Steel City Mafia Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 I’m sure the bills know by now what’s going on with Allen. Waiting on it to leak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverboat Ritchie Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 27 minutes ago, clayboy54 said: You seem to have missed my whole premise. None of us have EVER seen Case Keenam with a week of preparation and game planning, not to mention playing with all the starters. You can say what you want and dig your heels in, too. You have no earthly idea what he can do with the opportunity. At best, you are on a soapbox. He wasn’t on the roster all pre-season or have years of games played in league? Dude’s a professional and remarkably talented athlete but he is what he is and obviously not at Allen level. Why that is so concerning is that our offense now seems to be very reliant on the “creature “ skills of Josh. I think best we can hope for given what we know of Case, week of prep or not, is if he starts and can game manage well and not turn ball over, the D can win us a few games. Make for a good story though if he and Diggs can beat MN this weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel City Mafia Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Bills are back on the board at DraftKings. Spread is -6. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negan Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 16 minutes ago, Steel City Mafia said: Bills are back on the board at DraftKings. Spread is -6. Vegas is in the know, Allen's playing this week imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 8, 2022 Author Share Posted November 8, 2022 35 minutes ago, Beast said: Tommy John surgery for an NFL QB is not near the recovery time that it is for an MLB pitcher. In fact, if Allen would have to have it, he would miss this season which would suck but would be back at full strength next Fall. Jake Delhomme had TJ surgery years ago and said he felt as good as new in 6 months and played the next season and led the Panthers to a 12-4 record. Likely because the UCL is not used very much in the motion of throwing for an NFL QB. Mostly its the forearm muscles underneath the elbow that help with grip strength. 31 minutes ago, BobBelcher said: Jets, when healthy, at the skill positions outside QB you’ve got: WR- Garrett Wilson, Denzel Mims, Elijah Moore, Corey Davis (definitely a lot of young and developing talent here) RB- Breece Hall, Carter, Robinson (Hall looked like the offensive ROY prior to ACL injury. In fairness this was also before Kenneth Walker’s stock took off though, but he could’ve taken one of those runs to the house against us on Sunday IMO) TE- Yeah.. not so good. But there is definitely a lot of sneaky young talent on that offense and learning to win with it now, they’re learning to involve Garrett Wilson more in recent weeks, and I think it can only get better. QB is still the problem. He had a decent showing against us, but he isn't capable of carrying that team when needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 1 minute ago, Big Turk said: Likely because the UCL is not used very much in the motion of throwing for an NFL QB. Mostly its the forearm muscles underneath the elbow that help with grip strength. Exactly this, at least until QBs start throwing breaking balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPL Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 37 minutes ago, Beast said: Tommy John surgery for an NFL QB is not near the recovery time that it is for an MLB pitcher. In fact, if Allen would have to have it, he would miss this season which would suck but would be back at full strength next Fall. Jake Delhomme had TJ surgery years ago and said he felt as good as new in 6 months and played the next season and led the Panthers to a 12-4 record. Jake Delhomme's arm at its best was about 25% as good as Allen's... but hey, maybe there's the chance of a surgery mishap that turns Josh Allen into Henry Rowengartner, allowing him to throw 100 yard dimes that hit Gabe Davis in the facemask and fall to the turf incomplete. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 1 minute ago, MPL said: Jake Delhomme's arm at its best was about 25% as good as Allen's... but hey, maybe there's the chance of a surgery mishap that turns Josh Allen into Henry Rowengartner, allowing him to throw 100 yard dimes that hit Gabe Davis in the facemask and fall to the turf incomplete. That's not really the point. The point is Delhomme recovered and could play the next season. This was 15 years ago too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPL Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: 8 minutes ago, MPL said: Jake Delhomme's arm at its best was about 25% as good as Allen's... but hey, maybe there's the chance of a surgery mishap that turns Josh Allen into Henry Rowengartner, allowing him to throw 100 yard dimes that hit Gabe Davis in the facemask and fall to the turf incomplete. That's not really the point. The point is Delhomme recovered and could play the next season. This was 15 years ago too. The point definitely landed. I'm just coping through humor... and failing at it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 8, 2022 Author Share Posted November 8, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, MPL said: Jake Delhomme's arm at its best