Alphadawg7 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 (edited) I recognize Frazier garners respect as a top tier DC and even possible HC candidate. And in a lot ways it’s deserved. But, I’m over his defense. I’ve been over it since last year, he then started to win me back holding together the D through so many injuries. But last week and this week showed his defense is a liability come playoff time, just like it’s always been in every playoff exit we have had. More importantly, his entire defensive scheme is as a DISADVANTAGE in bad weather. Offense already has an advantage in bad weather because they know where they are going on each play. Defenders have to play off a little more in bad weather, and that just completely disrupts our defensive scheme and gives opponents wide open targets to just pick apart Fraziers D. They won’t fire McD after what this team went through this year, but I hop we make a change at DC. NOTE: Also hope we see Dorsey leave so we can get a more seasoned and creative OC in here. No way they fire him, but hope he gets the Carolina job. Sadly I doubt either gets a HC job and doubt either gets fired. Edited January 22, 2023 by Alphadawg7 9 31 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Why does everyone have to get fired when you lose in the playoffs? 1 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ren1701 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: Why does everyone have to get fired when you lose in the playoffs? It's the way you lose 8 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 They’re not firing anyone or changing anything. 2 2 2 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: Why does everyone have to get fired when you lose in the playoffs? Because you recognize that the team always crumbles against top teams in big games? 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Running his same scheme and philosophy that gets you wins in the regular season, but always and I mean always comes up short in the playoffs! This defense needs someone new, fresh and creative to call plays……the Lesly Frazier defense has run its course in Buffalo! 2 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I recognize Frazier garners respect as a top tier DC and even possible HC candidate. And in a lot ways it’s deserved. But, I’m over his defense. I’ve been over it since last year, he then started to win me back holding together the D through so many injuries. But last week and this week showed his defense is a liability come playoff time, just like it’s always been. More importantly, his entire defensive scheme is as a DISADVANTAGE in bad weather. Offense already has an advantage in bad weather because they know where they are going on each play. Defenders have to play off a little more in bad weather, and that just completely disrupts our defensive scheme and gives opponents wide open targets to just pick apart Fraziers D. They won’t fire McD after what this team went through this year, but I hop we make a change at DC. NOTE: Also hope we see Dorsey leave so we can get a more seasoned and creative OC in here. No way they fire him, but hope he gets the Carolina job. Sadly I doubt either gets a HC job and doubt either gets fired. I agree, if McD is humble enough he gets rid of Frazier and lets someone come in and run their own defense. Can’t run this mainly zone defense and win in the playoffs Also re Dorsey at least it’s his first year, Frazier doesn’t have an excuse Edited January 22, 2023 by Bray Wyatt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Just now, Coach Tuesday said: They’re not firing anyone or changing anything. Which is why we will be having this conversation again next January. 5 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 22, 2023 Author Share Posted January 22, 2023 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: Why does everyone have to get fired when you lose in the playoffs? Why does Frazier need to keep on keeping his job after the defense fails in the playoffs? It’s been every single year. How many times do we need to see his defense not work in playoff football before we try something new? 3 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Just now, Coach Tuesday said: They’re not firing anyone or changing anything. Agreed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 17 year drought. That's the trump card. Nothing will change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Just now, ren1701 said: It's the way you lose They don’t matchup well vs Cincinnati without Von Miller. Soft coverage and zero pass rush vs those WRs it was easy to see the mismatch. They’ve missed on DL draft picks and it cost them. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 The problem is other team's D might not play as well during the season but steps up in the postseason while ours plays well during the year but then comes up small in the postseason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Whaaaat? This is an Alpha post?! I could’ve sworn you’ve long defended Frazier. I think Lou A, the Bengals coordinator, put on a clinic today. He schemed his chess pieces very well, it was like he knew what the Bills wanted to do and when. That’s a real DC. Meanwhile ours can’t stop the run, can’t stop the pass, can’t stop anything really against a Bengals line that was easily the worst unit left in the playoffs. I’ve been over Frazier and his soft scheme for a couple years now and really thought he should’ve been canned at the end of 13 seconds. The definition of insanity is doing the same over and over and expecting different results. I’ll be pissed if we don’t make a move there and will lose faith in Beane on down. 2 1 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Why does Frazier need to keep on keeping his job after the defense fails in the playoffs? It’s been every single year. How many times do we need to see his defense not work in playoff football before we try something new? You’re just wasting your energy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Why does everyone have to get fired when you lose in the playoffs? Because 4 years straight the defense has let us down. It’s only dominant against bottom of the barrel QBs which you rarely face in the playoffs! Watson carved us up in the 2nd half, Mahomes carved us up 2 straight years and Burrow just made us his B word……scheme never delivers against top QB’s! 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: They’re not firing anyone or changing anything. You're probably right. They'll run it back again & loose again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 22, 2023 Author Share Posted January 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said: You’re just wasting your energy. Probably, doesn’t make me wrong though. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagoon Blues Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 (edited) Is it really Leslies D? How much of it is Seans and Leslie is running it? Not sarcasm truly asking... I guess what I'm getting at is would anything change with a new d coordinator? Edited January 22, 2023 by Lagoon Blues 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 22, 2023 Author Share Posted January 22, 2023 Just now, streetkings01 said: Because 4 years straight the defense has let us down. It’s only dominant against bottom of the barrel QBs which you rarely face in the playoffs! Watson carved us up in the 2nd half, Mahomes carved us up 2 straight years and Burrow just made us his B word……scheme never delivers against top QB’s! This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Why does everyone have to get fired when you lose in the playoffs? It’s not the first time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobillswin Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Why does everyone have to get fired when you lose in the playoffs? The losses the last two years have been embarrassing. Like when the packers fired their special teams coach after the 49ers blocked two punts last year. Sometimes the game forces your hand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 I’ve resisted this idea for a long time. I’ve ignored these “fire frazier” posts for a long time. But I’m now on board. WAY too many miscommunications, wide open guys, timeouts needing to be taken on defense, methodical drives, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Our guys didn't cover, our lines didn't get a push. Seems to me we need some new players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Lagoon Blues said: Is it really Leslies D? How much of it is Seans and Leslie is running it? Not sarcasm truly asking... I think this is the issue. How do you change the defense with McDermott as head coach. That is supposed to be his forte. McDermott takes no ownerhsip of the offense, and lets face it, he is not a top tier game day coach. So if he hires a DC with free reign, what is the purpose of McDermott being here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 8 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I recognize Frazier garners respect as a top tier DC and even possible HC candidate. And in a lot ways it’s deserved. But, I’m over his defense. I’ve been over it since last year, he then started to win me back holding together the D through so many injuries. But last week and this week showed his defense is a liability come playoff time, just like it’s always been in every playoff exit we have had. More importantly, his entire defensive scheme is as a DISADVANTAGE in bad weather. Offense already has an advantage in bad weather because they know where they are going on each play. Defenders have to play off a little more in bad weather, and that just completely disrupts our defensive scheme and gives opponents wide open targets to just pick apart Fraziers D. They won’t fire McD after what this team went through this year, but I hop we make a change at DC. NOTE: Also hope we see Dorsey leave so we can get a more seasoned and creative OC in here. No way they fire him, but hope he gets the Carolina job. Sadly I doubt either gets a HC job and doubt either gets fired. I think I finally have to agree. We need a more aggressive defense and that's not what Frazier coaches. I also was not impressed with Dorsey. It seems our offense worked in spite of him, not because of him. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Big Turk said: The problem is other team's D might not play as well during the season but steps up in the postseason while ours plays well during the year but then comes up small in the postseason. We seem to play soft schematically in the playoffs or vs anyone that threatens the defense. That is definitely coaching philosophy. I don’t think Frazier should get all the blame. Most of it has to fall on McDermott. I do think we need to see changes on defense because this system isn’t good enough. We can’t trust Von Miller to be healthy and save them. I haven’t seen anything in our young pass rushers to believe they can become difference makers. Rousseau with Von Miller was different. Once teams focused on him he was nothing: They might need to invest in pass rush help again this offseason if they stick with the scheme. Edited January 22, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 I think a shakeup in coaching at least give you hope Were not winning anything with a undersized soft defense and this O line. Least Frazier gone would mean we might see game specific defense Its the same thing every week no matter what team they play Brandon Beane better hit some hrs as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 I hate that it came to this, but glad that others are seeing the light. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, stevestojan said: It’s not the first time. Sean Payton has lost many times in the playoffs. Andy Reid as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 9 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: They don’t matchup well vs Cincinnati without Von Miller. Soft coverage and zero pass rush vs those WRs it was easy to see the mismatch. They’ve missed on DL draft picks and it cost them. Ball coming out so quick, Von Miller wasn't the factor today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chugga Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 12 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Why does everyone have to get fired when you lose in the playoffs? Because you continually lose for the same reasons 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 I agree that Frazier's time is done. Dorsey, as a first time coordinator can build upon this. But Frazier has hit the ceiling. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 9 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Why does everyone have to get fired when you lose in the playoffs? Because this was a complete beat down and complete domination. I would also argue... our season has ended each year in the playoffs... because the defense plays soft and comes up small in these games... maybe not in KC in 2020... but in Houston, KC last year, today. The defense is completely out schemed, out played and exposed. You cant keep coming back to the same well and hope you finally get lucky. Do something and find a way to get over the hump. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: We seem to play soft schematically in the playoffs or vs anyone that threatens the defense. That is definitely coaching philosophy. I don’t think Frazier should get all the blame. Most of it has to fall on McDermott. I do think we need to see changes on defense because this system isn’t good enough. We can’t trust Von Miller to be healthy and save them. I haven’t seen anything in our young pass rushers to believe they can become difference makers. Rousseau with Von Miller was different. Once teams focused on him he was nothing: They might need to invest in pass rush help again this offseason if they stick with the scheme. Agreed...schematically they allow too much to try and take something away and against really good teams in the playoffs it's able to be exposed too frequently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Whatever the defensive game plan was today, was absolutely horrendous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Just now, BrooklynBills said: Ball coming out so quick, Von Miller wasn't the factor today. DaQuan would have helped a lot on the runs to set up 3rd and longers but with how soft they played coverage wise it wouldn't have likely mattered. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 13 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I recognize Frazier garners respect as a top tier DC and even possible HC candidate. And in a lot ways it’s deserved. But, I’m over his defense. I’ve been over it since last year, he then started to win me back holding together the D through so many injuries. But last week and this week showed his defense is a liability come playoff time, just like it’s always been in every playoff exit we have had. More importantly, his entire defensive scheme is as a DISADVANTAGE in bad weather. Offense already has an advantage in bad weather because they know where they are going on each play. Defenders have to play off a little more in bad weather, and that just completely disrupts our defensive scheme and gives opponents wide open targets to just pick apart Fraziers D. They won’t fire McD after what this team went through this year, but I hop we make a change at DC. NOTE: Also hope we see Dorsey leave so we can get a more seasoned and creative OC in here. No way they fire him, but hope he gets the Carolina job. Sadly I doubt either gets a HC job and doubt either gets fired. McD is the problem. He is pure, unadulterated trash that chokes and gets outcoached every single postseason. Frazier doesn’t decide our scheme against McD’s will. He’s an extension of him. Bringing them all back is waving the white flag on the future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoscoeParrish Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 10 points on offense was the story 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Just now, RoscoeParrish said: 10 points on offense was the story 14-0 hole from the defense, and the HC coach being forced to punt at the end of the first half because of the sucky defense is the full story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.