How bad were the Bills receivers this year? Hint really really bad

[78thealltimegreat]

Our friend Tim Graham over at the Athletic broke down just had ridiculously bad the Bills receiving corps was this year 

 

[starrymessenger]

15 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Our friend Tim Graham over at the Athletic broke down just had ridiculously bad the Bills receiving corps was this year 

 

So lets draft a safety # 1.

[NoSaint]

And that’s what they got their hands on. Now do bad routes, bad reads, etc…

[Kiva]

Keep Diggs.  Replace everyone else. 

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, starrymessenger said:

So lets draft a safety # 1.

 

... or a DE, we haven't drafted many of those on Beane's watch.  

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Kiva said:

Keep Diggs.  Replace everyone else. 

Yes, I’m sure that’s the answer
 

No, it isn’t

[Mark Vader]

So, Josh Allen is not the problem?

 

Did everyone hear that?

[london_bills]

2 hours ago, Kiva said:

Keep Diggs.  Replace everyone else. 

Draft a WR round 1. OT second RD.

[BillsFanForever19]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

Yes, I’m sure that’s the answer
 

No, it isn’t

 

I mean - not completely. But in a way, yes. 

 

After all, we only have Diggs, Davis, Shakir, and McKenzie under contract. And McKenzie will most likely be a cap casualty. That leaves only 3 WR's on the roster.

 

Diggs is #1. End of story. Don't replace Davis in the sense of getting rid of him. But he should at least be sharing reps with a more reliable WR, if not moved down the depth chart in favor of one completely. 

 

That leaves just Khalil Shakir. He showed some real promise as a Rookie and hopefully will continue to grow as McKenzie's replacement in the slot.

Edited February 26, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[LABILLBACKER]

32 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

So, Josh Allen is not the problem?

 

Did everyone hear that?

He never was the problem.  The problem is Dorsey. The problem is stone hands receivers like Gabe. The problem is scrub olineman like Brown & Q getting Josh's arm torn off.  Josh haters are so adorably stupid.

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I mean - not completely. But in a way, yes. 

 

After all, we only have Diggs, Davis, Shakir, and McKenzie under contract. And McKenzie will most likely be a cap casualty. 

 

Diggs is #1. End of story. Don't replace Davis in the sense of getting rid of him. But he should at least be sharing reps with a more reliable WR, if not moved down the depth chart in favor of said more reliable WR completely.

Yeah, the McKenzie thing is going to take care of itself
 

i still say shakur has the number one slot ability

 

Just bring in a reliable vet to battle Gabe Davis for the number two spot, and we will immediately be better

 

In order to make the overall team better improve the line

[LABILLBACKER]

1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I mean - not completely. But in a way, yes. 

 

After all, we only have Diggs, Davis, Shakir, and McKenzie under contract. And McKenzie will most likely be a cap casualty. 

 

Diggs is #1. End of story. Don't replace Davis in the sense of getting rid of him. But he should at least be sharing reps with a more reliable WR, if not moved down the depth chart in favor of said more reliable WR completely.

I don't see Davis ever getting WR2 targets again. We'll draft or sign at least 2 wrs who will surpass him. Along with Shakir absorbing his targets too.

[John from Riverside]

15 minutes ago, london_bills said:

Draft a WR round 1. OT second RD.

If Bijan Robinson is there in the first you have to take him we’re talking Saquon Barkley type ability
 

Lineman in the top two pics and another one by pick four

1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I don't see Davis ever getting WR2 targets again. We'll draft or sign at least 2 wrs who will surpass him. Along with Shakir absorbing his targets too.

I personally think they Gabe Davis is going to be better next year if you know other reason he’s in a contract year

[LABILLBACKER]

15 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

If Bijan Robinson is there in the first you have to take him we’re talking Saquon Barkley type ability
 

Lineman in the top two pics and another one by pick four

I personally think they Gabe Davis is going to be better next year if you know other reason he’s in a contract year

I doubt he flips a switch for his contract year. He's a career 54% catch rate guy who is inconsistent with focus lapses.  9 drops and a 51% rate this year are god awful numbers.  That 4 td KC game was a complete  outlier.  I honestly think the organization is going to slide him into a wr3 role and his targets will reflect that. We'll have to find our wr2 somewhere else.

