We are in HC purgatory

[billsfan3482]

17 minutes ago, bills6969 said:

Super Bowl or bust next year.  If we don’t win it next year,  Beane will blow up the staff.

Why waste another year?  I dont care how much of a Bills fan someone can be or how much of A nice guy Mcdormett is. Who actually believes anything will be better/different next year??  Every year its ***** something!!  Complete failure today.

  

 

Edited January 23, 2023 by billsfan3482

[Chicken Boo]

I said a while ago that McDermott will be our Bill Cowher.  Just good enough to not get fired.  

 

While we're drafting defense every year and selecting Cody Ford over DK Metcalf, the Bengals went and drafted Mixon, Higgins, Burrow and Chase.

 

For the love of God, get some game breaking weapons on this offense! 

[Buffalo03]

2 minutes ago, Chaos said:

you seem to miss the point.  Landry and Reid actually made it to championship games and super bowls. McDermott is a divisional round playoff guy after peaking three seasons ago. 

You're assuming he peaked. Andy Reid went to his first in his 6th year in Philly and then finally won his 7th year in Kansas City. How many Philly fans after those first 5 years or in KC his first 6 years there do you think said Reid "peaked" at multiple championship games or a Super bowl loss?

[Blazman11]

1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said:

My mind won't be changed because simply because you and other people think that all coaches o lyrics deserve 5 years with a successful team before letting someone go. Andy Reid, Tony Dungy, Bill Cowher. These are all HOF head coaches that won their Super Bowls later in their tenured but I would take any one of them including McDermott over firing him after just 6 seasons

‘the reason it took them so long is because they didn’t have a transcendent QB talent until later in their career. 
 

We already have that. McDermott had that starting his 3rd year. Significantly earlier than those guys. 

[Chicken Boo]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

You're assuming he peaked. Andy Reid went to his first in his 6th year in Philly and then finally won his 7th year in Kansas City. How many Philly fans after those first 5 years or in KC his first 6 years there do you think said Reid "peaked" at multiple championship games or a Super bowl loss?

 

Not for nothing, Reid and the Eagles parted ways before they both won Super Bowls.

Edited January 23, 2023 by Chicken Boo

[ArtVandalay]

1 hour ago, iccrewman112 said:

I give McDermott the option to have 2 new coordinators to start the season or then we part ways.

I'm so sick of people blaming Frazier, he was literally handpicked by Mcdermott to run HIS defense. It's HIS scheme,  HIS defense, Frazier just running it under HIS direction. A defensive head coach doesn't bring in a new defensive scheme lol... could you imagine Andy Reid firing the OC and saying he's going to bring in a different offensive scheme?

Edited January 23, 2023 by ArtVandalay

[Buffalo03]

Just now, Chicken Boo said:

 

Not for nothing, both Reid and the Eagles parted ways before they won Super Bowls.

I'm aware of that 

[kevnallen]

My opinion: the defense needs some updates on scheme, like other have said. But when you wish for new coordinators, remember that it may be difficult to find ones that improve on who they already have. They definitely missed Von too.On offense, we need to upgrade our offensive line. I’m not sure why the Bills seemed lackluster today. Maybe they are emotionally spent from the Damar cardiac arrest ordeal. 

[Big Blitz]

1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said:

Do you think the Eagles said this every year of Andy Reid's tenure there? What about his first 5 or 6 years in Kansas City? He is a HOF head coached that took over 20 years to win his first Super Bowl. Relax

 

They’re about to win a second SB in 5 years - with 2 different coaches.  
 

[Buffalo Ballin]

1 hour ago, McBean said:

Spot on.

 

I’ve said it for 2 years.

 

McClappy won’t lead us anywhere.

 

You get banned on here for saying anything about the guy tho.

Your avatar picture seems like Beane is saying this at the press conference LMAO.

[Buffalo03]

2 minutes ago, Blazman11 said:

‘the reason it took them so long is because they didn’t have a transcendent QB talent until later in their career. 
 

We already have that. McDermott had that starting his 3rd year. Significantly earlier than those guys. 

Ok, he's still only in his 6th year. How would you feel if we won it with him next year? Or the year after? Would that change your mind?

2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

They’re about to win a second SB in 5 years - with 2 different coaches.  
 

