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9 hours ago, DrPJax said:

I know about most of those things buddy.  But that doesn’t mean the team  was “ loaded “ with bad people as the poster stated.  Obj certainly has a history of drama that follows him and there is a reason he doesn’t stick with teams despite the claims “ teammates like him”.    
 

I wasn’t posting primarily to comment on obj , tho I am not a fan.  I was just saying IMO the 90’s Bills was not loaded with bad people. Kelly was an ass and I knew that just from interacting with him myself. He was caustic but I am only talking about things I personally know. Being caustic is not breaking the law , being removed from a plane suggests illegal behavior and how do you know it was Xanax and prescribed for him?  I have taken and prescribed Xanax and it’s not hard to arouse someone who has taken a prescribed, appropriate dose so something else ( like mixing things is very likely). Time will tell. 
 

Regarding Kelly he also did tons  for Hunters hope and you just want to forget the good!?  Almost every person has done things they wish they shouldn’t have esp when young. Bruce is a model Person now as is KElly.by most accounts.  So yes Smith got a dui , but does that make him terrible from that point on, and did that mean the team was loaded with bad guys ?    I didn’t know about drug stuff but how would I?   DOES THAT MEAN A LARGE AMOUNT OF THE TEAM was involved?  Was he convicted , was it proven  or are you just talking about allegations.?   I’m not aware he was convicted so I won’t question his character just based on an investigation or allegation.

 

What about talking about guys like Frank, Kelso, Tasker, Hull, Marv Bebee ? Noticed you chise only examples of a few guys who made mistakes.  Again doesn’t seem like the team was” loaded “ with bad people. Marv was the leader and I would say every bit as good as mc d is now from a character standpoint. 
 

All I was commenting on is controversy continues all the time with obj , and this is another incident even as he is job hunting! Hey I don’t care if he took Xanax , LEGALLY and  LEGALLY has a script for it !  The truth is usually somewhere in the middle and I am sure it’s possible the airline over reacted as well.  To say the 90’s Bills team was “ loaded” with bad guys is hyperbole unless you or the OP have articles on the majority of the players backing that up ,  not stories or anecdotes about a few of them. So ifBennett , Kelley ,, Bruce did those things , is that the majority of that team and does that mean the 90’s Bills were loaded with terrible guys?  
 

If they were so terrible , why would you follow them. I know this if Watson was  acquired by the Bills to replace Josh , I would be done with the Bills despite following them since 63.  .   I wouldn’t give them up because of OBJ , but I would not cheer or enjoy watching him play. Just my opinions and I chose not to ignore the many good guys on those 90’s teams. The OP apparently did.  Best wishes  Badolbilz, I have almost always enjoyed your post over all,these years.  😊👍

 

 

I think the larger point here is that you can absolutely have a bunch who behave badly off the field.........even big stars.......mixed with a bunch that are choir boys and still have a winning locker room.   Case in point........I doubt Josh Allen's GF would be cool with JA living like Diggs juggling multiple GF's(putting them up in different rooms in the same hotel LOL) and having kids with baby mama's.  Yet JA and Diggs are tight.   Different strokes.  It was like that with Reich and Kelly.   Reich wasn't ever going to go to one of JK's parties or grab dinner and drinks.......but they were tight in the locker room and good with having breakfast/lunch together.:thumbsup:

 

 

 

 

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I have never been an OBJ guy, and at the beginning of the year when there was chatter about this, I was steadfast against it.

 

But as this season has gone on...with the injuries we have sustained, and with the lack of a true slot/third receiver that we can depend on (sorry, McKenzie), I am now more open to it. 

 

OBJ always has something going on, so the plane thing is just part of what you expect when you sign this guy...not a deal breaker to me at this point. What I do believe he wants is to go where the best deal is, and that will likely be Dallas where he will pay significantly less taxes, and where they might guarantee more.

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1 minute ago, BeastMaster said:

I have never been an OBJ guy, and at the beginning of the year when there was chatter about this, I was steadfast against it.

 

But as this season has gone on...with the injuries we have sustained, and with the lack of a true slot/third receiver that we can depend on (sorry, McKenzie), I am now more open to it. 

