Seriously disappointed in this board at how many have turned on Allen

[newcam2012]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

As strictly a percentage of their team's offensive production that's true, but those QBs have talent around them that supports the system. Allen is the system imo.

Who does Mahones have as offensive weapons besides Kelce? Mediocre guys at best. Yet, he is able to spread the ball around and be productive because their offensive system which includes play calling is superior to the Bills. 

[GoBills808]

Just now, newcam2012 said:

Who does Mahones have as offensive weapons besides Kelce? Mediocre guys at best. Yet, he is able to spread the ball around and be productive because their offensive system which includes play calling is superior to the Bills. 

His line is above average. Reid is spectacular. Kelce is probably the best to ever do it.

 

Outside Allen we have no other offensive player who is a clear top 5 guy at his position.

[US Egg]

“Seriously disappointed in this board at how many have turned on Allen”

 

Somebody’s looking to move up for a chance at a mystery date with JA.

[newcam2012]

6 minutes ago, Mango said:

You can name me.

 

Allen is why we lost today, and he’s why we lost last week. His decision making has been flawed all the way back to the GB game. I have been going through the all-22 and he’s staring guys down,  or moving his head, looking past guys underneath to try and hit the home run over and over. If all the above hits regularly, you’ll win 50-14 every week. But we can’t hang our hat every week on hero ball. We are attempting too many low percentage throws. It’s catching up to us at the moment. 

 

Your reaction is so thin skinned like I called his mom fat or kicked his dog. 
 

He is stringing together bad games. It happens. He’s a bigger, faster, stronger Brett Favre. He’ll be fine. But there are going to be really high peaks and some valleys as well. As a fan base we will certainly ride the wave. 

 

I haven’t seen much of anything anymore “disrespectful” than what I just posted, and I think it’s reasonable.  

Mango spot on once again. Will be unpopular here but the truth is spoken. 

[Scott7975]

Im not down on Allen.  He's been making some mistakes that lead to losing some games and he has to correct it.  However this is on Dorsey to help correct.  Mistakes happen when you are constantly under pressure to be 90% of the entire offense.  If he is too aggressive then Dorsey needs to call some plays that will take him out of that.  Instead, Dorsey abandoned a working run game for no reason today.

[newcam2012]

6 minutes ago, Airseven said:

It’s the typical emotional pendulum of an interwebs newsgroup. Group-think shifts wildly because of biases and social media influence. More to the point - it’s all so childish.

It was good though when it was spraying super bowl love.

[JoPoy88]

46 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I’m not gonna name names, but there are some pretty stupid comments about our QB around here right now.  I’ve never seen a bigger group of ungrateful cry babies than a bunch of people around these parts the last few weeks.  
 

This guy lays it all on the line on every play.  Yeah, he has had a handful of plays the past few weeks that are not what we are accustomed to seeing from him.  But I see idiotic comments comparing him to Wentz, saying he isn’t living up to his contract, he’s been trash, etc etc.  

 

First, how about some appreciation he even played today, and WITHOUT pain killers in his elbow.  How about how he was the only reason we were even in this game.  How about how he didn’t even look to protect himself despite playing hurt while scrambling to all game trying to win.  He’s a warrior on every play and played hurt today.  
 

How quickly y’all forget what life around used to be before we were blessed with Allen.  How about rallying around our guy?  Don’t have to make excuses for him, he doesn’t either.  But the amount of people straight throwing him under the bus is pathetic.

 

End of the day…despite the offensive miscues…We are essentially 2 missed FGs and a miracle catch by Jefferson (that might have been the greatest catch I’ve ever seen) from being undefeated.  Despite missing half our defense in all 3 losses.  

When we were healthy we were destroying teams.  Offense has had 3 bad second halves in a row, now it’s time for Dorsey and Allen to figure out what is going wrong in the second half and make adjustments.

 

I for one have all the confidence in the world still in Josh that we will figure this out.  

there’s a wide array of irrational opinions here tonight, including some people trashing Allen unfairly. 
 

There’s also people bending over backwards trying to find scapegoats for Allen, or who are waving away a turnover problem that is quickly becoming a trend. 
 

Both groups of people aren’t worth listening to.

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Mango said:

I think Allen makes himself the system at times. Miami, he carried a battered team. Today and last week were rife with bad decisions. 
 

He’s not a dud. He is the franchise. I agree with that. But he’s gotta calm down. 
 

