RocCityRoller Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 Just happy Buffalo is not in this mess. The Mahomes and Allen contracts are going to look like theft in a couple of years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) Let him walk and draft a young QB. He is starting to get injury prone. Edited February 27, 2023 by Nitro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 8 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said: Just happy Buffalo is not in this mess. The Mahomes and Allen contracts are going to look like theft in a couple of years. They already are! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 On 2/23/2023 at 4:28 PM, The Wiz said: I hope it's not the jets. Even a best up Lamar is better than what they had last year and the rest of their team is pretty solid top to bottom. A better than average QB would make them better. As far as the cap hell, yes I agree. Jets would lose some of that roster to fit Lamar. They are 1mil in the hole without him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 i would franchise Lamar if deal can not be worked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) Insane athlete. NFL arm strength. Outside of that, he's not even in my top 10. He can't be. Any QB that is dependent on running can't be in your top 10. It will get taken away when it matters and for most, you will miss significant time. If Lamar never had his rookie year when nobody knew how to defend him, then he wouldn't be seeing much more than average starter money at best. Roman has made every mobile QB he has seen have an efficient looking passing line, but none of them could ever get it done when it mattered nor play in more QB focused systems. The NFL knows everything I'm saying. He will not see anywhere close to what he is demanding. He will never see a Super Bowl. Sign him and you put a ceiling over your team. It is that simple. Edited February 28, 2023 by KzooMike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 On 2/23/2023 at 5:07 PM, Airseven said: Every new contract for an upper echelon player will be negotiated to exceed the one that came before it. Kyler Murray provided the template to hold one's team hostage. These guys have no reason not to ask for the moon. Murray also proved why you don’t give in. I think the Ravens backup was adequate. If the Ravens can get a first for him, then grab RB Robinson and a WR that offense will be above average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behindenemylines Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 But in a way don’t you just WANT them to go full Browns and cave, and then watch the total meltdown that happens. That’s entertainment WWE style! What would the talking heads say? Would they blame Lamar or the team management for failure? Daily watch of the injury report. Why does he only play 12 games a year for a gazillion dollars. SO MUCH FUN cause it ain’t us and I hate the fu$$ing Ravens get me some buttered popcorn and a coke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Scott7975 said: Jets would lose some of that roster to fit Lamar. They are 1mil in the hole without him. They would, but they have great player at rb1, wr1 and cb1 on rookie contracts for 5 years(4 more now). Those will keep them competitive even is they loss others. Also Q. Williams for another 2 on rookie deal when they use his 5th year option. Edited February 28, 2023 by The Wiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 13 hours ago, Eastport bills said: The problem is the skills required to extricate a team from a really bad QB contract(DeSean Jackson, Murray, Wilson) are not in the DNA of most GMs. How many GMs are ready to give up the draft capital to surround a Stafford with the personnel to get a SB and be bad for years to come? I think the idea of putting a team in purgatory because they make a decision out of desperation and destroy loyal fan bases who live and die with their fortunes is bad for the NFL. If QB contracts are partially separated from the cap it gives teams wiggle room and the owners can afford the extra overhead. The free market (under a socialist salary cap system ironically) will sort this out and you don't need to separate QB contracts from the cap. The more these QB contracts blow up in teams faces the less likely some franchises will be to shell out Kyler Murray type money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) Just a reminder that the Browns gave Watson a $230 Million guaranteed contract. It happened. Any QB who doesn’t ask for at least that afterwards is admitting he doesn’t bring as much to the table as a 25 time accused sexual assaulter. So Kyler Murray. Lamar thinks more of himself than Kyler Murray. Now that the XFL isn’t a tour de force and March Madness is too far away, the media wants to pick up old stories and refurbish them for content about Lamar. Edited February 28, 2023 by benderbender 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 13 minutes ago, benderbender said: Just a reminder that the Browns gave Watson a $230 Million guaranteed contract. It happened. Any QB who doesn’t ask for at least that afterwards is admitting he doesn’t bring as much to the table as a 25 time accused sexual assaulter. So Kyler Murray. Lamar thinks more of himself than Kyler Murray. Now that the XFL isn’t a tour de force and March Madness is too far away, the media wants to pick up old stories and refurbish them for content about Lamar. The Browns definitely screwed up the market (and hopefully themselves) by signing that serial abuser. I don't think you can possibly make that deal for Lamar though given the way he plays and the injury potential. It's a tough pill to swallow, but I think you have to let him walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 9 hours ago, Doc