 

OBJ always has something going on, so the plane thing is just part of what you expect when you sign this guy...not a deal breaker to me at this point. What I do believe he wants is to go where the best deal is, and that will likely be Dallas where he will pay significantly less taxes, and where they might guarantee more.

 

I would also like the Bills to sign OBJ but for this year only. Wouldn't want him here on a multi-year deal. I think he will get a better offer somewhere else. The latest "rumors" I have seen have him going to either the Cowboys or Giants.

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4 hours ago, CSBill said:

Okay. It sure sounds like he was just asleep. Did he cooperate once he woke up, or became conscious? Yes. I do think it was an over-reaction.

 

So where to now?

  1. Price-wise, you know it will make no difference to Jerry Jones--might even get him a bonus for driving off the other suitors. But the Cowboys are a mirage. And who really trusts Dak Prescott?
  2. There is no reason to consider the Giants, why would he want to go back there? And anyone paying attention can see their season is about to go downhill fast.
  3. Leaving, our Buffalo Bills. If the Von connection is strong, and OBJ is really wanting to clear his name, what better place and better culture to do that? Come, be productive, be a model citizen, play with the best QB in the league, etc. ..... And for the Bills, this little incident may bring the price down a bit?

From a a truly home fanboy perspective, yes! OBJ, come to Buffalo. It's your best opportunity, and it's the place you where you can make the biggest difference.

Best opportunity to play with an elite qb-

 

not the best opportunity to get paid

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18 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

I have never been an OBJ guy, and at the beginning of the year when there was chatter about this, I was steadfast against it.

 

But as this season has gone on...with the injuries we have sustained, and with the lack of a true slot/third receiver that we can depend on (sorry, McKenzie), I am now more open to it. 

 

OBJ always has something going on, so the plane thing is just part of what you expect when you sign this guy...not a deal breaker to me at this point. What I do believe he wants is to go where the best deal is, and that will likely be Dallas where he will pay significantly less taxes, and where they might guarantee more.

 

 

Yeah if it comes down to 2023 and beyond money I'd be shocked if the Bills ponied up even close to the guarantees that Dallas or even the cap strapped Giants could.

 

 What we don't know is whether anyone is ACTUALLY willing to give him any kind of multi-year commitment without seeing him play.

 

 That's just what has been floated out there by his people.

 

 This isn't the NBA......when teams think you are an injury risk in the NFL.........the money typically is not there.

 

 Which is the only reason I still think the Bills are in play.  

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maybe the guy took a sleeping pill and was knocked Out. It must have been a very strong dose if dude doesnt awaken with flight crews demanding he act in any sorta way.

 

They themselves have had to put up with passengers who are abusive and non compliance with them is a no no.

 

Who sleeps THAT hard without drugs right? On an airplane?  *shrugs*

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3 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Airlines have gotten crazy with their abuse of power in situations like this. Have read many accounts of similar things happening where their first move was to just kick the person off the plane and call the police. It's ridiculous.

 

We will see how the facts develop in this case, but, speaking frankly, I have NOT heard/read of many situations where the first reaction is for the steward/stewardess is to kick the person off the plane.  Almost always when I read an article about this kind of situation I see that the person kicked off the plane was not responding to the steward/stewardess, drunk, acting belligerent, etc.  I don't know about you, but I don't want to be on a plane in the air and have someone who is acting belligerent on board. 

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1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

a witness who was on the flight said he was "unresponsive and unruly" whatever that means / if they're no agendas 

 

I mean if he was sleeping that isn't too surprising he was unresponsive...and if they then tried to kick me off the plane and wouldn't let me simply buckle the seatbelt, I would probably be unruly also.

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7 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

I mean if he was sleeping that isn't too surprising he was unresponsive...and if they then tried to kick me off the plane and wouldn't let me simply buckle the seatbelt, I would probably be unruly also.

 

What are the chances of the attorney's story being true when witnesses are starting to say otherwise?  Yeah, factor in agendas and whatnot, but when have you been on a flight where the passenger is acting politely and asked to leave the plane?

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2 minutes ago, Bandito said:

1000000 times this. People defending ODELL are insufferable and deserve to be owned on this thread for claiming he was a perfect citizen and thus OBD must sign him!! This is a serious offense on his end if true. ME ME ME. That is all that guy ever cared about.