I was psyched after the first half. I thought we were on pace for a great team win against a great team. I thought he’d be like 23/30, 220 yards, 2TD. Nothing spectacular.  But he’s tossing the ball to everybody. No turn overs. Playing within himself. But that didn’t happen…

There is also a HUGE difference between not being perfect and what we got today.

 

I love Josh. But last week and this week he made INEXCUSABLE plays. 
 

This isn’t just being “off.” 
 

If folks wanna say, “Josh wouldn’t be Josh if he wasn’t forcing things,” that’s fine but I don’t agree. We have almost 3 years of tape where he wasn’t tossing balls right into defenders. 
 

Kirk Cousins threw some brutal picks today. Josh has to be better than the Kirk Cousins of the world. Period.

[Victory Formation]

4 minutes ago, Mango said:

You can name me.

 

Allen is why we lost today, and he’s why we lost last week. His decision making has been flawed all the way back to the GB game. I have been going through the all-22 and he’s staring guys down,  or moving his head, looking past guys underneath to try and hit the home run over and over. If all the above hits regularly, you’ll win 50-14 every week. But we can’t hang our hat every week on hero ball. We are attempting too many low percentage throws. It’s catching up to us at the moment. 

 

Your reaction is so thin skinned like I called his mom fat or kicked his dog. 
 

He is stringing together bad games. It happens. He’s a bigger, faster, stronger Brett Favre. He’ll be fine. But there are going to be really high peaks and some valleys as well. As a fan base we will certainly ride the wave. 

 

I haven’t seen much of anything anymore “disrespectful” than what I just posted, and I think it’s reasonable.  

Much patience is required when it comes to QBs. I’m talking years of patience like 10-15 years of patience. Don’t expect Allen to win 7-8 of them like Brady, that’s so unrealistic. How many did Favre, Brees and Young win? Elway won a whole lot of nada mucho until the tail end of his career. The Vikings have been stuck with Kirk freaking Cousins for how long now? It’s hard to find good QBs dude and when you get one you hang onto them!

 

Look, we got our franchise QB for the next decade. There’s going to be up’s and downs, there’s going to be mountains and valleys, highs and lows but the bottom line is, we got our guy! Our first legit franchise QB since Kelly! Rejoice in that! We’ve been in QB purgatory since the freaking 90s dude, relax!

 

Answer me this one question, Mango. If you could have any one Bills player in Bills history in a Buffalo “re-draft” to start this franchise over again, who would you pick? Honest question.

 

My top 3:

 

1. Josh Allen

2. Bruce Smith

3. Jim Kelly

 

I love you @Mangobut <mic drop>
 

😆

[Billsfanatic8989]

Whether it's fair or not, he is always going to be compared to what the guy in KC does. A QB who is (And will be) consistently in our way with respect to potential SB wins. 

 

Allen is right there with him. But J.A. needs that SB. 

 

Edited November 14, 2022 by Billsfanatic8989

[Riverboat Ritchie]

9 minutes ago, Mango said:

You can name me.

 

Allen is why we lost today, and he’s why we lost last week. His decision making has been flawed all the way back to the GB game. I have been going through the all-22 and he’s staring guys down,  or moving his head, looking past guys underneath to try and hit the home run over and over. If all the above hits regularly, you’ll win 50-14 every week. But we can’t hang our hat every week on hero ball. We are attempting too many low percentage throws. It’s catching up to us at the moment. 

 

Your reaction is so thin skinned like I called his mom fat or kicked his dog. 
 

He is stringing together bad games. It happens. He’s a bigger, faster, stronger Brett Favre. He’ll be fine. But there are going to be really high peaks and some valleys as well. As a fan base we will certainly ride the wave. 

 

I haven’t seen much of anything anymore “disrespectful” than what I just posted, and I think it’s reasonable.  
 

 

I wonder what effect week focused mainly on getting back from injury vice preparing for game impacted things?. For parts of game he was phenomenal but for the half of greenback and jets games and even here, he seemed to always want to hit homer and telegraphing throws.  Why we can’t run a freakin slant or screen is beyond me?  

