Leslie Frazier "taking a year off from coaching" per Bills PR

[appoo]

I mean you guys are giving Frazier way too much blame and not nearly enough to Brandon Beane. No one forced the Bills to be in the loaded  QB conference with an entire secondary of sub 4.5-4.6 players, and have exactly one drafted plus DE over the last 5 years in Groot. 
 

Ftazier can only the personnel he’s given and that personell grouping was hugely flawed and Frazier probably had them playing above their athletic talent levels for vast majority of the last 3 years.

 

Like the lack of pro bowl nods isn’t necessarily a lack of respect. It’s also an acknowledgment of the level of physical talent this team has on defense.  
 

So I guess be careful for what you wish for, because you might just get it

[dollars 2 donuts]

29 minutes ago, BRH said:

Little late to make this decision.... who's left?  Can we offer Anarumo associate head coach and kill two birds with one stone?

 

 

When Schwartz got signed awhile back I was initially in "aww shucks" mode.

 

...I am back in aww shucks mode right now.

 

 

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, Governor said:

Choice is clear for McD. Change the defense and scheme or be gone.

 

Its nice to see the process start.

I’m sure they will take your advice under consideration now go make me a burger

[papazoid]

i bet he was standing 15 yards back when they told him 

 

this is code for....we waited to see if we could get those comp picks

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

You know the yellow line isn’t always accurate, right? 😉

Hey, I’m trying to work with you guys here 🤓

1 minute ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

When Schwartz got signed awhile back I was initially in "aww shucks" mode.

 

...I am back in aww shucks mode right now.

 

 

I don’t think Jim Schwartz was ever an option His defense is just two different.

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, Governor said:

Choice is clear for McD. Change the defense and scheme or be gone.

 

Its nice to see the process start.

 

Scheme doesn't need to change, simply the way they call it in big games in the playoffs.  

[Brand J]

1 minute ago, appoo said:

I mean you guys are giving Frazier way too much blame and not nearly enough to Brandon Beane. No one forced the Bills to be in the loaded  QB conference with an entire secondary of sub 4.5-4.6 players, and have exactly one drafted plus DE over the last 5 years in Groot. 
 

Ftazier can only the personnel he’s given and that personell grouping was hugely flawed and Frazier probably had them playing above their athletic talent levels for vast majority of the last 3 years.

 

Like the lack of pro bowl nods isn’t necessarily a lack of respect. It’s also an acknowledgment of the level of physical talent this team has on defense.  
 

So I guess be careful for what you wish for, because you might just get it

Funny. Though I think Beane is at fault for some of his defensive draft choices, I think you’re giving Frazier too much credit. It’s his job to coach up and maximize the players’ talents. I see none of that in Buffalo, only the same stale cover 2 plug and play scheme he rolls out each game.

[RichRiderBills]

12 minutes ago, Chaos said:

This team is broken.  Its fixable. But it is broken right now. 

 

You are getting some shade, but I think when you factor we need a MLB and a new strong safety , w head coach. Plus, seeing the issues we had after Von went down , you are not wrong. 

 

Lots of huge questions about how Tre bounces back, Von, the DTs DEs, yes...we are not good to go. We will need to make some moves and have a great off season. 

 

MLB should be the QB of the defense and we are headed into the league year without.

Edited February 28, 2023 by RichRiderBills

[Don Otreply]

16 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Well there you have your scapegoat now everybody can relax a little bit

Leslie doesn’t need you to defend him, he has been a good regular season DC, the record says as much, but come playoff time his scheme showed to be lacking, repeatedly, and as is the norm in the NFL, he was shown the door, in a gracious manor by his boss. 
 

 Maybe if we are fortunate, McDermott has seen the light and realizes that the  defense needs schematic help, and we all know Leslie was not going to make adjustments, he never has, so it is what it is, Leslie retires a rich man, with a fine reputation. All is good. 
 

GO BILLS!!!

[Not at the table Karlos]

4 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

Where do I get the reports on what teams are broken? Who gets the inside track and decides they are broken? Give me a break.