 

Do not care.

 

Players around the league say he's a great teammate.  That matters more to  me than off the field attention seeking and any weird plane issues. 

 

I'm all in on offering him a multi-year deal to give Josh Allen a legit #2 WR. 

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Just now, Bandito said:

Good for them and for you, if it makes you feel better. But his actions show other wise. Very bad person and culture ruiner. And why would anyone in the league who's played with him trash him? That makes no sense. Of course they are going to sing his praises. Good riddance. He won't be a Bill. Sorry to disappoint


What is your obsession with trashing the man?  You do NOT know him personally. 
Why are multiple players on the Cowboys Giants and Bills openly telling him to join their team?  

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4 minutes ago, Bandito said:

Good for them and for you, if it makes you feel better. But his actions show other wise. Very bad person and culture ruiner. And why would anyone in the league who's played with him trash him? That makes no sense. Of course they are going to sing his praises. Good riddance. He won't be a Bill. Sorry to disappoint

 

His time with the Rams suggests otherwise. You know...in the place where any of this actually matters. In an NFL Locker room.

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There's a lot of naive comments in this thread. The guy was clearly on drugs or intoxicated. Witnesses said they were physically smacking his face trying to get him to stay alert. If you think this has anything to do with power then you have never owned a business or worked with the public. If someone is slipping in and out of consciousness then there is a very good chance they may need medical attention and if you don't try and help them then you are being neglectful. The guy was partying in Miami and was probably drunk out of his mind, it's pretty obvious 

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Just now, Bandito said:

He is a primadonna who is not a good person. People on here called me out for saying that. I gave numerous reasons why. And now this happens. He isn't worth the headache. Why are you okay with him acting afool?


so because he has a personality that you don't approve of...he is therefore a bad person? Is that how this works?

I don't know how he acted. I wasn't there. 

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6 minutes ago, Bandito said:

Good for them and for you, if it makes you feel better. But his actions show other wise. Very bad person and culture ruiner. And why would anyone in the league who's played with him trash him? That makes no sense. Of course they are going to sing his praises. Good riddance. He won't be a Bill. Sorry to disappoint

 

Yep.  He definitely ruined the Rams culture last year and why they didn't win the Super Bowl.  I knew once McVay brought him to LA, it would ruin their season.

 

Why does Von Miller want a culture ruiner on the Bills? 

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1 minute ago, KDIGGZ said:

There's a lot of naive comments in this thread. The guy was clearly on drugs or intoxicated. Witnesses said they were physically smacking his face trying to get him to stay alert. If you think this has anything to do with power then you have never owned a business or worked with the public. If someone is slipping in and out of consciousness then there is a very good chance they may need medical attention and if you don't try and help them then you are being neglectful. The guy was partying in Miami and was probably drunk out of his mind, it's pretty obvious 


It's possible, but he looks quite sober in the video clip. 

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11 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

There's a lot of naive comments in this thread. The guy was clearly on drugs or intoxicated. Witnesses said they were physically smacking his face trying to get him to stay alert. If you think this has anything to do with power then you have never owned a business or worked with the public. If someone is slipping in and out of consciousness then there is a very good chance they may need medical attention and if you don't try and help them then you are being neglectful. The guy was partying in Miami and was probably drunk out of his mind, it's pretty obvious 

As someone who has been there in the past, my guess is he was hungover/exhausted and then took something extra to sleep through the flight like a benzo or some THC gummies (I'm in California) or something.  I had a pretty intense fear of flying for many years (no longer, thankfully) and I would often take something when boarding the plane for a cross-country flight that I knew would flat out knock me out for 3-4 hours.  If the plane were sitting on the runway for 2 hours, decent chance I'd be out cold or disoriented if a flight attendant tried to get my attention 2 hours later.

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3 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Airlines have gotten crazy with their abuse of power in situations like this. Have read many accounts of similar things happening where their first move was to just kick the person off the plane and call the police. It's ridiculous.