[Rc2catch]

I think the expectations have been too high all season. People really got into the superbowl favorite best roster in the league hype. Then of course they started out firing on all cylinders and looked pretty unstoppable. We had a thread about going undefeated. 
As injuries piled up and chinks in the armor began to show we have hit a slump of bad play. Lot of that is on Allen. There’s posters who have been complaining all year the roster isn’t good enough, some much worse than others. 
Every loss brings out the worst of the worst in fans. 
It’s a long season, Buffalo was never going to play flawless ball for 17 games. Other teams that look amazing now may slump as well or have a rash of injuries. People probably are as sick of me typing this as I am in typing it, but you just need to get hot and start playing your best ball at the right time. 
And they need a little luck on the health side of things as well. Big picture is not easy to see when you’re so caught up in the moment. 

[JoPoy88]

20 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

The first INT was a 4th down call that was DOA no one was open and he had nowhere to go.  So he tried to make a play.  
 

The sneak fumble is a coaching disaster.  
 

The last play I’m also putting on coaches for not calling your best Josh Allen run play - they decide to send 3 WRs to the end zone.  
 

What we’re seeing unfortunately is the defensive head coach has lost the OC we had success with replaced by an OC that is getting out coached and play called for 3 straight 2nd halfs.  
 

We’re not at Tony Dungy needs to be replaced by an offensive HC yet.  But that’s the trend this could get to real quick.  
 

The soul crushing losses are just unacceptable.  The fans don’t deserve any more of this ***t

lol how is the sneak fumble a coaching disaster? It’s a perfectly fine call in the situation - you sneak for 1.5-2 yards to get it off the goalline and kneel and get out of Dodge. 
 

But because Allen and Morse screwed up the most routine of things and we can’t blame them (especially not Josh) the playcall again is criticized, as if by reflex.
 

again, these people are just as bad as those destroying Allen.  
 

 

[gobills404]

Allen is the biggest reason the Bills are contenders. Allen is an elite, top 2 QB in the NFL. Allen’s sloppy play is the biggest reason the Bills have lost 2 games in a row. These things are not mutually exclusive, and acknowledging his poor play doesn’t mean you’re “turning on him”.

Edited November 14, 2022 by gobills404

[Mango]

Just now, Victory Formation said:

Much patience is required when it comes to QBs. I’m talking years of patience like 10-15 years of patience. Don’t expect Allen to win 7-8 of them like Brady, that’s so unrealistic. How many did Favre, Brees and Young win? Elway won a whole lot of nada mucho until the tail end of his career. The Vikings have been stuck with Kirk freaking Cousins for how long now? It’s hard to find good QBs dude and when you get one you hang onto them!

 

Look, we got our franchise QB for the next decade. There’s going to be up’s and downs, there’s going to be mountains and valleys, highs and lows but the bottom line is, we got our guy! Our first legit franchise QB since Kelly! Rejoice in that! We’ve been in QB purgatory since the freaking 90s dude, relax!

 

Answer me this one question, Mango. If you could have any one Bills player in Bills history in a Buffalo “re-draft” to start this franchise over again, who would you pick? Honest question.

 

My top 3:

 

1. Josh Allen

2. Bruce Smith

3. Jim Kelly

 

I love you @Mangobut <mic drop>
 

😆

This is so weird to me and where the conversation goes off the rails.

 

Allen sucked today. 
 

He might also be the best player in team history.

 

Of course you pick Allen number one to restart the Bills franchise. 
 

All of those things are true at the exact same time. And not one of them affects the fact that he wasn’t good today or last Sunday. And not being good two or three weeks in a row doesn’t change his historical status with the franchise. 

[Big Blitz]

5 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

lol how is the sneak fumble a coaching disaster? It’s a perfectly fine call in the situation - you sneak for 1.5-2 yards to get it off the goalline and kneel and get out of Dodge. 
 

But because Allen and Morse screwed up the most routine of things and we can’t blame them (especially not Josh) the playcall again is criticized, as if by reflex.
 

again, these people are just as bad as those destroying Allen.  
 

 

 

You don’t put the freaking players in the situation with highest likelihood of disaster.  And the snap was that situation.  
 

Your QB had a bum elbow.  Let’s put him where 6 Vikings who are selling out completely yea let’s let him run into that.  He’s put the ball on the ground enough in his career to know better in that situation. 
 

Put him in shotgun.  Or run a run play - oh right.  We have zero faith in the run game.  

Edited November 14, 2022 by Big Blitz

[Mango]

6 minutes ago, Riverboat Ritchie said:

 

I wonder what effect week focused mainly on getting back from injury vice preparing for game impacted things?. For parts of game he was phenomenal but for the half of greenback and jets games and even here, he seemed to always want to hit homer and telegraphing throws.  Why we can’t run a freakin slant or screen is beyond me?  