And your point is? Andy Reid still has hardware and a hof resume

[Donuts and Doritos]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

His timeout usage is a problem. Yes, we had a bad day. But he still deserves a couple more chances at least. Allen is here for the foreseeable future so we can give a little more time before giving another coach a shot

 

His handling of the Hamlin situation is the only thing that earns him another shot in my mind. He was impressive with that. But he needs to make a lot of changes next year. They are 31st in tackling, Cincy was first, we were top 3 in drops & turnovers. Details matter & McD is not buttoned up on details. So next year needs to be different or yeah, it should be time for a change.

[Buffalo03]

Just now, Donuts and Doritos said:

 

His handling of the Hamlin situation is the only thing that earns him another shot in my mind. He was impressive with that. But he needs to make a lot of changes next year. They are 31st in tackling, Cincy was first, we were top 3 in drops & turnovers. Details matter & McD is not buttoned up on details. So next year needs to be different or yeah, it should be time for a change.

There needs to be changes, no doubt, but he deserves at least another year or 2

[Blazman11]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Ok, he's still only in his 6th year. How would you feel if we won it with him next year? Or the year after? Would that change your mind?

‘I’ve said it already in earlier replies. My pitchfork isn’t completely out yet for McDermott. 
 

‘’everyone makes mistakes. But your ability to learn and grow from those mistakes makes someone great. Of course I would be happy if the Bills won the SB next year or the year after. But right now I have not seen ANY evidence that McDermott has learned from his previous playoff coaching mistakes. That’s what is very concerning to me. 
 

Maybe the light switch clicks next year?  Maybe I win the lotto. How long do you want to wait and chew through a potential HOF QB talent in his prime?  In sports you can never say well next year is it.  Guys get older. Guys get injured. Guys don’t progress. Guys regress. We missed 3 prime opportunities to win a SB when we had the same level of talent as everyone. There is no guarantee we roll out the same talent level next year. 
 

im not saying fire McDermott tomorrow. But I’m open at least to having the conversation. 

Edited January 23, 2023 by Blazman11

[Buffalo03]

Just now, Blazman11 said:

‘I’ve said it already in earlier replies. My pitchfork isn’t completely out yet for McDermott. 
 

‘’everyone makes mistakes. But your ability to learn and grow from those mistakes makes someone great. Of course I would be happy if the Bills won the SB next year or the year after. But right now I have not seen ANY evidence that McDermott has learned from his previous playoff coaching mistakes. 
 

Maybe the light switch clicks next year?  Maybe I win the lotto. How long do you want to wait and chew through a potential HOF QB talent in his prime?  In sports you can never say well next year is it.  Guys get older. Guys get injured. Guys don’t progress. Guys regress. We missed 3 prime opportunities to win a SB when we had the same level of talent as everyone. There is no guarantee we roll out the same talent level next year. 

His timeout usage is his biggest issue and his loyalty to people is his other big issue but I do believe he is the kind of coach that can get us there. Things need to change. He is on a shorter leash in my opinion, but it isn't the point yet to do anything. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 hour ago, Roundybout said:

 

Peyton was a loser who couldn't win anything with years of stacked New Orleans teams and was responsible for Bountygate. 

 

Agree, you want to make changes fine.  But Peyton won one SB with one of best QB's in league, but also had a few .500 seasons and lost a number of playoff games as big favorite.  Don't think he's all that much of an improvement.  Just not a fan. 

[Da webster guy]

1 hour ago, pigpen65 said:

The offense needs an experienced coordinator. No ifs, ands, or buts. Dorsey is flat out in over his head. 

I agree but I would ride with Dorsey another year.  We scored second highest points in the NFL, he was a rookie coach, give him 1 offseason and year 2 to upgrade his system.   

[EasternOHBillsFan]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

We are stuck and there is no way out. Pegula is not going to get rid of Beane and McDermott.  McDermott has done too much for the franchise and the city to be canned. So we will waste another year on Dungy 2.0 only to come up short again. We are now on three years wasted of the best QB play this team has ever had. And nothing to show for it. Next year will be four and the cap situation will only keep getting worse. 

 

TONY DUNGY WON A $!$!$$@ SUPER BOWL, or did you miss that past of NFL history?