Airline employees are currently being overworked because airlines aren't hiring/getting back to pre-pandemic levels just to make a buck more causing many of the employees to be testy in certain situations. Sad, but true

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2 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

As someone who has been there in the past, my guess is he was hungover/exhausted and then took something extra to sleep through the flight like a benzo or some THC gummies (I'm in California) or something.  I had a pretty intense fear of flying for many years (no longer, thankfully) and I would often take something when boarding the plane for a cross-country flight that I knew would knock flat out knock me out for 3-4 hours.  If the plane were sitting on the runway for 2 hours, decent chance I'd be out cold or disoriented if a flight attendant tried to get my attention 2 hours later.

And that is a very likely explanation. What is not likely is how the lawyer summarized it. They kicked him off the plane for no reason because the flight attendant was on a power trip? Uhhh riiiiiight

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5 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

As someone who has been there in the past, my guess is he was hungover/exhausted and then took something extra to sleep through the flight like a benzo or some THC gummies (I'm in California) or something.  I had a pretty intense fear of flying for many years (no longer, thankfully) and I would often take something when boarding the plane for a cross-country flight that I knew would flat out knock me out for 3-4 hours.  If the plane were sitting on the runway for 2 hours, decent chance I'd be out cold or disoriented if a flight attendant tried to get my attention 2 hours later.

 

I don't *HATE* flying anymore, but I don't like it either.  My usual move is to stay up all night prior to the day of the flight and then pass out on the flight. If it goes down, I will be sleeping.

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2 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

And that is a very likely explanation. What is not likely is how the lawyer summarized it. They kicked him off the plane for no reason because the flight attendant was on a power trip? Uhhh riiiiiight

I generally agree, but it could also be somewhere in the middle.  Hard to say.  But I definitely agree with what you said earlier, if it appears that it could be a medical emergency, the flight crew definitely needs to actively deal with it.  It sounds like that was what they were trying to do initially.  Now, once he was awake and cogent, it becomes an issue of how could they have dealt with the situation to ensure his safety and the safety of the other passengers, while also trying to preserve the dignity of the guy in that moment.  Maybe they did everything by the book?  Maybe he was a complete ass once he was awake?  Who knows.  Overall though, this is much ado about nothing, imo. 

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3 minutes ago, Bandito said:

 

Because he thinks he will help the team win games. But he is not in charge of signing him. If he was THAT good, don't you think the Bills wouldve signed him by now? He is a cancer and a huge liability given how he acts on and off the field with his antics. Thanks

 

He's not gonna do you, bro.

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3 minutes ago, Bandito said:

 

Because he thinks he will help the team win games. But he is not in charge of signing him. If he was THAT good, don't you think the Bills wouldve signed him by now? He is a cancer and a huge liability given how he acts on and off the field with his antics. Thanks

 

How does a cancer help win games?  It doesn't matter if he's not the one in charge of signing him.  Your whole "bad teammate" schtick is just stupid because we currently have a player who has played with him and wants him on our team.  You have it in your head for whatever reason that Von Miller wants a bad teammate and a cancer in this lockerroom.  

 

Your evidence is a blog from cheeseheadtv.com.  I'm going to tell you a story.  My son showed me a blog about why baseball is really America's sport.  He was questioning it because he thinks football is more loved than baseball.  I had to explain him what an opinion piece is and anyone can just write anything on the internet.  It doesn't mean it's true, it's what this person believes themselves.  Some people write things that are bad opinions too...don't just believe everything you read on the internet.  Look at the TV ratings...you'll see what America's real sport is.

Here's the thing...he's 7.  What's your excuse?

 

OBJ has multiple teams going after him.  Multiple players on multiple teams on social media going public about wanting him to come there.  They don't do that for cancers and culture ruiners.  You know who was a cancer and bad teammate?  Earl Thomas.  All Pro safety and once he was cut after one year with the Ravens, no one picked him up again.  He was a 3 time All Pro 1st Team safety, 2x Second Team All Pro and NFL All Decade Team 2010.  No one picked him up because he was a cancer and culture ruiner.  Yet, OBJ has multiple teams trying to court him.  The Giants, who once had him in the organization are going after him too!  That's just teams he's interested in, he could probably sign with any team in the NFL except the Browns.  Two of his former teams, Giants and Rams want him back...quit being so incredibly thick headed.