So we are running them. He’s just not throwing them. Like you said, constantly looking for the home run throw.

 

He is clearly a talented dude. But he’s got to start playing within himself and within the team again. 

[stevestojan]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I’m not gonna name names, but there are some pretty stupid comments about our QB around here right now.  I’ve never seen a bigger group of ungrateful cry babies than a bunch of people around these parts the last few weeks.  
 

This guy lays it all on the line on every play.  Yeah, he has had a handful of plays the past few weeks that are not what we are accustomed to seeing from him.  But I see idiotic comments comparing him to Wentz, saying he isn’t living up to his contract, he’s been trash, etc etc.  

 

First, how about some appreciation he even played today, and WITHOUT pain killers in his elbow.  How about how he was the only reason we were even in this game.  How about how he didn’t even look to protect himself despite playing hurt while scrambling to all game trying to win.  He’s a warrior on every play and played hurt today.  
 

How quickly y’all forget what life around used to be before we were blessed with Allen.  How about rallying around our guy?  Don’t have to make excuses for him, he doesn’t either.  But the amount of people straight throwing him under the bus is pathetic.

 

End of the day…despite the offensive miscues…We are essentially 2 missed FGs and a miracle catch by Jefferson (that might have been the greatest catch I’ve ever seen) from being undefeated.  Despite missing half our defense in all 3 losses.  

When we were healthy we were destroying teams.  Offense has had 3 bad second halves in a row, now it’s time for Dorsey and Allen to figure out what is going wrong in the second half and make adjustments.

 

I for one have all the confidence in the world still in Josh that we will figure this out.  

I’m pretty sure he has a girlfriend, bro. 

[Mango]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

 

You don’t put the freaking players in the situation with highest likelihood of disaster.  And the snap was that situation.  
 

Your QB had a bum elbow.  Let’s put him where 6 Vikings who are selling out completely yea let’s let him run into that.  He’s out the ball on the ground enough in his career to know better in that situation. 
 

Put him in shotgun.  Or run a run play - oh right.  We have zero faith in the run game.  

I assume you mean call a run play with Allen behind center since you said “shotgun or”

 

You do realize that there would still have to be a direct exchange in that scenario, right? 

[JoPoy88]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

 

You don’t put the freaking players in the situation with highest likelihood of disaster.  And the snap was that situation.  
 

Your QB had a bum elbow.  Let’s put him where 6 Vikings who are selling out completely yea let’s let him run into that.  He’s out the ball on the ground enough in his career to know better in that situation. 
 

Put him in shotgun.  Or run a run play - oh right.  We have zero faith in the run game.  

if executing a snap and ball transfer and pressing forward to get a yard, maybe 2 constitutes the highest likelihood for disaster then this team is in big trouble. And of course you bring up the injury as another excuse. 

[newcam2012]

6 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

Im not down on Allen.  He's been making some mistakes that lead to losing some games and he has to correct it.  However this is on Dorsey to help correct.  Mistakes happen when you are constantly under pressure to be 90% of the entire offense.  If he is too aggressive then Dorsey needs to call some plays that will take him out of that.  Instead, Dorsey abandoned a working run game for no reason today.

Agree for the most part. However, I am down on Allen for a couple of reasons. (1) this is two and a half games of poor play. That includes 6 INTs in the most important of situations. Frankly losing the game or if you will preventing the Bills from winning. (2) Allen is not a rookie anymore. Hes a seasoned veteran with arguably the best talent in the game. These mistakes are inexcusable, rookie like, and difficult to understand. It's not just one bad game here. It's more like 3 to 4. Pitt, Miami, Jets, and Minn. Almost seems like the Bills and Allen left everything on the table after the KC win. 

 

17 minutes ago, FireChans said:

There is also a HUGE difference between not being perfect and what we got today.

 

I love Josh. But last week and this week he made INEXCUSABLE plays. 
 

This isn’t just being “off.” 
 

If folks wanna say, “Josh wouldn’t be Josh if he wasn’t forcing things,” that’s fine but I don’t agree. We have almost 3 years of tape where he wasn’t tossing balls right into defenders. 
 

Kirk Cousins threw some brutal picks today. Josh has to be better than the Kirk Cousins of the world. Period.

Well said!

