Bill O’Brien - thoughts about him as OC?

[dave mcbride]

Creative former Patriots offensive coach for a very successful offense who also did a two-year stint at Alabama, where his offense was criticized for being ever-so-slightly underwhelming relative to the year before he arrived. Sound familiar? I doubt it will happen because I expect McDermott to give Dorsey a pass. But I am throwing it out there given the noise that the Pats may go after him and because I’ve been pretty underwhelmed by Dorsey despite the #2 ranking. As Joe B says in his Athletic article, the window ain’t gonna be open long and McDermott got rid of Dennison after one season.  If I’m O’Brien and were presented with the option, working with Josh Allen would be a far more attractive proposition than working with Mac Jones. (Also, small point: like Daboll, who has an engineering degree from the U of Rochester, O’Brien is presumably a book-smart guy given that he graduated from Brown.)

 

To reiterate, I strongly doubt this happens given McDermott’s history with assistants (excepting Dennison, who was actually terrible) and the excuse making that’s currently going on inside the organization regarding this season’s outcome.

Edited January 24, 2023 by dave mcbride

[CEN-CAL17]

Bill O’Brien is more qualified than Dorsey that’s a fact.

 

Dont see him leaving Alabama and coming here. Not the biggest fan but it would be an improvement.

[BarleyNY]

I see BOB in the same mold as coaches like Doug Marrone and Butch Davis. Very competent coaches that are constantly chasing the last dollar and more power so they can get more dollars. Chasing dollars definitely takes precedent over character or morality for that group. Really a very good coach but a mercenary and a watch-your-back guy to have in the organization. That’s my 2¢. 

[Wayne Cubed]

22 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Creative former Patriots offensive coach for a very successful offense who also did a two-year stint at Alabama, where his offense was criticized for being ever-so-slightly underwhelming relative to the year before he arrived. Sound familiar? I doubt it will happen because I expect McDermott to give Dorsey a pass. But I am throwing it out there given the noise that the Pats may go after him and because I’ve been pretty underwhelmed by Dorsey despite the #2 ranking. As Joe B says in his Athletic article, the window ain’t gonna be open long and McDermott got rid of Dennison after one season.  If I’m O’Brien and were presented with the option, working with Josh Allen would be a far more attractive proposition than working with Mac Jones. (Also, small point: like Daboll, who has an engineering degree from the U of Rochester, O’Brien is presumably a book-smart guy given that he graduated from Brown.)

 

To reiterate, I strongly doubt this happens given McDermott’s history with assistants (excepting Dennison, who was actually terrible) and the excuse making that’s currently going on inside the organization regarding this season’s outcome.

See i'm not sure, when he got rid of Dennison he used nearly the exact same line regarding his future with the team in the end of season press conference. Something along the lines of, he wasn't going to get in to it. Thought that was interesting.

[GolfandBills]

Just signed with Patriots 

[Wayne Cubed]

 

[PatsFanNH]

33 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Creative former Patriots offensive coach for a very successful offense who also did a two-year stint at Alabama, where his offense was criticized for being ever-so-slightly underwhelming relative to the year before he arrived. Sound familiar? I doubt it will happen because I expect McDermott to give Dorsey a pass. But I am throwing it out there given the noise that the Pats may go after him and because I’ve been pretty underwhelmed by Dorsey despite the #2 ranking. As Joe B says in his Athletic article, the window ain’t gonna be open long and McDermott got rid of Dennison after one season.  If I’m O’Brien and were presented with the option, working with Josh Allen would be a far more attractive proposition than working with Mac Jones. (Also, small point: like Daboll, who has an engineering degree from the U of Rochester, O’Brien is presumably a book-smart guy given that he graduated from Brown.)

 

To reiterate, I strongly doubt this happens given McDermott’s history with assistants (excepting Dennison, who was actually terrible) and the excuse making that’s currently going on inside the organization regarding this season’s outcome.

Not going to happen! Just been announced up here Bill O Brian is now the Pats OC.  Which makes me happy, means we will finally know what Jones is one way or the other.

[extrahammer]

This team doesn’t need a 2nd year OC. We need a very experienced and innovative OC. It’s foolish to wait until the end of the season to realize Hines should have been factored in the offense more. 

Edited January 24, 2023 by extrahammer

[dave mcbride]

Oh well.

[Wayne Cubed]

Said this about Dennison…

And then said this, after this season…

Find that very interesting. No support for either whatsoever.

[Bill from NYC]

34 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

Bill O’Brien is more qualified than Dorsey that’s a fact.

 

Dont see him leaving Alabama and coming here. Not the biggest fan but it would be an improvement.

I am all but 100% certain that he will not be back at Alabama. His contract expires in February and I don't see any scenario in which he stays in Tuscaloosa. None whatsoever.

