Play Clock Solution / Delay of Game

[Warriorspikes51]

Okay enough is ENOUGH.  How many times yesterday was the clock at 0 and then the ball was snapped or a crazy timeout was called.
 

These half second - second + judgment calls by the field officials need to be REMOVED FROM THE GAME.

Solution:  Play Clock hits 0 = automatic Buzzer in the stadium.  The NBA does this for their shot clock.

It should also create more urgency for offenses to make sure they get the snap off. 

Edited January 16, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[Punch]

1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Okay enough is ENOUGH.  How many times yesterday was the clock at 0 and then the ball was snapped or a crazy timeout was called.
 

These half second - second + judgment calls by the field officials need to be REMOVED FROM THE GAME.

Solution:  Play Clock hits 0 = automatic Buzzer in the stadium.  The NBA does this for their shot clock.

It should also create more urgency for offenses to make sure they get the snap off. 

At the very least, the official tasked with observing the play clock has a buzzer so they don't need to eyeball both the clock and the snap.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Okay enough is ENOUGH.  How many times yesterday was the clock at 0 and then the ball was snapped or a crazy timeout was called.
 

These half second - second + judgment calls by the field officials need to be REMOVED FROM THE GAME.

Solution:  Play Clock hits 0 = automatic Buzzer in the stadium.  The NBA does this for their shot clock.

It should also create more urgency for offenses to make sure they get the snap off. 

dont know about the buzzer part but yeah… zero should mean zero

[Warriorspikes51]

Another idea would be having an extra official whose only job is literally to watch the play clock.   But the buzzer seems it would be consistent 

[Bernie Lomax]

Be careful what you wish for. Josh is often waving to Dorsey to get the play in. 
But what you say makes sense. When did it become ok to put the call in the hands of the officials. It’s math. 

[stevestojan]

The fact that it’s 2023 and we’re still using the “ref stares at clock then down to the ball” is insane.

 

I mean I’ve been asking for a chip in the ball (which there already is one for punts) to prove line to gain, and I understand you still need to see where his knee was, but if you remove the variable of where the ball is you only need to focus on his knee. For example, replay of a QB sneak, the screen indicates exactly when the ball passed the line to gain, so the video pauses so the ref can search for a kneecap touching ground. But I digress…

 

The problem you outline is levels of magnitude easier to solve for, yet here we are, with 70 year old men staring at a clock then shifting their view to the ball. Awful. 

[jayg]

7 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Okay enough is ENOUGH.  How many times yesterday was the clock at 0 and then the ball was snapped or a crazy timeout was called.
 

These half second - second + judgment calls by the field officials need to be REMOVED FROM THE GAME.

Solution:  Play Clock hits 0 = automatic Buzzer in the stadium.  The NBA does this for their shot clock.

It should also create more urgency for offenses to make sure they get the snap off. 

When the play clock strikes zero all of the referees shall receive an electric shock. That will solve it.

Edited January 16, 2023 by jayg

[GolfandBills]

Soon as it hits zero there’s still time before it’s actually 0

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, jayg said:

When they play clock strikes zero all of the referee s shall receive an electric shock. That will solve it.

hilarious hahahahahahahhahahaha 

[Ramza86]

Im gonna say while it was really annoying that the fins got about 4 second leeway to use the timeout after the clock hit zero....Its better that you just give the team the option to burn a timeout even if its passed zero though.

 

 

 

 

[StHustle]

26 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:

Soon as it hits zero there’s still time before it’s actually 0

Which is ridiculous. Either switch two two decimal point clocks or have some sort of light go off so it’s more obvious when that last second is gone. It could then be reviewable to see if the ball is hiked before the light goes off. Relying on refs to count that final second in their heads leaves room for a huge margin of error.

[CSBill]

36 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:

Soon as it hits zero there’s still time before it’s actually 0

So you’re saying it’s “less than zero,” and my math teacher was wrong. I knew it!

[QLBillsFan]

4 minutes ago, CSBill said:

So you’re saying it’s “less than zero,” and my math teacher was wrong. I knew it!

It’s gotten so bad qb’s are allowing it to hit zero and not even worrying about. Bills included! Why even have a play clock if zero means nothing. Why put additional stress on the refs who are already having a hard time making in play calls with any level of consistency 🤷🏻‍♂️

[boater]

As long as they don't use the GD train horn was the "buzzer"

 

A problem I foresee: the crowd noise on the visitors third down would drown out any acceptable buzzer.

[Golden*Wheels]

Something needs to happen. It basically has to be -3 for it to be called....so stupid.