was about 25% as good as Allen's... but hey, maybe there's the chance of a surgery mishap that turns Josh Allen into Henry Rowengartner, allowing him to throw 100 yard dimes that hit Gabe Davis in the facemask and fall to the turf incomplete. The point is more that the UCL isn't used very much in the throwing of a football by a QB so a UCL injury for an NFL QB is far less of an issue than for an MLB pitcher Edited November 8, 2022 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPL Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 1 minute ago, Big Turk said: 11 minutes ago, MPL said: Jake Delhomme's arm at its best was about 25% as good as Allen's... but hey, maybe there's the chance of a surgery mishap that turns Josh Allen into Henry Rowengartner, allowing him to throw 100 yard dimes that hit Gabe Davis in the facemask and fall to the turf incomplete. The point is more that the UCL isn't used very much in the throwing of a football by a QB so a UCL injury for an NFL QB is far less of an issue than for an MLB pitcher Sheesh, guys. I get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Even if this is a relatively minor UCL injury, I would not be surprised if the Bills did not play JA for at least a few games, particularly if there was any chance that playing could cause further injury or aggravation in this situation. The Bills have a long-term investment in JA, so they do have to look at not only this season, but seasons after as well. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 39 minutes ago, Steel City Mafia said: Bills are back on the board at DraftKings. Spread is -6. That’s great, but didn’t we open at -7.5 Sunday night? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 8 minutes ago, MPL said: The point definitely landed. I'm just coping through humor... and failing at it FWIW, I thought that it was funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPL Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Just now, Bermuda Triangle said: 8 minutes ago, MPL said: The point definitely landed. I'm just coping through humor... and failing at it FWIW, I thought that it was funny. Thank you. I needed that today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, mannc said: That’s great, but didn’t we open at -7.5 Sunday night? If Allen is out the line would be min -4 he’s playing ladies and gents ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 we're all one day at a time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 I think everyone can agree we don’t want Allen hurt or missing time, but an injury might be a bit of a blessing in disguise as long as it’s not long term. Simplifying the offense might do everyone some good. Getting back to basics if you will. Little more focus on the run, little more focus on the short game and getting others involved. I hope he’s good to go and doesn’t miss time, but I also hope Dorsey is currently getting his creative juices flowing on how to get everyone involved if Allen is not 100% or going to miss some games. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 7 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: I think everyone can agree we don’t want Allen hurt or missing time, but an injury might be a bit of a blessing in disguise as long as it’s not long term. Simplifying the offense might do everyone some good. Getting back to basics if you will. Little more focus on the run, little more focus on the short game and getting others involved. I hope he’s good to go and doesn’t miss time, but I also hope Dorsey is currently getting his creative juices flowing on how to get everyone involved if Allen is not 100% or going to miss some games. the offense can't get much simpler...drop back to pass, look for Diggs, if covered leave pocket and try to make a play. Getting others involved is a great point and a big part of the problem. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 9 hours ago, chongli said: Haven't read all 35 pages of this thread, but some Dolphins fans are happy that JA was injured and say nasty, untrue things about the Bills Mafia. One poster said JA was noodle-armed and injury prone. One also wants Wilkins to injure Milano. Here are a few comments from their board: https://finheaven.com/threads/dolphins-schedule-a-bit-tougher-with-afc-east-surging.375465/ https://finheaven.com/threads/source-bills-qb-josh-allen-being-evaluated-for-ucl-injury.375466/post-9195931 Fins fans are ***** garbage. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 9 hours ago, chongli said: Haven't read all 35 pages of this thread, but some Dolphins fans are happy that JA was injured and say nasty, untrue things about the Bills Mafia. One poster said JA was noodle-armed and injury prone. One also wants Wilkins to injure Milano. Here are a few comments from their board: https://finheaven.com/threads/dolphins-schedule-a-bit-tougher-with-afc-east-surging.375465/ https://finheaven.com/threads/source-bills-qb-josh-allen-being-evaluated-for-ucl-injury.375466/post-9195931 Trash city, trash organization, trash fans. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 26 minutes ago, MPL said: The point definitely landed. I'm just coping through humor... and failing at it The humor was good. Henry Rowenhartner was a sissy. Do you remember his first ever at bat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, BRH said: Fins fans are ***** garbage. All 5 of them 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 9 hours ago, chongli said: Haven't read all 35 pages of this thread, but some Dolphins fans are happy that JA was injured and say nasty, untrue things about the Bills Mafia. One poster said JA was noodle-armed and injury prone. One also wants Wilkins to injure Milano. Here are a few comments from their board: https://finheaven.com/threads/dolphins-schedule-a-bit-tougher-with-afc-east-surging.375465/ https://finheaven.com/threads/source-bills-qb-josh-allen-being-evaluated-for-ucl-injury.375466/post-9195931 Noodle arm, injury prone is him presumably quoting this board on the topic of Tua. Phins fans went from Brady to Allen. Have some sympathy for them as their hopes and dreams will be shattered and next year the reversion to the mean will be particularly cruel. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: I visit a lot of other forums depending on who the Bills are playing. Ravens, Steelers, Pats, Jets. I can usually get along with them just fine. Except Dolphins fans. They truly are all a-holes... The only other team's forum I've visited was the Chiefs'. I was perma-banned the same day I registered. They are horrible, horrible people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOTONE Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Hearing out 2-3 weeks wont need surgery but strained UCL. Cant confirm yet unfortunately. Take it with a grain of salt... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Josh is going to be on kyle brandts basement today. Can't see him doing that if it was significant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Just now, BUFFALOTONE said: Hearing out 2-3 weeks wont need surgery but strained UCL. Cant confirm yet unfortunately. Take it with a grain of salt... that makes sense to me. Considering that they will get the super long layoff after thanksgiving too, that is probably the smart move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPL Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 17 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: The humor was good. Henry Rowenhartner was a sissy. Do you remember his first ever at bat? I mean, he was a 12-year-old facing 100 mph heat... and he wasn't taking PEDs... how would you expect that first at bat to go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, BUFFALOTONE said: Hearing out 2-3 weeks wont need surgery but strained UCL. Cant confirm yet unfortunately. Take it with a grain of salt... Hearing from whom? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 5 minutes ago, BUFFALOTONE said: Hearing out 2-3 weeks wont need surgery but strained UCL. Cant confirm yet unfortunately. Take it with a grain of salt... If that’s true, and the Bills lose the next three games, they may have to win out to make the playoffs. But that’s a lot of assumptions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Casey D said: No the real irony is how many in Bills Mafia are weenies. Who knew the once stout folks of WNY had so declined. Jump on tables sure, but a little adversity and they crap the bed. Based on all information-- some good some bad-- my worthless opinion is that Allen has a Grade 1 UCL sprain and may miss a game or two. 50/50 to play Sunday. I think your self-identified worthless opinion has more merit than many. I'm concerned based solely on uncharacteristic off-target and dirted throws, that he had a low-level injury stemming from the 2nd half or end of the 1st half vs. the Packers, not something that caused him to get extra treatment or be limited in practice. But adding the two would be a wild card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 1 minute ago, FrenchConnection said: If that’s true, and the Bills lose the next three games, they may have to win out to make the playoffs. But that’s a lot of assumptions. Why would 12-5 be squeaking in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BUFFALOTONE said: Hearing out 2-3 weeks wont need surgery but strained UCL. Cant confirm yet unfortunately. Take it with a grain of salt... Might one ask where you heard? Because there seems to an epidemic of "heard something" going around. Edited November 8, 2022 by Beck Water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Honestly, the Bills should still go 2-1 over the next three games even if Allen misses them. They probably lose to Minnesota and beat Cleveland and Detroit. None of those results are sure things of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 5 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Might one ask where you heard? Because there seems to an epidemic of "heard something" going around. on the internet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Coach Tuesday Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 If Keenum has to play the next 2 weeks, both games are against his former teams, in his (now) home stadium. Kind of compelling. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, nucci said: on the internet Are you @BUFFALOTONE? And even on the internet, there are sources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 This thread is a cesspool of Internet doctors, blatant liars, negative Nancy’s and those that believe none of them. Keep up the great work gang! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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