[LABILLBACKER]

54 minutes ago, Process said:

Allen has been bad..he's made some horrible decisions. But he IS this franchise. He is this entire team. He'll rebound like he did last year.

 

Beane failed him in the off-season by not getting him protection and weapons. And coaches are failing him now with horrible game planning, management and play calling. 

 

THAT is the problem and what could keep this team from winning the Superbowl.

 

This is exactly what's going on.  Well said Process. Coaches expect their Superman to be 100% of our offense.  Josh is trying too hard to meet these unrealistic expectations without the OL, RB, OC, 2nd half adjustments to help him. He's pressing and the INT's are a byproduct of this.  Josh also has some blame because he's neglected the checkdowns that we're successful before.  The coaches have to intervene delicately without giving Josh the illusion that they're "neutering" him.  

[Big Blitz]

4 minutes ago, Mango said:

I assume you mean call a run play with Allen behind center since you said “shotgun or”

 

You do realize that there would still have to be a direct exchange in that scenario, right? 

 

But because it was a sneak the pressure to snap and then drive forward has increased.   
 

He should have been in the gun   

[Mango]

3 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Agree for the most part. However, I am down on Allen for a couple of reasons. (1) this is two and a half games of poor play. That includes 6 INTs in the most important of situations. Frankly losing the game or if you will preventing the Bills from winning. (2) Allen is not a rookie anymore. Hes a seasoned veteran with arguably the best talent in the game. These mistakes are inexcusable, rookie like, and difficult to understand. It's not just one bad game here. It's more like 3 to 4. Pitt, Miami, Jets, and Minn. Almost seems like the Bills and Allen left everything on the table after the KC win. 

 

Well said!

I am really perplexed. I’m currently putting a lot of responsibility on him, but I’m not “down on him”. In my mind “down” is sort of “moving on” or thinking “he doesn’t have it”. So in that sense, I am very much high on Allen.

 

But to your point.

 

I don’t get it. We’ve seen him matriculate the ball this season. Get everybody and their mothers involved.
 

7 players caught the ball against LAR. Including 6 receptions from Moss.

 

11 players were targeted against TEN. Including Gilliam and Morris. 
 

But now, we’ve just woken up and suddenly we’re throwing balls right to defenders multiple games in a row. The second half today he targeted Diggs 9 or 10 times and didn’t target anybody else more than once or twice (That’s a quick scan of the play by play. Somebody will have to check that)

[newcam2012]

10 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

You don’t put the freaking players in the situation with highest likelihood of disaster.  And the snap was that situation.  
 

Your QB had a bum elbow.  Let’s put him where 6 Vikings who are selling out completely yea let’s let him run into that.  He’s put the ball on the ground enough in his career to know better in that situation. 
 

Put him in shotgun.  Or run a run play - oh right.  We have zero faith in the run game.  

You can't run the ball in that situation. Too risky. You only had two good options. One was the sneak they ran. The other was shotgun and have Allen roll out to his throwing side with a tight end or wide receiver in the flat. Allen can decide to run if there's sn opening, pass the ball if the pass catcher is wide open, or just throw the ball away. Both plays have risks. Of course, the fumble we saw and there could be a blitzing defensive player that doesn't allow Allen out of the pocket. Either choice should have easily amounted to a victory. Leave it to the Bills to give another game away. Ellie teams just don't blow games like this. This team seems really overrated at this point. Their lines have holes, secondary is decimented with injuries, WR and RB depth is questionable, Allen is hurt, and the coaches are average. Hopefully, this team can get healthier and execute and play better. It's very possible but right now it feels a little morbid.

[Big Blitz]

Something is way off with the failure to replace Beasley and our lack of the use of the slot.  
 

Coaching.  

[newcam2012]

8 minutes ago, Mango said:

I am really perplexed. I’m currently putting a lot of responsibility on him, but I’m not “down on him”. In my mind “down” is sort of “moving on” or thinking “he doesn’t have it”. So in that sense, I am very much high on Allen.

 

But to your point.

 

I don’t get it. We’ve seen him matriculate the ball this season. Get everybody and their mothers involved.
 

7 players caught the ball against LAR. Including 6 receptions from Moss.

 

11 players were targeted against TEN. Including Gilliam and Morris. 
 