Where have you been for the last few years. There's been plenty of reports on it. What a tuel indeed. 

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

13-3...Widely considered a top 10 defense in the league in 2022 while missing Tre White, Von Miller, Micah Hyde, Jordan Phillips, for significant portions of the season. And people are acting like this is a historically bed defense while celebrating a respected coach taking a year off.

 

 

[Bruffalo]

3 minutes ago, appoo said:

I mean you guys are giving Frazier way too much blame and not nearly enough to Brandon Beane. No one forced the Bills to be in the loaded  QB conference with an entire secondary of sub 4.5-4.6 players, and have exactly one drafted plus DE over the last 5 years in Groot. 
 

Ftazier can only the personnel he’s given and that personell grouping was hugely flawed and Frazier probably had them playing above their athletic talent levels for vast majority of the last 3 years.

 

Like the lack of pro bowl nods isn’t necessarily a lack of respect. It’s also an acknowledgment of the level of physical talent this team has on defense.  
 

So I guess be careful for what you wish for, because you might just get it

Yeah, I heard Beane only drafts guys to stand back 10-12 yards when the other team needs 5.  

 

The DC wasn't putting his players in positions to be effective during critical downs. You can argue that the players are subpar, but they were basically put in situations that were doomed from the get go. 

[dollars 2 donuts]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Hey, I’m trying to work with you guys here 🤓

I don’t think Jim Schwartz was ever an option His defense is just two different.

 

 

 

JR, I honestly agree.  It's just someone I liked and wanted. 

 

 

[BuffaloBorn1960]

Edmunds is definitely gone now…..

[Not at the table Karlos]

6 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Do we add Steve Wilks or hire from within? 

I doubt he's leaving SF to come here. 

[PrimeTime101]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

Scheme doesn't need to change, simply the way they call it in big games in the playoffs.  

this depends on who they get... If they find a way to bring a well named DC in the house then its his defense... Not McD.    Will McD have his voice in things yes! but unless its another first or second year student? EXPECT changes....

[papazoid]

the talent was there.....

 

he coached passive and predictable....a deadly combination

[LABILLBACKER]

32 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

They’ll promote someone internally and it’ll be the same bend but don’t break, vanilla defense.

 

This is McDermott’s defense, he just needs a straw man to run it.

 

I’m not being defeatist, that’s just what it is.

You're not being a defeatist...you're being a realist.

[Patrick Duffy]

Wow! This is a bit of a surprise. I hope it's not any kind of health issue etc.....however I'm excited to move forward in a different direction regarding the defense and DC.

 

I do wish him well and thankful for the certain things he was able to accomplish, but in any event I felt it was time to move on

 

[Billsflyer12]

13 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Chad Hall wants to be an OC and didn’t see a path towards that here. I’m not too worried about that one.

What’s the quicker path to OC, Dorsey being fired or Super Bowl winning OC/Head Coach Doug Pederson being fired?  This wasn’t about a quicker path to OC.

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

13-3...Widely considered a top 10 defense in the league in 2022 while missing Tre White, Von Miller, Micah Hyde, Jordan Phillips, for significant portions of the season. And people are acting like this is a historically bed defense while celebrating a respected coach taking a year off.

 

 

I don’t think he’s coming back. I honestly believe this is the bills being classy

[Back2Buff]

Something I wanted McDermott to do this year, and looks like that may be the case, he needs to be calling the defense and taking more control.

 

I want to see how a McDermott defense looks, not a Franzier's. 

[The Jokeman]

Just now, Not at the table Karlos said:

I doubt he's leaving SF to come here. 

Ah I missed they hired him. Guess it got lost in the shuffle. 

[dancing_joker]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

Explain please

About Bieniemy or Frazier? I guess I’ll go both. Reid stood in front of all the owners at a meeting asking why hasn’t he been given a shot at being a head coach. And made it known that Bieniemy wasn’t retained in the hopes that he could spread his wings to one day become one. 
 