[dorquemada]

He's not the greatest OC but did OK at Alabama this year given their unusual lack of talent at WR.  I'm not happy he's at NE, i expect he'll get the most out of Macorkle

[Not Applicable]

McDermott probably isn't bringing in anyone that could potentially become his replacement down the road.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

5 minutes ago, Bandito said:

He just got hired as the Patriots new OC

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/01/24/patriots-hire-bill-obrien-as-offensive-coordinator/

Still won't stop the thread from reaching 5 pages

[freddyjj]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

Creative former Patriots offensive coach for a very successful offense who also did a two-year stint at Alabama

So are we supposed to overlook his Homelander act as football czar with the Texans.  

https://www.houstonpress.com/news/the-four-sides-to-bill-obriens-time-in-houston-11500351

 

The Bills would need to triple the doorways widths at OBD to let his ego pass through. Doesn't play well in the sandbox or with others.  Legendary dust ups with Brady and JJ Watt - a couple of first ballot HOFers.   Not to mention a couple 21 point losses in divisional round as flags on his resume.  

 

His offense at Houston was always rated in mid teens even with Watson.  Easy pass for me.  

 

 

[dave mcbride]

Just now, freddyjj said:

So are we supposed to overlook his Homelander act as football czar with the Texans.  

https://www.houstonpress.com/news/the-four-sides-to-bill-obriens-time-in-houston-11500351

 

The Bills would need to triple the doorways widths at OBD to let his ego pass through. Doesn't play well in the sandbox or with others.  Legendary dust ups with Brady and JJ Watt - a couple of first ballot HOFers.   Not to mention a couple 21 point losses in divisional round as flags on his resume.  

 

His offense at Houston was always rated in mid teens even with Watson.  Easy pass for me.  

 

 

Doesn’t matter. He just signed with the Pats.

[Big Turk]

He will be better than that clown Matt Patricia

[NastyNateSoldiers]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

Creative former Patriots offensive coach for a very successful offense who also did a two-year stint at Alabama, where his offense was criticized for being ever-so-slightly underwhelming relative to the year before he arrived. Sound familiar? I doubt it will happen because I expect McDermott to give Dorsey a pass. But I am throwing it out there given the noise that the Pats may go after him and because I’ve been pretty underwhelmed by Dorsey despite the #2 ranking. As Joe B says in his Athletic article, the window ain’t gonna be open long and McDermott got rid of Dennison after one season.  If I’m O’Brien and were presented with the option, working with Josh Allen would be a far more attractive proposition than working with Mac Jones. (Also, small point: like Daboll, who has an engineering degree from the U of Rochester, O’Brien is presumably a book-smart guy given that he graduated from Brown.)

 

To reiterate, I strongly doubt this happens given McDermott’s history with assistants (excepting Dennison, who was actually terrible) and the excuse making that’s currently going on inside the organization regarding this season’s outcome.

I said the same thing and I agree. O’Brien is also very comparable to Daboll in that he runs the Erhardt Perkins system which is what Allen is very familiar with and has excelled at during his time with Daboll. He also will bring symmetry with the running game because Dorsey seems to like heavily in that department. 

[Ghost_002!]

18 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

So are we supposed to overlook his Homelander act as football czar with the Texans.  

https://www.houstonpress.com/news/the-four-sides-to-bill-obriens-time-in-houston-11500351

 

The Bills would need to triple the doorways widths at OBD to let his ego pass through. Doesn't play well in the sandbox or with others.  Legendary dust ups with Brady and JJ Watt - a couple of first ballot HOFers.   Not to mention a couple 21 point losses in divisional round as flags on his resume.  

 

His offense at Houston was always rated in mid teens even with Watson.  Easy pass for me.  

 

 

 

 

There's a difference in being a coordinator than being a head coach who makes personnel decisions. He f'ed up that organization bad, but he did take and won a playoff game with them as well.

Edited January 24, 2023 by Ghost_002!

[klos63]

1 hour ago, Wayne Cubed said:

Said this about Dennison…

And then said this, after this season…

Find that very interesting. No support for either whatsoever.

I think we need a change at both coordinators. Dorsey isn't good enough and with the defense, i think a change in philosophy is needed, similar to getting Wade after Corey.

[Billz4ever]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

Creative former Patriots offensive coach for a very successful offense who also did a two-year stint at Alabama, where his offense was criticized for being ever-so-slightly underwhelming relative to the year before he arrived. Sound familiar? I doubt it will happen because I expect McDermott to give Dorsey a pass. But I am throwing it out there given the noise that the Pats may go after him and because I’ve been pretty underwhelmed by Dorsey despite the #2 ranking. As Joe B says in his Athletic article, the window ain’t gonna be open long and McDermott got rid of Dennison after one season.  If I’m O’Brien and were presented with the option, working with Josh Allen would be a far more attractive proposition than working with Mac Jones. (Also, small point: like Daboll, who has an engineering degree from the U of Rochester, O’Brien is presumably a book-smart guy given that he graduated from Brown.)

 

To reiterate, I strongly doubt this happens given McDermott’s history with assistants (excepting Dennison, who was actually terrible) and the excuse making that’s currently going on inside the organization regarding this season’s outcome.

What's wrong with hiring Frank Reich as OC?  

[dma0034]

1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

What's wrong with hiring Frank Reich as OC?  

 

I think this is who I want as OC

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

Dang, so Bills will finish 4th in the division next year because we lost to the Bengals in the playoffs. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

Oh well.