But now, we’ve just woken up and suddenly we’re throwing balls right to defenders multiple games in a row. The second half today he targeted Diggs 9 or 10 times and didn’t target anybody else more than once or twice (That’s a quick scan of the play by play. Somebody will have to check that)

I'm not in the camp that Allen doesn't have it. That's absurd. I'm down on his recent play mostly because of the inexcusable turnovers. I just didn't expect this from Allen.

[DrPJax]

1 hour ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Cmon Alpha, I love Josh too, but he is playing really poorly at times right now.  He's been pretty reckless with the ball all year.  There is no excuse for the goalline fumble and the INTs these past two weeks. Just brutal mistakes in the red zone no less.  Without Josh we do not stand a chance. However, he lost today's game and was not good last week.    

Good points.  Hey, you can’t lead the league in ints, and think that’s good and Josh has no role in losing.  He didn’t get to leading the league in ints by just todays results, it’s a pattern of poor communication from coaches at critical times , and Josh being unwilling to situationally stay patient.  Early in games with no pressure, where communication errors are less likely , we build leads.  But we keep making mental errors and our inability of our rookie OC to develop a reasonable run scheme and commit to it throughout 4 quarters leads to blowing leads etc.  

 

It’s 4 -5 years of this., every year this team blows some very winnable game and they can’t come out on top in these heartbreakers. It’s something wrong with the process of communication.and decision making. Josh is PART  of that process; he is a great player but at 5 years these mental breakdowns ( ints, fumbles) are resulting from something in the process.  Mcd needs to get this corrected or he will limit his coaching future.   Allen must improve in late game situations. We are still losing most close games and that’s something most thought of as highly successful  Qbs do become proficient at. He has the raw talent, , can’t excuse all these ints.  Not unfair to be critical of his decision making 5 years in. Dorsey is complicating his development some this year.  It’s the elephant in the room. 

[Freddie's Dead]

The board is completely imploding.  Edmunds, McKittrick, and Gabe were the whipping boys early this season.  they moved on to calling Tre' a puss and JA a $250M mistake.  Bless their hearts.  Now Dorsey.....

[Dr.Sack]

Allen is a good player who is making careless turnovers against good teams where the margin for error is slim. I love Allen, never will question his heart. What I do question is his recent game decision making and attribute at least some of it to the coaching which in turn is pushing him into Superman mode. 

[Bad Things]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I’ve never seen a bigger group of ungrateful cry babies than a bunch of people around these parts the last few weeks.  
 

I agree 100%

 

I'm blown away by the soft fans on this board.  It wasn't always the case.  There seem to be a lot of newbies that have no idea how good we have it with our current team and coaches.

 

There were a handful that said they were done with the team after today's loss.

I really hope they stay true to their words and don't come back.  No reason to have those kinda fans here anyway.  Just like NFL expansion... they just water down the talent level on the field. 

 

 

Let's go Buffalo!

 

 

Oh... and I still love you, Josh Allen!

 

 

[Aussie Joe]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

Something is way off with the failure to replace Beasley and our lack of the use of the slot.  
 

Coaching.  

They tried to replace him with Crowder 

 

He got injured .. like Beasley could have when he was here …

 

Injuries are killing them 

[MJS]

Hey, he deserves criticism. His turnovers are killing the team. He is a great player and I don't want a different QB for the next decade plus, but he has to be better. I'm not asking him to be anything inhuman. Throwing two INT's per game lately is what BAD QB's do, not good QB's. Certainly not elite QB's. Turnovers are the #1 most impactful thing in football. He is flat out hurting the team with his bad INT's. We win that game if he doesn't throw those INT's. Same with last week.

[Brand J]

When Mahomes went through his bad stretch last year, he was misreading defenses and missing open players… but he was never throwing 2+ INTs per game, much less directly to defenders.

I thought Allen came out focused, aside from that first tipped pass where he missed the defender, but after that he reverted back to the Allen of the past two weeks, against an underwhelming Vikings defense.

 

If these two teams had met earlier in the season, before halftime of the Packers game, the Vikes would’ve been eviscerated, the Bills were riding high on confidence and in a completely different head space. I wouldn’t be surprised if the current rendition of these Bills struggles against the Browns and Lions. 

[transplantbillsfan]

Allen’s in a funk. It happens to every QB.

 

I think/hope most can see that while Allen played a large part in losing us this game, we wouldn't have even been remotely in this game without him. Anyone thinking Keenum would have won us that game is an idiot.

 

8 games left. Josh get your head right and end the funk, please.

 

 

[MJS]

18 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Allen’s in a funk. It happens to every QB.