Brown said: The free market (under a socialist salary cap system ironically) will sort this out and you don't need to separate QB contracts from the cap. The more these QB contracts blow up in teams faces the less likely some franchises will be to shell out Kyler Murray type money. Unfortunately the perfect storm of the NFL being a QB driven league and the scarcity of high quality,SB capable QBs makes the pressure on ownership to overvalue marginal talent extremely high. That’s why agents know the Daniel Jones’s and Lamar Jackson’s of the world will be get Mahomes money by a desperate franchise one way or the other. With the protection of the hard cap, the only people that will suffer are the devoted fans who will be in purgatory for long periods of time.ie(Az, Cleveland, Dallas) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 On 2/23/2023 at 3:10 PM, SCBills said: Two things can be true. 1) He is twice the QB Watson is. 2) Baltimore should absolutely not give him the contract he is asking for. THREE things can be true. 1) He is twice the QB Watson is. 2) Baltimore should absolutely not give him the contract he is asking for. 3) I want that money so badly. Even some of it. Oh please, please, please, please, please, please. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 22 hours ago, Paup 1995MVP said: Lamar has had Mark Andrews. He is a beast that I would put in the top 5 TE's in the league. Andrews is a beast but he came into the nfl as rookie with Lamar after being drafted in the 3rd round. So apparently he wasn’t that much of a beast to nfl teams. Lamar deserves credit for soem of his success. Isiah’s likely stepped in when Andrews got hurt and also was successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Andrews is a beast but he came into the nfl as rookie with Lamar after being drafted in the 3rd round. So apparently he wasn’t that much of a beast to nfl teams. Lamar deserves credit for soem of his success. Isiah’s likely stepped in when Andrews got hurt and also was successful. Ugh Likely was on my short list of TEs to draft last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) Lamar deserves a contract bigger than Watson's. Lamar is a better QB, a more dynamic threat, was league MVP, and hasn't had off the field issues and suspensions. That, plus contracts always go up over time= give Lamar what Watson got, plus some % on top of that. I'm always going to be for the players getting paid. If Lamar had torn his knee RGIII style in the playoffs this year the Ravens would say "gosh that's awful" and pay him pennies on the dollar or cut him loose and he wouldn't see a fraction of the $$ he deserves. IF Lamar was a free agent, some team would give him what he wants, maybe more than 1. Why should he settle? Edited February 28, 2023 by TheFunPolice 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 24 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: Lamar deserves a contract bigger than Watson's. Lamar is a better QB, a more dynamic threat, was league MVP, and hasn't had off the field issues and suspensions. That, plus contracts always go up over time= give Lamar what Watson got, plus some % on top of that. I'm always going to be for the players getting paid. If Lamar had torn his knee RGIII style in the playoffs this year the Ravens would say "gosh that's awful" and pay him pennies on the dollar or cut him loose and he wouldn't see a fraction of the $$ he deserves. IF Lamar was a free agent, some team would give him what he wants, maybe more than 1. Why should he settle? The amount isnt the issue, it's the guaranteed amount that is the issue. And outside of Kirk Cousins and Deshaun Watson, no other top QB has ever been fully guaranteed. Not Rodgers, not Brady, not Mahomes, not Allen. So given those lists, it seems the fully guaranteed only happens by bad or desperate teams. Neither of which I would use to describe the Ravens. Good for Lamar to get every penny he can out of the NFL. But he is close to leaving money on the table, like LeVeon Bell, over "principles". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 It confuses me that Lamar, or anyone for that matter would turn down something to the tune of one hundred and thirty million dollars guaranteed, likely with other cash for performance incentives on top of that. What is all the more confusing is that his team is making this offer to a QB that has so obviously already peaked performance wise, and is apparently injury prone. I’m trying to assess why the parties involved would make and, then in turn refuse the offer, is it a cognitive issue? Or is it uncontrolled greed/arrogance? I’m thinking it is both, by both entities. I will say Its is nice as a Bills fan to see another team having to deal with this complete and utter nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Don Otreply said: It confuses me that Lamar, or anyone for that matter would turn down something to the tune of one hundred and thirty million dollars guaranteed, likely with other cash for performance incentives on top of that. What is all the more confusing is that his team is making this offer to a QB that has so obviously already peaked performance wise, and is apparently injury prone. I’m trying to assess why the parties involved would make and, then in turn refuse the offer, is it a cognitive issue? Or is it uncontrolled greed/arrogance? I’m thinking it is both, by both entities. I will say Its is nice as a Bills fan to see another team having to deal with this complete and utter nonsense. Lamar doesnt have an agent, and is handling ever aspect of this himself. He majored in Communications, and did not graduate. So not sure how suited he is to run this, or make decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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