Edited February 26, 2023 by LABILLBACKER

[newcam2012]

28 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I mean - not completely. But in a way, yes. 

 

After all, we only have Diggs, Davis, Shakir, and McKenzie under contract. And McKenzie will most likely be a cap casualty. That leaves only 3 WR's on the roster.

 

Diggs is #1. End of story. Don't replace Davis in the sense of getting rid of him. But he should at least be sharing reps with a more reliable WR, if not moved down the depth chart in favor of one completely. 

 

That leaves just Khalil Shakir. He showed some real promise as a Rookie and hopefully will continue to grow as McKenzie's replacement in the slot.

Trade Davis and get some draft picks. The guy had 93 targets and caught 48 of them. He was pretty bad last year. The eye ball test is all you really need here. Obviously, the Bills need better from their #2WR. 

 

Next year Davis is going to want to get paid. Some team will pay him. The Bills shouldn't. 

[LABILLBACKER]

3 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Trade Davis and get some draft picks. The guy had 93 targets and caught 48 of them. He was pretty bad last year. The eye ball test is all you really need here. Obviously, the Bills need better from their #2WR. 

 

Next year Davis is going to want to get paid. Some team will pay him. The Bills shouldn't. 

I see Davis and Oliver very similar.  Capable of a big game here & there but no consistency at all. Love to trade both but would teams give you much?  Probably not what our FO would expect. 

[John from Riverside]

17 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I see Davis and Oliver very similar.  Capable of a big game here & there but no consistency at all. Love to trade both but would teams give you much?  Probably not what our FO would expect. 

I would actually trade Oliver over Davis because he would get more
 

Over $10 million in cap space

Probably at least the third round pick or a second and a fifth

 

They’re not trading both

 

Trade Oliver bring in a veteran, solid, three tech and draft one

 

Use that $10 million in cap space on the office of line

Edited February 26, 2023 by John from Riverside

[newcam2012]

35 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I see Davis and Oliver very similar.  Capable of a big game here & there but no consistency at all. Love to trade both but would teams give you much?  Probably not what our FO would expect. 

Agree. I'm thinking Oliver has some decent trade value. He was a top ten pick and has decent production. I'm sure a team would think they can get more out of him than the Bills. 

 

Davis I'm not really sure about. His numbers do fall into many WR #2 on other teams. The numbers aren't the whole story with Gabe. I can't help but think how good Davis would be on a Andy Reid offense or even the Jags. 

 

I guess you have to ask what's the value of both guys on the team and what's the return. 

 

Oliver would certainly create a hole that needs to be filled. Honestly, I'm at the point where I'm ok with it. Same with Edmunds. This D doesn't so up in the playoffs so why bother. Both Edmunds and Oliver did nothing in that Cinci game. Fraizer should be gone but that's another topic. 

 

I'd get rid of them get some something and allocate that money to the offense. 

 

Davis is a pretty poor number two receiver. If they Bills can land a legit reliable number 2 then Davis probably can be more effective as a secondary weapon. 

 

There is a lot to ponder for Beane. It will be interesting to see what kind of angle of attack they have. Their moves will be crucial for the upcoming season. 

Edited February 26, 2023 by newcam2012

[LeGOATski]

Hence Chad Hall's exit stage right

[JaCrispy]

No way McD allows Beane to move Oliver in a trade- especially to allow for offense…

 

Now, prove me wrong McBeane…Hopefully this jinx helps…😉

[Malazan]

oh no, losing Chad Hall is such a blow..

[Inigo Montoya]

I agree, if they’re going to win a Super Bowl it will be on Josh Allen’s arm, not McDermott’s defense.

 

I think McBeane hoped Josh would be enough to get the job done on offense but he can’t do it alone.  They need to change their philosophy and go offense heavy and build an offense around Josh that will score 35 points a week and dare teams to keep up.