 

I think/hope most can see that while Allen played a large part in losing us this game, we wouldn't have even been remotely in this game without him. Anyone thinking Keenum would have won us that game is an idiot.

 

8 games left. Josh get your head right and end the funk, please.

Yes he is in a funk, but no, it doesn't happen to every QB this way. He threw two INT's three weeks in a row. That doesn't often happen to the best QB's in the game. It happens to some of the bad ones. He is playing badly and he needs to get it turned around. This is almost the worst I have ever seen him.

 

If it was just one game, sure. But it is three games in a row now. He has reverted to hero ball Josh Allen. And while that is exciting at times, it is also dangerous.

 

I'm a big Allen supporter and a big McDermott supporter and I always will be, but Allen is costing the team wins. Without his turnovers, the Bills would be 3-0 the past three weeks, not 1-2. Heck, just take half of them away and we would be 3-0. This team has other issues for sure, but issue #1 is Allen being careless with the football.

Edited November 14, 2022 by MJS

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

And correction, he’s struggled in second half the last 3 games, he’s been very good still in the first half in all 3 games with at least 2 TDs in each

 

I mostly agree. But he did have one of the worst INT's I've ever seen on our first drive of the game against the Jets that likely cost us at least 3 points. His INT's in these last 3 games with the exception of the 4th down INT today (had to throw it) have been mind boggling. I have faith he will work out of it and at the same time I am kind of convinced Allen will always have these problems. 

 

I've been saying for a while now he will rip our heart out many times but he'll also be the reason for joy many more. I don't expect his style of play to change. But he certainly won't always make the kind of mistakes he is now at the rate that he is.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Josh was the MVP leader until the 2nd half of GB. So we’re talking 2.5 games. Up until that moment he was using the RB to dump it off quickly if the game situation called for it. 

 

He’s not taking those free yards like he was. When he’s taking those free yards he’s at his best. We saw it perfectly on the final drive. He had the free yards open but forced it when he didn’t have to.

 

Mahomes kind of went through this where teams would just sit back and make him dunk and dunk down the field. He struggled with that idea. But he got out of it. We’ve got to hope Allen can get out of this. 

Edited November 14, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Aussie Joe]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Josh was the MVP leader until the 2nd half of GB. So we’re talking 2.5 games. Up until that moment he was using the RB to dump it off quickly if the game situation called for it. 

 

He’s not taking those free yards like he was. When he’s taking those free yards he’s at his best.

 

So what changed with Allen? Better not be that he is bored .

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Agree for the most part. However, I am down on Allen for a couple of reasons. (1) this is two and a half games of poor play. That includes 6 INTs in the most important of situations. Frankly losing the game or if you will preventing the Bills from winning. (2) Allen is not a rookie anymore. Hes a seasoned veteran with arguably the best talent in the game. These mistakes are inexcusable, rookie like, and difficult to understand. It's not just one bad game here. It's more like 3 to 4. Pitt, Miami, Jets, and Minn. Almost seems like the Bills and Allen left everything on the table after the KC win. 

 

Well said!

 

Im not going to bash anyone down on Allen but Im not sharing that just yet.  IMO all QBs have some down games.  A lot is on his plate. Different offense even if it using some concepts from Daboll, o line is not that great, they dont utilize the run game even when it is working, skill positions are pretty lacking other than Diggs.  Some of the skill positions are streaky good but inconsistant.

 

For those reasons, even though a big part of the blame does go on Allens plate, I can not totally blame him.  His coach should be helping him with these aggressive bad decisions but it seems to me that his coach is fostering them.  Allen needs to learn that there is a time to be aggressive and a time to take whats given.  I blame that on coaching.

 

Honestly this offensive coaching staff just seems to be bad to me.  You cant tell me for instance that we constantly have the worst backs in the league and cant run the football.  We got what 6 RBs and none of them can run?  I dont buy that.  Cook is rarely if ever utilized.  Dude has talent and speed.  I dont buy that he cant figure the game out just because he is a rookie.  Hines is not a rookie and two weeks in he should have some semblence of the offense.  Every trade around the league has made plays except Hines I think.  That to me says they havent the fogiest clue on how to use a running back.  Then we got Knox who made great plays last year.  He's made what, like 3 plays in 8 games or something stupid small like that?  We cant even run a screen play or a quick slant.  To me this is all Dorsey.

Edited November 14, 2022 by Scott7975