CEN-CAL17 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Exactly I think you’re assuming that changes won’t be made having one of the wealthiest owners in football and Josh Allen still makes this a preferred destination I don’t see anything changing to be honest. If Frazier isn’t picked up (he won’t be) McD is too loyal and I see him giving his Carolina guy a second year. Players bay change but I’m thinking scheme and coaching are a bigger issue. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 47 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Dorsey's play calling has lacked ingenuity and diversity all season. It can't be denied. I think its more play design than call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awwufelloff Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) Josh Allen wanted Dorsey. This is why you don’t let the qb make personnel decisions Edited January 23, 2023 by Awwufelloff 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sestak4ever Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I agree with the sentiment that Dorsey does not keep Josh under control and help him identify open receivers versus taking shots into the end zone. An OC needs to sit down with Josh and rein him in. Maximize his talents by giving him easier reads, reviewing the missed options and adjusting his thought process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpen65 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 46 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Thats what happens when you start the game down 14. They were chasing them all game. It was still the 1st quarter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 28 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said: That’s you assuming McD is the guy. His defense is the right scheme and Dorsey offensively can out coach or hand with guys like Siriani, Shanahan, Taylor and Reid… I don’t see it. No way, don’t care who the players are. Fact is the players are not gonna see it either. I think players know enough and see enough of this game and these personnel groups and coaches…. Buffalo is unattractive once again!!! It’s bad. Believe it or not, but this team will be no better than Division Champs. AFCE titles. Sigh...these emotional tirade takes are so tiring to read day in and day out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billschinatown Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, IronyAbounds said: Unfortunately I did, but only wasted an hour instead of an entire afternoon. Really is inexcusable for the Bills at home to never be competitive in the game. They were completely flat. I’ve had every of Frazier. 3rd and 10 with 18 yard cushion….. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 3 hours ago, DapperCam said: #1. This shows how important the bye is. We could have faced the inferior Jaguars and a hobbled Mahomes at home. #2. Jordan Phillips and D. Jones being unavailable or limited killed the middle of our d-line today. #3. Defense just had too many injuries this year, reminds me of the Ravens last year. Hyde, Von Miller, Poyer gimpy all year, Tre White not 100%, Hamlin, Benford and Dane Jackson missed some time, Milano and Edmunds missed time (probably why we lost first Jets game), also the two DTs mentioned above. Other contenders were much healthier overall. #4. Our o-line stunk all year and it stunk in this game too. We had much better o-line play last year at the end of the year and in the playoffs. Brown regressed some, and Saffold must be much worse than Ike was. #5. The combination of Allen and Dorsey just didn’t seem to click. I know statistically they were similar to last year, but things just looked disjointed the second half of the season. #6. Gabe Davis dropped another big time important play, even though we shouldn’t be throwing bombs every 3rd and short. #7. If you were watching closely, you shouldn’t be too surprised about this outcome. Bills had a hard year for a lot of reasons and just didn’t have it. Our best chance was to get some bounced and squeak by, but just didn’t happen. #8. I’ve been paying too much attention to football, so maybe this is healthy. He didn't drop it, the ball hit the defenders hand right before it got to Gabe. I originally thought it hit his helmet,but looking at it again it hit the hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Billschinatown said: I’ve had every of Frazier. 3rd and 10 with 18 yard cushion….. You almost expect teams to convert those on us anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said: He didn't drop it, the ball hit the defenders hand right before it got to Gabe. I originally thought it hit his helmet,but looking at it again it hit the hand. What I saw was it hit Gabe’s hands/arms then the defender’s hand knocked it away. He could, and probably should, have caught it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 31 minutes ago, Mango said: Since all of us are playing mock GM and blowing up this team this offseason, here is a fun thought exercise. What would you give up for Shanahan over McD? And what would it take for SF to say yes? I am guessing they would demand Allen and picks. Maybe even Diggs too? Would you? Even in the most outlandish "what if" scenario I would not give up Allen & Diggs for Shanahan. I think that Bean & McD can fix this if they recognize the problem and realign the organization to meet it head on. Bean & McD did turn the Bills franchise around and that's worth something. So as long as they do what's necessary, focus on the offense and adopt a new defensive philosophy minus Frazier, they can have us right back in the thick of things next season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 35 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Hindsight is 20/20, but McBeane failed to read the room last year. Team should have drafted Breece Hall instead of Elam, George Pickens instead of James Cook, and attempted to reload the offensive line. The answer to beating Mahomes (and now Burrow) wasn't "play better defense" it was keep adding weapons and lean into a MVP caliber QB. They've consistently missed on draft picks, failing to stock the cupboard with cheap, young talent under control, and now it's all come home to roost. Yup. I know our defense sucked in the 13 seconds game, but Our offense punted 4 times. If that number was 3, we win the game. I'm just not convinced you can actively build a defense that can guarantee shutting down Mahomes and Burrow (and Allen) in the playoffs, if those teams continue to jack up their offenses. We need to make our offense like that. It'll make the defense's job easier, and allow them to be more aggressive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: What I saw was it hit Gabe’s hands/arms then the defender’s hand knocked it away. He could, and probably should, have caught it. Before that it hit the defenders hand, as it was coming in. No way for Gabe to adjust from that deflection. Edited January 23, 2023 by 4BillsintheBurgh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, 4BillsintheBurgh said: Before that it hit the defenders hand, as it was coming in. By “that” do you mean hitting Davis in the hands/arms? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, JohnBonhamRocks said: By “that” do you mean hitting Davis in the hands/arms? Yes, before it hit Davis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 57 minutes ago, Koufax said: Painful loss, tough to come up short. Picked a bad day and a tough opponent to play a bad game and we played a bad game. I look forward to watching this team get better, grow from it, and offer a really exciting season trying again next year. Ignore the overreactions and noise for the next few weeks. Exciting to be a team that year after year expects to be #1 and is disappointed by anything else, but also by definition that makes today really disappointing. Go Bills Theyre never beating that bengals team. That first q on mnf. And this game. no way. The “bills just had a bad game” excuse not gonna work 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Sigh...these emotional tirade takes are so tiring to read day in and day out We will see who has the last laugh. This ain’t the staff to take us to a Super Bowl is all I’m saying. McD is a good Coach. But he’s not getting Coordinators that will be on that level. Dorsey ain’t it and neither is Frazier. Point being… Siriani, Shanahan, Reid and Zac Taylor are the guys. That’s who we are competing with. It’s no tirade, it’s reality. I’m ready to move on, now. One day you will be too. Which is fine, difference of opinion and when is all. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 50 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Eagles rebuilt their team in 2 years and with a rookie QB. One off season of changes and they can be fine. These teams had multiple #1s 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 The Bills lose this game no matter what, so this isn't an excuse or anything, but man that weather was significantly worse than I was led to expect. I guess I have to continue to worry about how this team can handle weather games against good teams. But was it just me missing forecasts? I got the impression from the media I consumed this week that weather wouldn't be an issue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichRiderBills Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 One thing outright is I thought the team looked timid in the snow and on uneasy footing the whole game. It was like it was in our players heads, but not effecting the Bengals. They looked lost in the snow. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 It doesn’t necessarily take high draft picks to fix the trenches. You can find super physical players later in the draft. You just need to look for the proper traits. We aren’t that far off but we absolutely need to gain a physical element to this team. You probably need to upgrade at least 2 spots on the Oline. Go out and find the strongest, nastiest players available. That doesn’t have to mean 1st and 2nd round picks. There are several ways to skin a cat but go find some maulers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said: One thing outright is I thought the team looked timid in the snow and on uneasy footing the whole game. It was like it was in our players heads, but not effecting the Bengals. They looked lost in the snow. if the Buffalo Bills can't play in the snow, then the coaches need to be fired. Cincinnati is a town that shuts down for 2 inches of snow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 It’s sad and becoming more clear and in focus now that Kansas City/Mahomes and Cincinnati/Burrow are better than Allen and the Bills. It doesn’t mean that will be the case every year but that’s reality these past few seasons and maybe going forward. It feels like if the Bills ever break through, it will be when it’s not expected. Maybe they don’t win the division one of these years, get in as a wild card and go on a run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohninMinn. Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 17 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said: Before that it hit the defenders hand, as it was coming in. No way for Gabe to adjust from that deflection. Davis has to make that catch. Those plays separate talent. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, JohninMinn. said: Davis has to make that catch. Those plays separate talent. Plane and simple. Gabe, and everyone not named Diggs, has dropped entirely too many passes that hit them right on the hands or arms. Every time I watch other games... I see at least one or two catches that has me thinking...why can’t our WRs make catches like that? It’s beyond ridiculous the colossal lack of focus this team has as pivitol moments. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I think Back to last week the Bills kept giving us all this line “it’s not how you win but if you win” . I don’t know why this bothered me so much. In my mind like how you play is going to determine your success of winning this week and going Forward. Maybe it’s just me but For a team that has a Championship calibre mantra it kinda felt like an excuse for we can play sloppy mistake filled football and get by with a win. It almost didn’t happen against Miami. Watching the Bengals interviews they are are a super confident bunch, lots of swagger and they go out and back it up on the field. Burrow is possibly on his way to a second straight Super Bowl, Mahomes has 2 or possibly his third appearance upcoming and here we are with three straight Exits for Mcd/Allen.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, JohninMinn. said: Davis has to make that catch. Those plays separate talent. Not much he can do about that, there isn't enough reaction time to make the catch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills!Win! Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) For the first time in my life I have no interest in listening to wgr, national radio, reading TBD, following bills instagram, or even watching any more NFL games. I’ve never felt that way before. After the last 2 years and what we have gone through this year I really thought this was our storybook year. I feel like I need to take a break. This one hit me harder than anything in the past 24 seasons Edited January 23, 2023 by Bills!Win! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeTeam Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 If you keep knocking in life, the door will eventually open. Lots of big decisions need to be made this offseason but I believe we have the right guys in the building to make them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 24 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: It doesn’t necessarily take high draft picks to fix the trenches. You can find super physical players later in the draft. You just need to look for the proper traits. We aren’t that far off but we absolutely need to gain a physical element to this team. You probably need to upgrade at least 2 spots on the Oline. Go out and find the strongest, nastiest players available. That doesn’t have to mean 1st and 2nd round picks. There are several ways to skin a cat but go find some maulers. None of these players were Kromers guys. I'm guessing he has a list of players that he wants on his line. Or at least I hope that's the case. Can't have this bad of an Oline for Allen anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 23 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said: One thing outright is I thought the team looked timid in the snow and on uneasy footing the whole game. It was like it was in our players heads, but not effecting the Bengals. They looked lost in the snow. I was curious if the Bengals used different spikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) I've always felt that Walt Corey held back our defense in the Super bowl years and the hiring of Phillips was a year or two late. I like Frazier, but we need something else. 3 poor playoff loses is enough. Great guy, great coach, great career, but it's not going to work. Edited January 23, 2023 by klos63 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, klos63 said: I've always felt that Walt Corey held back our defense in the Super bowl years and the hiring of Phillips was a year or too late. I like Frazier, but we need something else. 3 poor playoff loses is enough. Great guy, great coach, great career, but it's not going to work. 4 poor losses if you look at the Houston game giving up the 16 point lead and the big 3rd down in OT. It's our playoff thing now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohninMinn. Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Mango said: I was curious if the Bengals used different spikes. Bengals outmucseled our lines by a wide margin. Cleats were not a factor. It was shocking. It almost looked like the game was fixed they were so bad. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 13 minutes ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said: I think Back to last week the Bills kept giving us all this line “it’s not how you win but if you win” . I don’t know why this bothered me so much. In my mind like how you play is going to determine your success of winning this week and going Forward. Maybe it’s just me but For a team that has a Championship calibre mantra it kinda felt like an excuse for we can play sloppy mistake filled football and get by with a win. It almost didn’t happen against Miami. Watching the Bengals interviews they are are a super confident bunch, lots of swagger and they go out and back it up on the field. Burrow is possibly on his way to a second straight Super Bowl, Mahomes has 2 or possibly his third appearance upcoming and here we are with three straight Exits for Mcd/Allen.. It’s not like in hockey where you can throw pucks on net and bank some dirty goals. The defense isn’t good enough for the offense to play that sloppy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohninMinn. Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Punch said: It’s not like in hockey where you can throw pucks on net and bank some dirty goals. The defense isn’t good enough for the offense to play that sloppy. It wasn't sloppy. Our blocking was non existent. Total Bengal domination. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sestak4ever Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Home field used to mean something to past Bills teams. You defended your home turf and made away teams tremble just thinking about playing here. Not this team. That mental toughness comes down from the coaches. Levy, Saban and even Knox would not get pushed around at home. We used that to our advantage. There was no fear from Miami or New England over those last few games, including the wild card game. It showed in the way the games were played. Thank goodness for Hines two returns for td's against the Pats. Something just seems to be different or missing. Can't really put my finger on it, but it just feels that way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, Sestak4ever said: Home field used to mean something to past Bills teams. You defended your home turf and made away teams tremble just thinking about playing here. Not this team. That mental toughness comes down from the coaches. Levy, Saban and even Knox would not get pushed around at home. We used that to our advantage. There was no fear from Miami or New England over those last few games, including the wild card game. It showed in the way the games were played. Thank goodness for Hines two returns for td's against the Pats. Something just seems to be different or missing. Can't really put my finger on it, but it just feels that way. I’m not advocating for McDermott to be fired but I don’t really see how to recover from this. How can the locker room respond to him now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senth Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 trenches trenches trenches!!!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Once the anger and disappointment wears off folks will see this team through a better lens. I appreciate how hard this team fought this season through adversity, injury, and a nightmare schedule. There is a lot of valid critique, but I think there is some truth in the idea that this team just lost steam and was emotionally flat. It was a long season and a tough emotional ride. Not going there as an easy excuse though. At the top of our game, I don't think we stack up with the Bengals this season. They were and are a better team so give credit where credit is due. They have done a good job with that org finding impact players and putting them in position to be successful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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