24 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Agree, you want to make changes fine.  But Peyton won one SB with one of best QB's in league, but also had a few .500 seasons and lost a number of playoff games as big favorite.  Don't think he's all that much of an improvement.  Just not a fan. 

 

Anyone who thinks Sean Payton is better than McDermott and is trashing Tony Dungy are CLUELESS as to his record as a coach.

[BarleyNY]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

We are stuck and there is no way out. Pegula is not going to get rid of Beane and McDermott.  McDermott has done too much for the franchise and the city to be canned. So we will waste another year on Dungy 2.0 only to come up short again. We are now on three years wasted of the best QB play this team has ever had. And nothing to show for it. Next year will be four and the cap situation will only keep getting worse. 

This team needed a teacher and a father figure. Now they need a mercenary assassin. Give Josh Sean Payton or Jim Harbaugh and Bills win the SuperBowl next year. 

Its not going to happen so we had just be prepared for another year of this crap. When McDermott says we will learn and grow from this I hope some reporter has the balls to say when do you stop learning and winning instead?

There’s a real chance that we see a change in the DC and OC this off-season. That’s step 1 toward a HC’s seat warming up. I don’t know if it will happen, but I think it needs to. As part of that change, McDermott needs to cede control of the defense. 

[PrimeTime101]

we need a REAL OC/Assistant HC and Bump Dorsey where he belongs. A. OC

 

 

[DCofNC]

2 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Ironically, we get our butts kicked by Cincinnati, who had to fire a VERY successful head coach to get where they are now.

 

Do we have another:

 

I was just thinking, we have the modern Marv Lewis.  Good enough to win in the regular season, useless when it counts, but “he’s a nice guy and a great leader” 🤮.  Get me a winner.   

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

12 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

TONY DUNGY WON A $!$!$$@ SUPER BOWL, or did you miss that past of NFL history?

 

Anyone who thinks Sean Payton is better than McDermott and is trashing Tony Dungy are CLUELESS as to his record as a coach.

 

Yeah here's their records, Payton and McD about the same.  Other than the SB year never won more than 1 playoff game any season with one of the top QB's in the league.  The only thing Peyton was much better at was winning challenges which don't think you'd make HC change based on.

 

 

[Rocbillsfan1]

2 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Not even close. Marvin Lewis lost in the first round every year for like 8 or 9 straight years 

 

McD only lost in the first round his first season.

Marvin Lewis didn’t have Josh Allen and stephon diggs, what’s mcdermott’s excuse?

[JohnNord]

2 hours ago, BillnutinHouston said:

This is 100% correct.  

 

McD is to Bflo as Tomlin is to Pittsburgh.

 

"Good enough" is good enough.

Tomlin has 2 rings 

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, Rocbillsfan1 said:

Marvin Lewis didn’t have Josh Allen and stephon diggs, what’s mcdermott’s excuse?

 

Chad OchoCinco statisticslly was every bit as good as Diggs. Or perhaps you forgot.

 

Also had a much better #2 in Houshmanzadeh. Perhaps you forgot that as well. 

 

Championship?

[ArtVandalay]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

We are stuck and there is no way out. Pegula is not going to get rid of Beane and McDermott.  McDermott has done too much for the franchise and the city to be canned. So we will waste another year on Dungy 2.0 only to come up short again. We are now on three years wasted of the best QB play this team has ever had. And nothing to show for it. Next year will be four and the cap situation will only keep getting worse. 

This team needed a teacher and a father figure. Now they need a mercenary assassin. Give Josh Sean Payton or Jim Harbaugh and Bills win the SuperBowl next year. 

Its not going to happen so we had just be prepared for another year of this crap. When McDermott says we will learn and grow from this I hope some reporter has the balls to say when do you stop learning and winning instead?

One thing I would like to clarify is McDermott is NOT Dungy 2.0 ... he's Marvin Lewis 2.0.

[JohnNord]

3 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Chad OchoCinco statisticslly was every bit as good as Diggs. Or perhaps you forgot.

 

Also had a much better #2 in Houshmanzadeh. Perhaps you forgot that as well. 

 

Championship?

It’s a bad comparison.  He’s not Marvin Lewis.  

