Will DeAndre Hopkins be available this offseason?

[mjt328]

11 hours ago, Southern_Bills said:

Hopefully not, Gabe is what 23? 24? 

 

Diggs and Dhop are past 30, surely an OC can figure out how to use all 3.

 

And yes, I'm just as mad as everyone else Davis dropped a few balls that could have won games, doesn't mean he's trash though.

 

Most NFL players reach their potential at Year 3.

If a guy takes longer, it's usually because they were a bigger project to start with... or there was a lack of playing time in their first couple seasons.  It's hard for me to see Gabe Davis is a late bloomer, because neither of these situations apply.

 

 

In my opinion, he's a decent #2 option compared to most NFL rosters.

For a team who legitimately believes it's in a Super Bowl window, he really should be relegated to the #3 role.  

 

[Gregg]

3 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

Most NFL players reach their potential at Year 3.

If a guy takes longer, it's usually because they were a bigger project to start with... or there was a lack of playing time in their first couple seasons.  It's hard for me to see Gabe Davis is a late bloomer, because neither of these situations apply.

 

 

In my opinion, he's a decent #2 option compared to most NFL rosters.

For a team who legitimately believes it's in a Super Bowl window, he really should be relegated to the #3 role.  

 

 

I think he would be a great #3 if the Bills can get Hopkins. Diggs and Hopkins will get the other teams best corners every week. Davis would be in a one-on-one situation where he should win most of those matchups. Same would go for Knox as well.

[Reed83HOF]

 

 

 

[Warriorspikes51]

5 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

 

 

 

Josh, Von and Diggs should all talk with him.  Von and Josh likely already have

Edited March 27, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[hellofellowbillsfans]

Just now, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

Josh, Von and Diggs should all talk with him 

I'd be surprised if Von and Josh haven't already

[JohnBonhamRocks]

4 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

 

 

I doubt things are moving so slowly this is just happening. Seems like they’d have been doing this for a while now. That, or I’ve let this thread take over my expectations.

[Warriorspikes51]

Hopefully it's Buffalo Soldier day

[Hebert19]

Let's go BBB

[Warriorspikes51]

 

could be something. Could be nothing

[Buffalo_Stampede]

29 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

 

 

This is contract talk time.

[nucci]

1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

could be something. Could be nothing

could go either way. Depends on the spot

[colin]

if we can improve at OT and get hopkins, our O would look like a race car compared to a sports sedan last year.

 

upgrade in the slot, insane upgrade at outside WR, way more height, way more speed (given our two prior signing), much improved pass blocking (just losing saffold is enough for that!) knox starts to become an after thought for Ds, and we have some RBs who can catch passes.  I legit think we break scoring records with that team.

[Goin Breakdown]

58 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

 

 

Goes to show "how close Buffalo is to a deal" 

[billsfan89]

4 hours ago, first_and_ten said:

I'm still not sure that Ken Dorsey can run a top tier offense. He got outcoached badly in the playoff game against the Bengals. 

To be fair to Dorsey he had an Oline that got outright dominated so it is hard to make any offense look good when the Oline can’t block. Even had Dorsey attempted to work around that better the results wouldn’t have been that much better. 
 

Give Dorsey a better Oline and one more significant weapon in the passing game to work with and then I think we will know if Dorsey can operate in the playoffs at the highest level.

[strive_for_five_guy]

21 hours ago, Virgil said:

I have it on good authority that the trade will be finalized on the 154th page of this thread 

It’s go time!!!!

[Reed83HOF]

9 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

Goes to show "how close Buffalo is to a deal" 

 

 

[JerseyBills]

1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

Josh, Von and Diggs should all talk with him.  Von and Josh likely already have

They followed each other on ig according to a few ppl. I'm sure they're pitching the idea of getting the 1st SB in Buf and how he'd be immortalized forever in WNY

[Dr. Who]

6 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

To be fair to Dorsey he had an Oline that got outright dominated so it is hard to make any offense look good when the Oline can’t block. Even had Dorsey attempted to work around that better the results wouldn’t have been that much better. 
 

Give Dorsey a better Oline and one more significant weapon in the passing game to work with and then I think we will know if Dorsey can operate in the playoffs at the highest level.

I don't think that handicap fully explains it, but that and injuries played a role. Also, there's no doubt a learning curve. I hope there is still a day one or two pick used to address the oline. But first, lets go get DHop.

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, nucci said:

isn't that all trades? Come on

Of course, but the rumor is the new AZ GM has been overambitious in his ask and reworking the contract is not an easy obstacle in this case.

[WMDman]

show me the baby

[TOboy]

25 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

Goes to show "how close Buffalo is to a deal" 

It does???

[Virgil]

18 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

It’s go time!!!!

Whoops, typo.  I meant page 163

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, Virgil said:

Whoops, typo.  I meant page 163

The ways of the mystical number require hieratic powers beyond ordinary ken. I am confident you will get resolution on this, though perhaps less sure about 163.

[JoeF]

All this talk about Dhop has made me hungry for IHOP

 

[ddaryl]

6 minutes ago, Virgil said:

Whoops, typo.  I meant page 163

 

3 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

The ways of the mystical number require hieratic powers beyond ordinary ken. I am confident you will get resolution on this, though perhaps less sure about 163.

pg154
1+5+4=  10

 

pg163
1+6+3= 10

OR IS IT 

 

pg172

1+7+2= 10

Maybe pg 181

 

1+8+1 = 10

 

pg 190 or bust

1+9+0= 10

 

the magic of 10s

Edited March 27, 2023 by ddaryl

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, ddaryl said:

 

pg154
1+5+4=  10

 

pg163
1+6+3= 10

OR IS IT 

 

pg172

1+7+2= 10

Maybe pg 181

 

1+8+1 = 10

 

pg 190 or bust

1+9+0= 10

 

the magic of 10s

Ah, this is possible, though Beck Water earlier opined that the gnostic arithmetic was constructed upon a different base number. And there is yet the secret arcana of gematria to consider . . .   