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6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

How does a cancer help win games?  It doesn't matter if he's not the one in charge of signing him.  Your whole "bad teammate" schtick is just stupid because we currently have a player who has played with him and wants him on our team.  You have it in your head for whatever reason that Von Miller wants a bad teammate and a cancer in this lockerroom.  

 

Your evidence is a blog from cheeseheadtv.com.  I'm going to tell you a story.  My son showed me a blog about why baseball is really America's sport.  He was questioning it because he thinks football is more loved than baseball.  I had to explain him what an opinion piece is and anyone can just write anything on the internet.  It doesn't mean it's true, it's what this person believes themselves.  Some people write things that are bad opinions too...don't just believe everything you read on the internet.  Look at the TV ratings...you'll see what America's real sport is.

Here's the thing...he's 7.  What's your excuse?

 

OBJ has multiple teams going after him.  Multiple players on multiple teams on social media going public about wanting him to come there.  They don't do that for cancers and culture ruiners.  You know who was a cancer and bad teammate?  Earl Thomas.  All Pro safety and once he was cut after one year with the Ravens, no one picked him up again.  He was a 3 time All Pro 1st Team safety, 2x Second Team All Pro and NFL All Decade Team 2010.  No one picked him up because he was a cancer and culture ruiner.  Yet, OBJ has multiple teams trying to court him.  The Giants, who once had him in the organization are going after him too!  That's just teams he's interested in, he could probably sign with any team in the NFL except the Browns.  Two of his former teams, Giants and Rams want him back...quit being so incredibly thick headed.


It's hilarious you received an immediate "thumbs down" from Family Guy man 

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It blows my mind why people sweat this guy. Drama follows him constantly. And it’s never his fault! He’s just misunderstood.

 

I get if for a few months but I would never give him multi years. Also, who even knows what type of player he is at this point either. Wish we could have found a way to get Elijah Moore. That would have been a great pick up. OBJ is like a supermodel in their late 30s. Still hot but not quite the same dating her. 

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5 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

It blows my mind why people sweat this guy. Drama follows him constantly. And it’s never his fault! He’s just misunderstood.

 

I get if for a few months but I would never give him multi years. Also, who even knows what type of player he is at this point either. Wish we could have found a way to get Elijah Moore. That would have been a great pick up. OBJ is like a supermodel in their late 30s. Still hot but not quite the same dating her. 

 

I would have LOVED to land Elijah Moore

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On 11/27/2022 at 5:30 PM, FLFan said:

Nice theory, just does not happen to be true. While fan perceptions are certainly otherwise, the Bills offense has ranked one or two in the NFL all year, in points and yards.  Some good information can be found here:  https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/points-per-game

 

Cool site, has us 4th, which is cool... but our identity is around scoring a ton of points and KEEPING THE CHAINS MOVING... which, we are not doing, and we especially need with as many scabs as we have playing right now.

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On 11/27/2022 at 6:20 PM, DrPJax said:

     Who were all the d bags on the 90 bills?   Maybe some egos, but I don’t recall many having that type of reputation , unless you bothered them in public perhaps.  I mean HOF inductees,  KELLY ( a little caustic) . Thurman , Bruce ( a big ego but hardly a d bag rep) , Reed ( still great guy), Bebee? , Lofton ( met him here in Jax for eagles / pats SB, good guy) , Marv? , Talley ? , Bennett ( met him at at

Atlanta airport AFTER the  SB LOSS TO COWBOYS as we were boarding at same terminal as he was headed to pro bowl. Treated me well but maybe some other off field issues after his career?) ).   But considering 4 years of SB’s and all the autograph hounds bugging them , other than Kelly being a little short tempered , you didn’t hear about them being dragged off a plane losing consciousness, leaving teams, passing out money in a college locker room at LSU, and that’s only a small sample for him.   Plus the Bills didn’t jump from team to team only playing fir “ contenders”.  Those are just off the top of my head and I’m sure there is more. 
 