[Wraith]

49 minutes ago, Zingbot2112 said:

Be careful what you wish for. Josh is often waving to Dorsey to get the play in. 
But what you say makes sense. When did it become ok to put the call in the hands of the officials. It’s math. 

If the NFL actually enforced the play clock like the NBA enforced the shot clock, then Dorsey would adjust. Teams know they get that extra second (or more) and it affects their behavior.

 

The only explanation for why the NFL still calls it this way is because they want it to remain subjective so they can ignore it when it suites the leagues needs.

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, Wraith said:

If the NFL actually enforced the play clock like the NBA enforced the shot clock, then Dorsey would adjust. Teams know they get that extra second (or more) and it affects their behavior.

 

The only explanation for why the NFL still calls it this way is because they want it to remain subjective so they can ignore it when it suites the leagues needs.

 

BINGO

[The Wiz]

51 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:

Soon as it hits zero there’s still time before it’s actually 0

Need to add the tenths and hundredths to the play clock, obviously.

[US Egg]

4 minutes ago, Wraith said:

If the NFL actually enforced the play clock like the NBA enforced the shot clock, then Dorsey would adjust. Teams know they get that extra second (or more) and it affects their behavior.

 

The only explanation for why the NFL still calls it this way is because they want it to remain subjective so they can ignore it when it suites the leagues needs.

 

3 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

BINGO

…..so this one can go back on the shelf.

[Sierra Foothills]

56 minutes ago, Zingbot2112 said:

Be careful what you wish for. Josh is often waving to Dorsey to get the play in. 
But what you say makes sense. When did it become ok to put the call in the hands of the officials. It’s math. 

 

All teams play under the same rules. Flirting with delay of game is a function of officiating leniency. If the NFL tightened things up the teams would make the necessary adjustments.

 

55 minutes ago, jayg said:

When the play clock strikes zero all of the referees shall receive an electric shock. That will solve it.

 

 

The NFL should really try to tighten this up so it doesn't become like traveling in basketball.

[GolfandBills]

20 minutes ago, CSBill said:

So you’re saying it’s “less than zero,” and my math teacher was wrong. I knew it!

00.00.99.  Clock will say zero but still .99 tenths of second before it all zeros out.  Weird but that’s the explanation i heard on a podcast a while back from an ex ref

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Okay enough is ENOUGH.  How many times yesterday was the clock at 0 and then the ball was snapped or a crazy timeout was called.
 

These half second - second + judgment calls by the field officials need to be REMOVED FROM THE GAME.

Solution:  Play Clock hits 0 = automatic Buzzer in the stadium.  The NBA does this for their shot clock.

It should also create more urgency for offenses to make sure they get the snap off. 

 

Put a vibrating watch on the official responsible for the clock. He watches the snap if the watch vibrates before it is snapped - DOG. 

Edited January 16, 2023 by GunnerBill

[Niagara Bill]

1 hour ago, Punch said:

At the very least, the official tasked with observing the play clock has a buzzer so they don't need to eyeball both the clock and the snap.

If you trust the official. That would be no improvement to the present

[nucci]

1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Okay enough is ENOUGH.  How many times yesterday was the clock at 0 and then the ball was snapped or a crazy timeout was called.
 

These half second - second + judgment calls by the field officials need to be REMOVED FROM THE GAME.

Solution:  Play Clock hits 0 = automatic Buzzer in the stadium.  The NBA does this for their shot clock.

It should also create more urgency for offenses to make sure they get the snap off. 

amazing they don't do this. Too simple 

[Man with No Name]

16 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:

00.00.99.  Clock will say zero but still .99 tenths of second before it all zeros out.  Weird but that’s the explanation i heard on a podcast a while back from an ex ref

this is bs. not buying

[phypon]

Display a -1 on the clock after 0 so the ref doesn't have to count.

[LabattBlue]

24 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Put a vibrating watch on the official responsible for the clock. He watches the snap if the watch vibrates before it is snapped - DOG. 

It really is as simple as this…and yet the simplest things never seem to happen. 

[Punch]

18 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

If you trust the official. That would be no improvement to the present

Okay.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

There should be a better way to do this. Why can’t the booth official call the flag? Seems like a simple fix. 
 

Right now there’s always going to be that extra second because the official waits until it hits zero and then checks for the snap. 

[Jauronimo]

1 hour ago, jayg said:

When the play clock strikes zero all of the referees shall receive an electric shock. That will solve it.