Agreed.  But I was about to say "and the horse he rode in on." 🤨

1 hour ago, GolfandBills said:

Just signed with Patriots 

Be careful, Coach Belichickello.  You've just hired your Iago.

[Matt_In_NH]

3 minutes ago, dma0034 said:

 

I think this is who I want as OC

Josh wants Dorsey.   They respect what josh wants.  

[Billz4ever]

7 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Josh wants Dorsey.   They respect what josh wants.  

He never said he wants Dorsey.  He just said good things about him, like Josh does with everyone.

[Chaos]

1 hour ago, extrahammer said:

This team doesn’t need a 2nd year OC. We need a very experienced and innovative OC. It’s foolish to wait until the end of the season to realize Hines should have been factored in the offense more. 

Sometimes I get the impression that the sequence of events is like this:

• McDermott  - try to get McCafferty or Hockenstien
• Beane - here have Hines
• McDermott - I don't want Hines on offense, does he do special teams?
• Beane - probably, give him a shot at that. 

[DrDawkinstein]

18 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

What's wrong with hiring Frank Reich as OC?  

 

17 minutes ago, dma0034 said:

 

I think this is who I want as OC

 

He doesnt call plays. Or at least doesnt do it well. He isnt much of an offensive "guru", as much as he is a nice leader who isnt much of a threat to Pederson (the real play caller).

 

I wouldnt mind him as QB coach actually. Someone to help keep Josh level. But that isnt going to happen.

[Matt_In_NH]

8 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

He never said he wants Dorsey.  He just said good things about him, like Josh does with everyone.

 

I disagree.  There was a press conference where Josh clearly indicated he was the best man for the job.  Josh got Beasley and Brown back.  Gentry has been on the PS until recently because why, hes a great prospect?

Edited January 24, 2023 by Matt_In_NH

[extrahammer]

7 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Sometimes I get the impression that the sequence of events is like this:

• McDermott  - try to get McCafferty or Hockenstien
• Beane - here have Hines
• McDermott - I don't want Hines on offense, does he do special teams?
• Beane - probably, give him a shot at that. 

 

How tight do you think McD and Beane are? 

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, Matt_In_NH said:

 

I disagree.  There was a press conference where Josh clearly indicated he was the best man for the job.  Josh got Beasley and Brown back.  Gentry has been on the PS until recently because why, hes a great prospect?

I didn't hear Josh say anything different about Dorsey than what I've heard him say in the past.  

 

And given how little Dorsey even tried to piece Beasley into the offense, I don't even know why they even bothered bringing him back.

[Matt_In_NH]

7 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

I didn't hear Josh say anything different about Dorsey than what I've heard him say in the past.  

 

And given how little Dorsey even tried to piece Beasley into the offense, I don't even know why they even bothered bringing him back.

There was a press conference I think right after the KC game last year when it was known Dabol was gone where he all but said this is the guy I want.

[Billz4ever]

4 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

There was a press conference I think right after the KC game last year when it was known Dabol was gone where he all but said this is the guy I want.

That's who they were going with anyway, so he's just towing the company line.

 

And as far as Beasley, again, no point even bringing him back.

 

 

Edited January 24, 2023 by Billz4ever

[clayboy54]

What the heck do we know about hiring coordinators?

 

First, everybody says we need a young offensive mind. We got one.

Now, everybody says let's hire O'Brien, an older retread with a bad attitude. Thank goodness he went to NE.

 

What logic is there in fishing for coordinators? You just have to pick a guy with some experience that matched the concept of putting your players in the bast position to succeed. The only thing you cannot do is to pick a guy that wants the players to conform to his scheme. If we do that, Josh will fail to progress.

[The Jokeman]

Shockingly he returns to New England, https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35516310/sources-bill-obrien-returns-new-england-patriots-oc

 

Man Belichick seems to stick to "his" guys. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

45 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

He doesnt call plays. Or at least doesnt do it well. He isnt much of an offensive "guru", as much as he is a nice leader who isnt much of a threat to Pederson (the real play caller).

 

I wouldnt mind him as QB coach actually. Someone to help keep Josh level. But that isnt going to happen.

Frank Reich called plays for the colts since he's been HC.

 

Franks problem is that he's not HC material, but as OC he could be very good.  He's a really good X's and O's guy.

 

If Frank washes out from his HC interviews, I would have him on speed dial.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

17 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Man Belichick seems to stick to "his" guys. 

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Frank Reich called plays for the colts since he's been HC.

 

Franks problem is that he's not HC material, but as OC he could be very good.  He's a really good X's and O's guy.

 

If Frank washes out from his HC interviews, I would have him on speed dial.

 

Bsed on those Colts teams, that isnt much of a selling point for me.

[Big Blitz]

It’s more likely Joe Brady gets the OC job if they move on from Dorsey.  
 

I would think outside the box but as I’ve always said about defensive head coaches - especially ones now on the hot seat - they aren’t going to hire their potential replacements.   

[RiotAct]

I’m not ready to give up on Dorsey quite yet… see if he evolves year 2.

 

Frazier, however, can go take a hike.