     Just my opinion tho , maybe you knew them better personally?   Jamie mueller became a pharmaceutical rep and took a pic of the 63 bills I had hanging in my office and got it autographed by one of  the players for me. I have met a few pros over tye years (( best story was on a pjane going to SB 27 in pssedena , MEAN JOE GREEN, came up to my then gf , who looked like a young Hilary Clinton but with a much better body ,😊, and asked her for her autograph on a time mag with Clinton on the cover ! He was extremely polite!
     My experience is if you don’t bug them in their personal time, most are good guys.  I know every team has one or two guys with issues , but I don’t think the Bills “ WERE LOADED” with bad characters; maybe ask Frank reich or Tasker?  Lol!  Horrible guys!   Not sure any of them has the egomaniacal rep OBJ seems to have outside the locker room. Personally I am glad he won’t be on the roster as he has not  been a part or contributed to the team chemistry or gone thre adversity with them. Just a mercenary who continues to be in the headlines usually for BS!, and only is seeking a ring , not to really be part of a team or he would still be with the Rams. 

Obj has done nothing malicious, like any of the Bills you listed, just has a diva reputation which effects nothing in the locker room. Only thing it effects is dorks watching espn, reading a non-story divisive headline.

 

Kelly, Bruce, Bennett have all been well covered. Andre (my fav of all time) has a reputation of being a jerk at times. I take it with a grain of salt, dumb ppl walking up to their table eating stuff happens. But there's enough smoke there.

 

Point is exactly what you said basically. Bills had a few flawed character guys back then, in 2022 they'd make more headlines than this current Bills team, but overall enough good dudes to wash it out.

 

Buffalo isn't going to crumple because ODB did lines with a model 4 years ago, or eagerly wanted out of Cleveland.

 

Nothings changed, kicked off a flight? Dude Flys all the time and had a bad attitude or was drunk. Giant nothing burger, and it'd be stupid to blacklist a talent we need over it.

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On 11/27/2022 at 4:22 PM, Bandito said:

This is amazing. I got ridiculed for saying he is a primadonna and would not fit the culture. Looks like the chickens have come home to roost. 

 

The ball don't lie. 

 

 


My similar opinion was also deflected.

On 11/27/2022 at 7:26 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Kelly was sued for physically assaulting a couple women when he was drunk in 1987.........he left a pile of unpaid bills when his restaurant closed despite having the means to resolve them.........and there were less substantiated stories that were uglier.  JK was never considered a great guy until long after his playing career.

 

Bruce Smith had driving under the influence issues and the Bills at one time had a PI investigating his connection to local drug dealers and he was subsequently suspended for failing multiple drug tests.

 

Cornelius Bennett?   He literally served time for sexual assault.  (how could you not have heard that, at least?:doh:)

 

Not sure where you got the idea that these guys didn't have reputations for significantly worse misbehavior than getting kicked off a plane after taking some xanax. :rolleyes:


Bruce’s best move was falling asleep at a traffic light.

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IMHO:

 

All you need to know, "The Miami-Dade Police Department said Sunday officers were dispatched".

 

Corruption runs rampant there.

 

If you lived through the last 3 years, you understand these "over officious jerks", as Levy would say.  Especially the ones who work on planes.

 

From article:

 

“Never in my life have I experienced what just happened to me… I’ve seen it all. Never. In. My. Life. I COULD NEVER MAKE THIS UP,” Beckham wrote on Twitter.

 

Davilier concluded in his statement Sunday that “sleeping on a plane should not be a cause for removal from a flight.”

 

“If they could wake him up when the flight returned to the gate, then they could have done the same thing to ask him to put on his seatbelt,” Davilier’s message read.

 

I think this is a massive nothing burger, the airline should apologize.

 

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https://nypost.com/2022/11/28/odell-beckham-jr-s-attorney-gives-receivers-side-of-plane-drama/

 

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I think the fact that the Bills signed John Brown, when they already have a full set of healthy WRs, is a pretty good clue they know they're not going to sign OBJ.  

 

On one hand I think OBJ would bring more talent and possibly a win in a game we'd otherwise lose.  Maybe, maybe not.  But he'd be super expensive against the salary cap and would probably cost the Bills one of the key defensive players now coming up for contracts, which would hurt more for years to come.  If the Bills were really hot and were looking deficient at WR, then OK try to get OBJ.  But the Bills are not hitting on all cylinders and it's unlikely OBJ will make enough of a difference to overcome the struggles since the bye week.  OTOH Smoke could be here today and for the next few weeks, and then be gone, without any lingering financial hit.

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