 

Elite offense, elite kicking game, above average special teams, and an average defense needs to be the script going forward.  They’ve got a lot of that in place already.

[Alphadawg7]

People realize there are more than 1 round per draft right? 

 

Why is everything always about the first round pick?  Especially when drafting late.  Most of the top 20 WR's in football were not taken in the first round, it is not the only place to find a WR.  

 

Let the board fall the way it falls, we have plenty of holes on this team to consider with our pick, take the BPA.  If its a WR, great...but it could also be an OL, RB, or even a defensive player if we suddenly have some big holes to fill.  

 

But to just say it must be a WR and then have to reach to get a WR at our pick would be a mistake.  Personally, I think it will more than likely be an offensive lineman the way I think the first round board falls that will be the BPA.  However, if Bijan does last to our pick, I have a hard time seeing anyone else that would still be on the board and be ranked higher than him.  

[First Round Bust]

9 hours ago, Kiva said:

Keep Diggs.  Replace everyone else. 

not sent cuz I hate Diggs, just the opposite, and just the facts from the Athletic article:

 

Diggs tied for the NFL lead in drops with nine, his most since Pro Football Focus began tracking them in 2019. Diggs’ drop percentage (6) ranked 22nd among wideouts with 25 catches, but it was his worst rate with Buffalo and more than twice as bad as in 2021, when he dropped just four passes, 2.5 percent of his targets.

Diggs, Davis and McKenzie each dropped a ball while losing to the Minnesota Vikings in Week 10.

[IndyMark]

5 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

No way McD allows Beane to move Oliver in a trade- especially to allow for offense…

 

Now, prove me wrong McBeane…Hopefully this jinx helps…😉

 

Admittedly, you had me with the first half.......well done.

I too hope your jinx helps.

[frostbitmic]

Hopefully the new Receivers coach can teach these guys how to catch the football.

 

I also hope someone on the defensive side of the ball can teach his players how to tackle.

[Don Otreply]

8 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

So, Josh Allen is not the problem?

 

Did everyone hear that?

Just a small part of it, And I am massively happy the Bills have him as our QB1 Dorseys poor play design. And scheming is making Josh’s job far more difficult than it needs to be, not to mention the drops…, 

Edited February 26, 2023 by Don Otreply

[Buffalo Boy]

9 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

... or a DE, we haven't drafted many of those on Beane's watch.  

RUNNING BACK🤔

[TampaBillsJunkie]

Hey., let's bring up Hodgins from the PS......    Ooops!

[Buffalo Boy]

7 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

He showed some real promise as a Rookie and hopefully will continue to grow as McKenzie's replacement in the slot.

Edited 7 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

   Shakir appears to have a natural hand catching ability and a fluid body.

   The sad thing is, I’m not sure if the coaches are pig headed about rookies or he’s just screwing up in practice too much. The kid has the second best hands of all our WRs and TEs to my eye.

[somnus00]

Let's trade up and draft a WR, then sit him on the bench so he can start in 2024.

[I'm Spartacus]

11 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

It takes a year to really get to know someone before he can be trusted to go out and play…

Just another head scratching philosophy of McDermott regarding rookie playing time. Our coaching staff is waaay to conservative in many facets of the game. Playing rookies is one of them.

[BuffaninSarasota]

16 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

It takes a year to really get to know someone before he can be trusted to go out and play…

Tell that to Andy Reid, he did not get the memo 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Robert Woods is out there. Shakir flashed when given a shot. You ca. trade for Hopkins. There are guys available that can help you right away. 

[Nextmanup]

11 hours ago, NoSaint said:

And that’s what they got their hands on. Now do bad routes, bad reads, etc…

Then add in the throws that never happen because Josh doesn't see a wide open receiver....

 

...now add in all the throws that never happen because Josh is running for his life....

 

And yet we may take a DT in the first round.