Thats what our old play calling system was with Rex and Greg Roman.  Roman got zapped when the play clock hit :01 and then yelled the first words that came into his head.  It was usually a brand of cookie.

Edited January 16, 2023 by Jauronimo

[Bill Grundy]

1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Okay enough is ENOUGH.  How many times yesterday was the clock at 0 and then the ball was snapped or a crazy timeout was called.
 

These half second - second + judgment calls by the field officials need to be REMOVED FROM THE GAME.

Solution:  Play Clock hits 0 = automatic Buzzer in the stadium.  The NBA does this for their shot clock.

It should also create more urgency for offenses to make sure they get the snap off. 

 

True. But it gave us 7 points with the Beasley TD 

Edited January 16, 2023 by LondonBill

[Punch]

49 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:

00.00.99.  Clock will say zero but still .99 tenths of second before it all zeros out.  Weird but that’s the explanation i heard on a podcast a while back from an ex ref

This makes sense but it isn't clear to the viewing audience or anyone in the stadium. Even the announcers are confused. Maybe displaying the play clock in tenths of a second would provide clarity.

[Ralonzo]

1 hour ago, jayg said:

When the play clock strikes zero all of the referees shall receive an electric shock. That will solve it.

Oh I'm gonna need to hack that button.

 

 

Edited January 16, 2023 by Ralonzo

[Dan Darragh]

2 hours ago, StHustle said:

Which is ridiculous. Either switch two two decimal point clocks or have some sort of light go off so it’s more obvious when that last second is gone. It could then be reviewable to see if the ball is hiked before the light goes off. Relying on refs to count that final second in their heads leaves room for a huge margin of error.

I think we should go to three or four digits after the decimal

[RJ (not THAT RJ)]

2 hours ago, Wraith said:

If the NFL actually enforced the play clock like the NBA enforced the shot clock, then Dorsey would adjust. Teams know they get that extra second (or more) and it affects their behavior.

 

The only explanation for why the NFL still calls it this way is because they want it to remain subjective so they can ignore it when it suites the leagues needs.

 

I find it very appropriate that we are having this discussion as we prepare for the Bills to play Cincy in the playoffs, since that game included one of the most painful delay of game flags in league history....

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

3 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Okay enough is ENOUGH.  How many times yesterday was the clock at 0 and then the ball was snapped or a crazy timeout was called.
 

These half second - second + judgment calls by the field officials need to be REMOVED FROM THE GAME.

Solution:  Play Clock hits 0 = automatic Buzzer in the stadium.  The NBA does this for their shot clock.

It should also create more urgency for offenses to make sure they get the snap off. 

Not sure I want anything that Belicheat can manipulate….

[Billz4ever]

7 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Okay enough is ENOUGH.  How many times yesterday was the clock at 0 and then the ball was snapped or a crazy timeout was called.
 

These half second - second + judgment calls by the field officials need to be REMOVED FROM THE GAME.

Solution:  Play Clock hits 0 = automatic Buzzer in the stadium.  The NBA does this for their shot clock.

It should also create more urgency for offenses to make sure they get the snap off. 

On the delay they were finally forced to call on the 4th down, the clock was on zero for at least an additional two seconds before the flag came.  Ridiculous.

 

Not sure if it's changed the outcome of a game this year, but something like this can and it's just a matter of time before it does.

 

It's the NFL's credibility on the line here.  If they don't address something which should be a no-brainer...throwing a flag if the clock is at zero and the ball is still under center...they're only hurting their own product.

 

If they do nothing, it will have game impacting ripples if not possibly even game deciding repercussions in the future. Guaranteed.

Edited January 17, 2023 by Billz4ever

[1st&ten]

5 hours ago, Bernie Lomax said:

Be careful what you wish for. Josh is often waving to Dorsey to get the play in. 
But what you say makes sense. When did it become ok to put the call in the hands of the officials. It’s math. 

Get rid of Dorsey & that problem would be gone---lol

[Big Turk]

4 hours ago, CSBill said:

So you’re saying it’s “less than zero,” and my math teacher was wrong. I knew it!

 

Typically you get an extra second or so from the official watching the clock because they have to look and see if the ball has been snapped. If it's being snapped at that moment you don't get called even tho it's technically delay of game.

[VaMilBill]

5 hours ago, jayg said:

When the play clock strikes zero all of the referees shall receive an electric shock. That will solve it.

But seriously. There should be a buzzer on their hand for when it hits zero. They feel it and the ball isn’t snapped, penalty automatically. The crazy thing is how slow these refs scans are to the point that they can’t look at the clock and in their peripheral see the ball isn’t snapped