Now you have Frazier…who decides he’s going to “take a year off” and return in 2024. The bills have already hired other coaches to fulfill his duties. Is the plan for the bills to just “get by” while Frazier is out doing whatever? Sounds like a real Super Bowl contending team. If health issues caused him to step aside, that’s a serious gaffe by the bills pr team. But hey they thought Matt Azaria’s problems were okay before that leaked too. Think about the memo that Kim Pegula wrote a couple years ago about needing to maintain their “lifestyle” and fired a bunch of people…why do I need to pay Leslie Frazier a million plus dollars if I already have people in place that are capable? The whole thing is a joke.

[buffaloboyinATL]

It is either a health concern, (I hope not) or he is trying to get out from under McDermott's shadow, like Bienemy did with Andy Reid.  Time will tell, but I hope he is OK. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

6 minutes ago, appoo said:

I mean you guys are giving Frazier way too much blame and not nearly enough to Brandon Beane. No one forced the Bills to be in the loaded  QB conference with an entire secondary of sub 4.5-4.6 players, and have exactly one drafted plus DE over the last 5 years in Groot. 
 

Ftazier can only the personnel he’s given and that personell grouping was hugely flawed and Frazier probably had them playing above their athletic talent levels for vast majority of the last 3 years.

 

Like the lack of pro bowl nods isn’t necessarily a lack of respect. It’s also an acknowledgment of the level of physical talent this team has on defense.  
 

So I guess be careful for what you wish for, because you might just get it

 

The entire unit had injuries like all year.  It's hard to say what was or wasn't built by beane with the amount of injuries. 

 

Obviously Miller and Jones missed the 2nd playoff game.  Damar Hamlin.  Hyde missed most of the year.  Poyer was injured basically the entire season.  Phillips missed time with hamstring/shoulder and was generally banged up.  Groot missed time.  Oliver missed time.  Epenesa missed a game.  Basham missed a game.  Settle missed time.  Eli Ankou was on IR.  Edmunds and Milano missed time.  White missed camp and half the season.  Benford missed time.  Elam missed time.  Jackson missed time. 

 

Edited February 28, 2023 by Bleeding Bills Blue

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBorn1960 said:

Edmunds is definitely gone now…..

So that’s an interesting insert into the conversation just how much of the way they played Edmonds had to do with Fraser. That will be an interesting answer over the next month or so.

[PrimeTime101]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

I don’t think he’s coming back. I honestly believe this is the bills being classy

yep... and people say "we have been a top 10 defense under him"  LOOK AT ALL THE TALENT HE HAD TO WORK WITH!

 

we should be a top 10 D

[Patrick Duffy]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

I don’t think he’s coming back. I honestly believe this is the bills being classy

This is the impression I kinda get also 

[RichRiderBills]

2 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

Funny. Though I think Beane is at fault for some of his defensive draft choices, I think you’re giving Frazier too much credit. It’s his job to coach up and maximize the players’ talents. I see none of that in Buffalo, only the same stale cover 2 plug and play scheme he rolls out each game.

My big problems with the D are scheme specific. Soft loose coverage bad coverage sets in critical situations.

 

That and generic problems that eschew of not practicing fundamentals enough; tackling high, poor form tackling, loss of gap integrity. 

 

I don't know what the hell fully happened vs Bengals at the LOS though. 

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, dancing_joker said:

About Bieniemy or Frazier? I guess I’ll go both. Reid stood in front of all the owners at a meeting asking why hasn’t he been given a shot at being a head coach. And made it known that Bieniemy wasn’t retained in the hopes that he could spread his wings to one day become one. 
 

Now you have Frazier…who decides he’s going to “take a year off” and return in 2024. The bills have already hired other coaches to fulfill his duties. Is the plan for the bills to just “get by” while Frazier is out doing whatever? Sounds like a real Super Bowl contending team. If health issues caused him to step aside, that’s a serious gaffe by the bills pr team. But hey they thought Matt Azaria’s problems were okay before that leaked too. Think about the memo that Kim Pegula wrote a couple years ago about needing to maintain their “lifestyle” and fired a bunch of people…why do I need to pay Leslie Frazier a million plus dollars if I already have people in place that are capable? The whole thing is a joke.