[BeastMaster]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/27/report-deandre-hopkins-receives-permission-from-cardinals-to-seek-trade/

 

Cardinals receiver DeAndre Hopkins continues to be the focal point of trade talk. He now has permission to talk to other teams.

Via Albert Breer of SI.com, Hopkins has received permission to shop his contract elsewhere.

Hopkins has a non-guaranteed compensation package of $19.45 million in 2023. He turns 31 on June 6.

Hopkins, who not long ago was the highest-paid receiver in the NFL, has slipped as the market exploded. And while the market will still generate major dollars for the best of the best, the availability of young, healthy receivers makes it hard to justify giving significant dollars to aging players with injury issues and, in Hopkins’s case, a six-game PED suspension last year.

Even though he insists he didn’t intentionally consume performance-enhancing drugs, the positive test happened. The suspension happened.

Although Hopkins’ salary isn’t guaranteed, the Cardinals may have to pay some of it to facilitate a trade. If they can’t find a taker, they need to ask whether to carry a $30.75 million cap number to keep him on the team — or to cut him, at a cap charge of $22.6 million.

After June 1 (or with a post-June 1 move now), the Cardinals could split the cap hit over two years, $11.3 million in 2023 and $11.3 million in 2024.

For now, the Cardinals prefer to unload the contract while also getting value. To get value, they may have to pay some salary.

For a new team, the challenge may be figuring out a contract that makes Hopkins happy. Part of this process may result in Hopkins realizing the numbers won’t quite be where he thought they’d be.

[Warriorspikes51]

7 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/27/report-deandre-hopkins-receives-permission-from-cardinals-to-seek-trade/

 

Cardinals receiver DeAndre Hopkins continues to be the focal point of trade talk. He now has permission to talk to other teams.

Via Albert Breer of SI.com, Hopkins has received permission to shop his contract elsewhere.

Hopkins has a non-guaranteed compensation package of $19.45 million in 2023. He turns 31 on June 6.

Hopkins, who not long ago was the highest-paid receiver in the NFL, has slipped as the market exploded. And while the market will still generate major dollars for the best of the best, the availability of young, healthy receivers makes it hard to justify giving significant dollars to aging players with injury issues and, in Hopkins’s case, a six-game PED suspension last year.

Even though he insists he didn’t intentionally consume performance-enhancing drugs, the positive test happened. The suspension happened.

Although Hopkins’ salary isn’t guaranteed, the Cardinals may have to pay some of it to facilitate a trade. If they can’t find a taker, they need to ask whether to carry a $30.75 million cap number to keep him on the team — or to cut him, at a cap charge of $22.6 million.

After June 1 (or with a post-June 1 move now), the Cardinals could split the cap hit over two years, $11.3 million in 2023 and $11.3 million in 2024.

For now, the Cardinals prefer to unload the contract while also getting value. To get value, they may have to pay some salary.

For a new team, the challenge may be figuring out a contract that makes Hopkins happy. Part of this process may result in Hopkins realizing the numbers won’t quite be where he thought they’d be.

We can likely find a way to pay him more actual $$$ but lower the cap hit

Edited March 27, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

could be something. Could be nothing

During owner's meetings?

[The Jokeman]

1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

So the trade can be done in the near future but filed as a post-June 1st move to help Arizona's cap if they so choose 

I know you can designate a post June 1st cut but not sure you can on trades. 

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, Solomon Grundy said:

During owner's meetings?

Diggs is probably laughing his head off reading the replies to his tweet.  But, if it's Hopkins related that would be great

[Warriorspikes51]

Would there be a creative way to restructure Hopkins contract with Arizona before they officially trade him?  Or would that cause Arizona to have larger dead cap hits? 

[ndirish1978]

 

[Warriorspikes51]

I'd be fine with giving up  2024 2nd since we should have some comp picks next year hopefully?

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

The exorbitant price was talked about yesterday. No way AZ gets another team to absorb all that salary and gets premium picks ala CMC as well. They will have to come down from that or keep a disgruntled player at a high cost.

[JoeF]

I think Monti Ossenfort (GM Cardinals) is over Brandon Beane's left shoulder in the GM photo taken today that was just posted.  All I am saying is what I am seeing here....

Edited March 27, 2023 by JoeF

[Dr. Who]

Just now, JoeF said:

I think Monti Ossenfort (GM Cardinals) is over Brandon Beane's left shoulder in the GM photo just posted.  All I am saying is what I am seeing here....

Not exactly the meeting at Yalta, but who doesn't like a humorous conspiratorial theory with photographic evidence?

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

Hopefully Beane has dug his heels in and doesn’t overpay to overpay.  Building a WR room with guys over 30 being paid $20 mil each per isn’t the recipe for sustained success.
 

Nothing higher than a 3rd and 5th, with them eating like 40% of his salary this year. Something in that vicinity for an aging, overpaid WR one mistake away from a season long suspension.

[Warriorspikes51]

 

I mean what is he going to say?

[Roundybout]

Ok so yeah Boogie is gone IMO