[billieve420]

McDermott should be on the hot seat starting next year. As CEO and guy who was responsible for building winning culture in Buffalo he has done good job. As HC have questioned some of his game day decisions but bigger issue is guys he has calling plays.
 

Would move on from Frazier and have McDermott call plays next season while promoting from within to handle the day to day. Almost have to give Dorsey a pass being that it was his first year and offense has put up similar numbers. Feel he is limited by this offensive line which has also hurt Allen’s growth. #1 objective in the offseason should be upgrade offensive line and develop running game.

[RyanC883]

2 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Ironically, we get our butts kicked by Cincinnati, who had to fire a VERY successful head coach to get where they are now.

 

Do we have another:

 

BINGO.  We have a coach who can eek out wins over teams with inferior talent (last week), but routinely get beaten by better teams.  

[BrooklynBills]

3 hours ago, ArtVandalay said:

I'm so sick of people blaming Frazier, he was literally handpicked by Mcdermott to run HIS defense. It's HIS scheme,  HIS defense, Frazier just running it under HIS direction. A defensive head coach doesn't bring in a new defensive scheme lol... could you imagine Andy Reid firing the OC and saying he's going to bring in a different offensive scheme?

Frazier is calling the defense though, right? 

[Johnnycage46]

4 hours ago, NUT said:

Pegula just doesn't have what it takes to make the HC change required.

 

Allen will be in his mid 30's, Diggs long gone before Pegula decides to do something about McDermott.

God that is depressing but also likely

[mannc]

4 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

Do you think the Eagles said this every year of Andy Reid's tenure there? What about his first 5 or 6 years in Kansas City? He is a HOF head coached that took over 20 years to win his first Super Bowl. Relax

Well, the Eagles won their first and only Super Bowl after sacking Reid, so…

[Motorin']

12 minutes ago, mannc said:

Well, the Eagles won their first and only Super Bowl after sacking Reid, so…

 

When this thread came up last year I asked, what if McDermott is to Allen what Reeves was to Elway? 

 

Dan Reeves was very successful, had 8 winning seasons out of 11 as HC in Denver. Could never win the big game. 

 

Reeves fired his OC Mike Shannahan the year before he himself was sacked. The Broncos brought back Shannahan as HC the following season and would go on win two Super Bowls with Elway. 

 

 

[Buffalo03]

23 minutes ago, mannc said:

Well, the Eagles won their first and only Super Bowl after sacking Reid, so…

And? That point is irrelevant 

[mannc]

4 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

When this thread came up last year I asked, what if McDermott is to Allen what Reeves was to Elway? 

 

Dan Reeves was very successful, had 8 winning seasons out of 11 as HC in Denver. Could never win the big game. 

 

Reeves fired his OC Mike Shannahan the year before he himself was sacked. The Broncos brought back Shannahan as HC the following season and would go on win two Super Bowls with Elway. 

 

 

I don’t know what the answer is, but I know that if major changes are not made, we can expect a similar result.  

Edited January 23, 2023 by mannc

[TheFunPolice]

Reid was always seen as a QB whisperer.

 

As an offensive coach he found ways to get the most out of his QBs and offenses. After decades of finding ways he finally got a top QB to work with.

 

McDermott is supposed to be a defensive coach but his defenses always come up short when it matters and he has his own 1st and 2nd round picks all over the place.

 

Reid will also retire top 3 (at worst) in NFL history in head coaching wins. No comparison at all.

 

If we lost 13-10 or something like that with our defense playing amazing but the offense not quite being able to do enough then it would be harder to criticize McDermott.

Edited January 23, 2023 by TheFunPolice

[Joe Ferguson]

McDermott is the reason Bills got eliminated three years in a row.

2021: coaching scared. 2022: 13 ***** seconds. 2023: unprepared.

[The Frankish Reich]

17 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

Reeves fired his OC Mike Shannahan the year before he himself was sacked. The Broncos brought back Shannahan as HC the following season

I see what you're getting at here. But Daboll is not available. So ... Rick Dennison or Nate Hackett? 

All kidding aside, I think you're right. And I'd be on the phone with Greg Roman tomorrow.

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

I said a while ago that McDermott will be our Bill Cowher. 

 

 

More like a Bills Marvin Lewis.

[Joe Ferguson]