 

[PBF81]

7 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I would actually trade Oliver over Davis because he would get more
 

Over $10 million in cap space

Probably at least the third round pick or a second and a fifth

 

They’re not trading both

 

Trade Oliver bring in a veteran, solid, three tech and draft one

 

Use that $10 million in cap space on the offensive line

 

I wouldn't trade Davis.  He didn't have the massive drop issues until this season.  It may work its way out of his system.  It's worth another year of keeping him around for sure.  It's difficult to chuck that playoff performance against KC.  Getting rid of him now would be hasty.  If he hadn't had his drops he'd have easily been over 1,000 yards, maybe even 1,100 or 1,200.  I can see him shining.  Granted, his drops were of the WTF variety this season, but it's worth one more for relatively cheap for him.  He's just under $3M in cap and cost.  If he happens to shed the drops he'll be worth much more than that.  

 

Oliver on the other hand won't be worth what he gets, to start.  Otherwise, he's in steady-state mode, we know what he is.  He's a player that shows up every fourth or fift game and plays lights out, plays well in another few games, and then is invisible for a third to half his games.  He's shown the same thing now for four straight seasons.  It's difficult to game plan with a player like that, and not that we do any game-planning, but who knows who'll be coaching here after this season.  It's better to have an average player that plays similarly all season, every game, at least you know what you're getting when he's in there.  

 

 

[Simon Says]

8 hours ago, london_bills said:

Draft a WR round 1. OT second RD.

I'm OK with the WR @1....but isn't Guard more of a need than tackle?

[PBF81]

6 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

I think McBeane hoped Josh would be enough to get the job done on offense but he can’t do it alone.  They need to change their philosophy and go offense heavy and build an offense around Josh that will score 35 points a week and dare teams to keep up.  

 

I think that they've really been trying to put the other pieces in place without having to pay through the nose for them (Free Agency), but they've simply failed.  

 

The big problem is that Allen's taking twice (if not more) the wear-n-tear that he should be if he had A, a solid and regular OL to develop chemistry with, like Kelly did, and B, relatedly, a decent running game and a coaching staff that knew how to balance the offense like that.  McD clearly doesn't.  If they don't correct that, put yourself in Allen's shoes, he has the choice of more abuse as he gets into the meat of his prime after the '25 season, and risk cutting his career short, or he can cut himself loose and go to a well-coached team that has a solid OL.  As much as he may love Buffalo he may decide that he'd rather be in the shoes of other QBs that have more support and better coaching and a GM & scouting staff that know how to identify solid OL-men in the drafts.  It's a valid concern.  

 

[BillsFan2313]

4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

People realize there are more than 1 round per draft right? 

 

Why is everything always about the first round pick?  Especially when drafting late.  Most of the top 20 WR's in football were not taken in the first round, it is not the only place to find a WR.  

 

Let the board fall the way it falls, we have plenty of holes on this team to consider with our pick, take the BPA.  If its a WR, great...but it could also be an OL, RB, or even a defensive player if we suddenly have some big holes to fill.  

 

But to just say it must be a WR and then have to reach to get a WR at our pick would be a mistake.  Personally, I think it will more than likely be an offensive lineman the way I think the first round board falls that will be the BPA.  However, if Bijan does last to our pick, I have a hard time seeing anyone else that would still be on the board and be ranked higher than him.  

 

Yep. Diggs 5th rd, Hill 5th rd, Adams 2nd rd, Kupp 3rd rd, Jefferson 1st rd mid 20's to name a few. 

[newcam2012]

6 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

I agree, if they’re going to win a Super Bowl it will be on Josh Allen’s arm, not McDermott’s defense.

 

I think McBeane hoped Josh would be enough to get the job done on offense but he can’t do it alone.  They need to change their philosophy and go offense heavy and build an offense around Josh that will score 35 points a week and dare teams to keep up.

 

Elite offense, elite kicking game, above average special teams, and an average defense needs to be the script going forward.  They’ve got a lot of that in place already.

Bingo! Frustrating because Beane and McD haven't given Allen proper protection and weapons. Wasting precious opportunities. Meanwhile, the division foes have closed the gap as well as other teams.