What a word salad now I wish I wouldn’t of asked
 

I bet you’re a conspiracy guy aren’t you?

[Bob Jones]

33 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

There’s a ton of replacement candidates here on TBD. 

And those ton of replacements could have certainly done a better job for the 13 second debacle last year. 😉 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

13-3...Widely considered a top 10 defense in the league in 2022 while missing Tre White, Von Miller, Micah Hyde, Jordan Phillips, for significant portions of the season. And people are acting like this is a historically bed defense while celebrating a respected coach taking a year off.

 

 

I think you’re missing the sentiment here. Yes, everyone has been thrilled with the recent success. But…there comes a time when even the most devoted fans say “been there, done that”. The drought ended over half a decade ago now. It’s time to get to the next level, and going into 2023 with nothing more than more of the same is a bit too little for many fans to look forward to. It’s not personal. The Team simply has to take another step forward. 

[Patrick Duffy]

1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said:

yep... and people say "we have been a top 10 defense under him"  LOOK AT ALL THE TALENT HE HAD TO WORK WITH!

 

we should be a top 10 D

Yeah  but we didn't have a top defense when it matters most in the post season

[Billz4ever]

2 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Leslie doesn’t need you to defend him, he has been a good regular season DC, the record says as much, but come playoff time his scheme showed to be lacking, repeatedly, and as is the norm in the NFL, he was shown the door, in a gracious manor by his boss. 
 

 Maybe if we are fortunate, McDermott has seen the light and realizes that the  defense needs schematic help, and we all know Leslie was not going to make adjustments, he never has, so it is what it is, Leslie retires a rich man, with a fine reputation. All is good. 
 

GO BILLS!!!

 

This defense, which is McD's, depends on getting pressure with the front 4.  When that doesn't happen, you get the results we got against good teams.  The scheming isn't going to change as long as McD is here.  Unless they can generate a better pass rush with the front 4, I don't see much changing. Maybe a little more aggressive play calling, but that's only going to go so far.

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, Bob Jones said:

And those ton of replacements could have certainly done a better job for the 13 second debacle last year. 😉 

13 second debacle last year when was that

[4th&long]

If anybody thinks this is anything other than a polite way of not renewing his contract I have some land for sale in Florida. 
 

they hire a new DC he is not coming back. 

[Brand J]

4 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

Yeah, I heard Beane only drafts guys to stand back 10-12 yards when the other team needs 5.  

 

The DC wasn't putting his players in positions to be effective during critical downs. You can argue that the players are subpar, but they were basically put in situations that were doomed from the get go. 

And that’s why 13 seconds was a microcosm of Frazier’s playoff woes. You can argue the defensive talent all you want, but when the talent isn’t put in position to be successful - like 13 seconds - you have a schematic issue.

[blacklabel]

I think it was time for a change. Nothing against the guy, he has put together some great defenses, almost every year finishing in the top five. It's just when the pressure has been on in the big moments it feels like he hasn't gotten it done, I guess. 

 

Wish him all the best. Might be better to get a fresh perspective in there, even though it'll likely be an internal candidate replacing him, someone else at the helm might produce different results. 

 

I wonder if McDermott just doesn't take over defensive play calling for this season if they really do expect Frazier back in 2024. I mean I know it happens in other fields where someone might need a long period of time away and someone else is promoted to fill in only to revert back to their previous job once the original person returns. But I dunno if that works in the NFL. What if the replacement does a better job, ya know? Just kind of an interesting situation. 

[Bills Juggernaut]

Wasn’t there rumors last year the Daboll was going to leave the Bills last year even if he didn’t get a head coaching job? Something about butting heads with McDermott? And now a season later our DC, after basically all the coaching changes and coordinators positions have been filled, decides to ‘take a year off’? 
Odd. Very odd.