qwksilver Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said: He went to a team that has 2 starting linebackers already and a top reserve. He’s going there to compete for a backup role. That leads me to believe we were not in on him. I understand we weren't in on him. I just don't understand our game plan for our biggest hole on the this team. There's not much left. We can't go into the season as we stand now. Are we really going with a rookie? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, qwksilver said: I understand we weren't in on him. I just don't understand our game plan for our biggest hole on the this team. There's not much left. We can't go into the season as we stand now. Are we really going with a rookie? Teams are probably waiting for Wagner to chose his team and sign. His contract will show where the market is and then we will see some lower priced deals done. Still some good options out there. Walker will likely re-sign with the Browns. Doesn’t seem to be much happening with anyone else on the list right now: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/inside-linebacker/all/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 12 minutes ago, qwksilver said: I understand we weren't in on him. I just don't understand our game plan for our biggest hole on the this team. There's not much left. We can't go into the season as we stand now. Are we really going with a rookie? Reality is we need more than just one LB. Huge upgrade over a guy like Klein and the money was easy, could have even gone two years to get this year hit even lower. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 29 minutes ago, qwksilver said: I understand we weren't in on him. I just don't understand our game plan for our biggest hole on the this team. There's not much left. We can't go into the season as we stand now. Are we really going with a rookie? At this point I do. I think they are going to hit the reset button there. I like this linebacker class a lot and there are a couple of plug and play guys. If its not Wagner I think its going to be a rookie. I mentioned him a few times, but I really like Anthony Walker as a stopgap, raise the floor. Outside or Wagner and outside shot Walker, I think the next guy is going to be a rookie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOboy Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 There is still time and options. Not sure we’re locked on a LB in round one yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 39 minutes ago, ngbills said: No idea what we are doing. This deal and even the David and Long deals are ones we should have been in on. Wagner is the obvious pick up. And you'd think with FA time going by his value would go down. Come on Mr Wizard...do your sh!#. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrPJax Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 56 minutes ago, qwksilver said: I understand we weren't in on him. I just don't understand our game plan for our biggest hole on the this team. There's not much left. We can't go into the season as we stand now. Are we really going with a rookie? Didn’t we do that with edmunds? Wagner cant cover if they plan on same D. Draft looking more likely, Dodson isn’t bad, plus we have last years 3 rd round pick as well with experience,,,,,not playing experience but those mental reps are part of the process! Besides, this is the year of the O everybody called for since the CINCY loss! PO is back and confident , feels great which is good to hear. He and Hyde will be there unlike last year when both could be considered in all practicality, missing in action due to injury. With them back , no matter who is inserted , the d will be better than last year , or at worst pretty equivalent. If they could somehow luck into Jack Campbell , was listening to kirwin on Sirius , and he believes he is great athlete , plug and play and will be a starting iLB/MLB for a team like the bills this year. There is also the 2nd ratedLB in the draft , name escaping me , but the film room guys from cover one are very high on him so no need to panic. The board , podcasts, all requesting o line, another receiver, and weapons for ALLEN, so it’s going according to form so far…... It’s just early FA time, sit back and chill till preseason. Still haven’t even hit trade deadline, so this is the time to relax as no pressure and nothing fans can do anyhow. ENJOY MARCH MADNESS, at least as good as any SB without the bills playing! 😁 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksilver Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, DrPJax said: Didn’t we do that with edmunds? That team had no expectations. Not the same if we want to go to the SB. Do we really want to spend a 1st 2nd or 3rd on a ILB? We have other needs. Thank goodness for March Madness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 1 hour ago, ngbills said: No idea what we are doing. This deal and even the David and Long deals are ones we should have been in on. 1 hour ago, qwksilver said: I understand we weren't in on him. I just don't understand our game plan for our biggest hole on the this team. There's not much left. We can't go into the season as we stand now. Are we really going with a rookie? Just read Tranquil scored around 75 in coverage over the last 2 seasons. Those are very good numbers. Maybe they think Campbell is the option if Wagner doesn't sign? Everybody else worth a damn is gone. I just know I'm not starting my season with Dodson, Bernard or Spector at ILB. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 1 hour ago, BarleyNY said: Teams are probably waiting for Wagner to chose his team and sign. His contract will show where the market is and then we will see some lower priced deals done. Still some good options out there. Walker will likely re-sign with the Browns. Doesn’t seem to be much happening with anyone else on the list right now: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/inside-linebacker/all/ Whom do you like on that list ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 1 hour ago, ngbills said: No idea what we are doing. This deal and even the David and Long deals are ones we should have been in on. Why do people keep making this point? It’s likely they were indeed “in on” them. Players opt to sign elsewhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakAttack Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 It certainly is strange. Even if we were gung-Ho on Terrell Bernard, how do you not at LEAST bring in a vet to compete for the starting job? The guy is a complete unknown right now. What is going on? Same thing with spending a draft pick on a MLB, it’s still an unproven rookie. Where is the vet signing!?? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said: At this point I do. I think they are going to hit the reset button there. I like this linebacker class a lot and there are a couple of plug and play guys. If its not Wagner I think its going to be a rookie. I mentioned him a few times, but I really like Anthony Walker as a stopgap, raise the floor. Outside or Wagner and outside shot Walker, I think the next guy is going to be a rookie. Not very excited to have a rookie calling plays. Edmunds did it , I know. But not sure I was happy about it back then either. Probably had Hyde calling down corrections Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksilver Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: Not very excited to have a rookie calling plays. Edmunds did it , I know. But not sure I was happy about it back then either. Probably had Hyde calling down corrections Plus we didn't have SB aspirations when he was a starting rookie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 Just now, qwksilver said: Plus we didn't have SB aspirations when he was a starting rookie. I have said they are going to have to tweak the defense regardless because of Edmunds leaving. Which is fine by me Those that mention Campbell in the draft ? Thats fine with me but many of our more in tune minds here suggest he is not a good fit if Bills were to run back the same Defense. Drue Tranquil was a miss imho at that price and seems if they have interest in Wagner at all , they are waiting out the market and trying to leverage. Not always the best method to get a player on board. starting to feel like they are fine with drafting one 🙄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 10 minutes ago, Airseven said: Why do people keep making this point? It’s likely they were indeed “in on” them. Players opt to sign elsewhere. Problem is the contract #'s are coming on low. So if we are offering less then we didn't really want. If we offered same or more why do players not want to come here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, ngbills said: Problem is the contract #'s are coming on low. So if we are offering less then we didn't really want. If we offered same or more why do players not want to come here? Or we are offering their correct value because they are assessed as backups, and we arent paying high Free Agent money for a backup to start and under-perform for us. Our own draft picks can under-perform for us at a much cheaper cost. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakAttack Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 19 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: Not very excited to have a rookie calling plays. Edmunds did it , I know. But not sure I was happy about it back then either. Probably had Hyde calling down corrections for reasons like these I keep thinking we HAVE to still be planning a vet signing at LB, but the market is just Bobby Wagner now and that seems like a long shot? IS there anyone else? Myles Jack? Heck I’d honestly take that gladly at this point too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 1 minute ago, BobBelcher said: for reasons like these I keep thinking we HAVE to still be planning a vet signing at LB, but the market is just Bobby Wagner now and that seems like a long shot? IS there anyone else? Myles Jack? Heck I’d honestly take that gladly at this point too I dont know what they are thinking at this point. But i am getting a tad stressed LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 1 hour ago, DrPJax said: Didn’t we do that with edmunds? Wagner cant cover if they plan on same D. In 2020, when they've had Klein playing for Milano while he was on IR (big drop-off in coverage), I seem to recall Frazier explaining that they re-worked roles and responsibilities rather than taking a "next man up" philosophy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 2 hours ago, qwksilver said: That team had no expectations. Not the same if we want to go to the SB. Do we really want to spend a 1st 2nd or 3rd on a ILB? We have other needs. Thank goodness for March Madness. The chief won a SB with key contributions from their rookies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 A Pegula plane sighting . It’s on boys !!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark92 Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 Lots of rumors floating around about OBJ and Wagner on Twitter. Probably nothing to it but it peak FA season when the plane starts being tracked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 16 minutes ago, DJB said: A Pegula plane sighting . It’s on boys !!!! King Henry and Bobby Wags would set the league ablaze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 10 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: King Henry and Bobby Wags would set the league ablaze The Pegula's own a Record Label in Nashville. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 It’s in California to pick up Jessie after Indian Wells and fly her to the next tournament in Miami. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 (edited) I have not seen rumors on the internet connecting the Bills to Wagner. Any rumors about this from supposed legitimate sources or sites? Edited March 18, 2023 by jahnyc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 18 hours ago, 3rdand12 said: Whom do you like on that list ? Great question. I can only give a limited answer though as I don’t know all of the players on it. Wagner is obviously the best of the lot, probably by a wide margin. Walker is a good player and should be cheap. He is wanted back in Cleveland, but that’s not a done deal. I’d take him here. Myles Jack seems to be a solid LB who keeps getting overpaid and then cut. He’d be fine at the right price. The knee issues he had when drafted should be looked at as they were expected to end his career early. Jones is interesting. I honestly do not know what happened there. Second round pick in Atlanta who played very well early on, got paid after year 3 and then mid-season (his 6th) got traded to Cleveland for nothing. Atlanta even ate almost his whole salary. He was a very good LB, but I don’t know if he still is. And I don’t know why they dumped him. Perryman should be a solid starter too. That’s it for me. I don't know annything about the others. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 12 hours ago, jahnyc said: I have not seen rumors on the internet connecting the Bills to Wagner. Any rumors about this from supposed legitimate sources or sites? No rumors means there's still a chance we sign him. Beane doesn't allow leaks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, FrenchConnection said: It’s in California to pick up Jessie after Indian Wells and fly her to the next tournament in Miami. For those not familiar with the area, Van Nuys is about 150 miles from Indian Wells. Maybe they came for some corned beef and cabbage. Edited March 19, 2023 by SoCal Deek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 14 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: The Pegula's own a Record Label in Nashville. This looks like it might be end of the Shout song. Just connect the dots. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hit Man #47 Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 Wagner was still good against the run… but a liability in pass coverage… Yes, Wagner’s presence in the middle of the defense helped fortify the Rams run defense into one of the top units in the league in that regard. Though similar to his time with the Seattle Seahawks, LA gave up a high volume of pass completions in the short, middle area of the field where Wagner and second-year linebacker Ernest Jones were in coverage. The veteran linebacker is not the same player that he was in his prime, but that’s understandable for someone who is 32 - and the Rams didn’t sign Wagner last offseason with the expectation they were getting the best football of his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 1 hour ago, without a drought said: This looks like it might be end of the Shout song. Just connect the dots. Due to the events of last season, the team should produce a video of it over the “talking proud” song Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 OMG no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 (edited) This explains the lack of free agents. The plane has been too busy due to trhe tennis tournaments. Edited March 19, 2023 by ngbills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 (edited) “The Pegula's own a Record Label in Nashville.” So you’re saying they can be had for a song? I like it. Edited March 19, 2023 by Dat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted March 19, 2023 Author Share Posted March 19, 2023 2 hours ago, Hit Man #47 said: Wagner was still good against the run… but a liability in pass coverage… Yes, Wagner’s presence in the middle of the defense helped fortify the Rams run defense into one of the top units in the league in that regard. Though similar to his time with the Seattle Seahawks, LA gave up a high volume of pass completions in the short, middle area of the field where Wagner and second-year linebacker Ernest Jones were in coverage. The veteran linebacker is not the same player that he was in his prime, but that’s understandable for someone who is 32 - and the Rams didn’t sign Wagner last offseason with the expectation they were getting the best football of his career. He was the #1 graded inside linebacker by PFF last season, so I’d say he wasn’t exactly a liability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 17 hours ago, DJB said: A Pegula plane sighting . It’s on boys !!!! That’s kinda creepy. Why is stalking people allowed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: That’s kinda creepy. Why is stalking people allowed? You say it like it’s a bad thing… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hit Man #47 Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 Rigotz Community Member 1.1k Author Posted 3 hours ago 5 hours ago, Hit Man #47 said: Wagner was still good against the run… but a liability in pass coverage… Yes, Wagner’s presence in the middle of the defense helped fortify the Rams run defense into one of the top units in the league in that regard. Though similar to his time with the Seattle Seahawks, LA gave up a high volume of pass completions in the short, middle area of the field where Wagner and second-year linebacker Ernest Jones were in coverage. The veteran linebacker is not the same player that he was in his prime, but that’s understandable for someone who is 32 - and the Rams didn’t sign Wagner last offseason with the expectation they were getting the best football of his career. He was the #1 graded inside linebacker by PFF last season, so I’d say he wasn’t exactly a liability. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ from SB Nation/LA Rams- gleaned from Your PFF reference- While Wagner led the best rushing defense the Rams have put on the field in recent memory, he also struggled in pass coverage and that’s just not something you can stomach in the modern NFL. According to Pro Football Focus (PFF) data, the veteran was targeted in coverage 48 times during his first (and seemingly only) season in LA - allowing 37 catches and a 77% completion percentage. Receivers in Wagner’s coverage accumulated 420 yards and a touchdown, while he forced two interceptions. Opposing quarterbacks tallied a quarterback passer rating of 92.4 when targeting Wagner in coverage. So yes, Wagner is still an elite run defender and his PFF rushing defense grade of 90.1 backs that up; however, the aforementioned target data and his pass coverage grade of 76.1 show his coverage skills are in decline - and that’s a major reason why Pete Carroll and the Seattle Seahawks decided to move on from the linebacker a year ago. _______________________________________________________________________________ Wagner was a Liability in pass coverage last year - Imagine what the Pass Heavy AFC QB's will do to him- Just Sayin .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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