This throw is so good, it deserves its own thread

[stevewin]

The biggest thing about this throw was Diggs was the first option - to go through that progression first, see it's not open, then find Knox and so calmly just drop it in the bucket with the distance, margin, conditions - just ridiculous

[Buffalo Boy]

4 hours ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

My favorite Josh Allen throw so far was in the Thanksgiving game against Dallas in 2019.  We were 8-3 but everyone in the world seemed to think this was the game that would humble us.  Down 7-0 and backed up at our 2 yard line on 3rd and 10 Josh evaded pressure in the end zone and then uncorked a 20-yard line drive to Cole Beasley directly between the outstretched arms of a CB and safety.  Literally anyone else throwing the ball and it's 6 points coming back the other way.

 

 

   Actually my second favorite from my favorite game.

   I can’t even remember the game two years ago where he throw that 50 yarder on a rope and drops it over a Lb or Safety. Craziest pass I’ve ever seen with one from Kurt Warner being the second craziest.
  
    

[Bigvinny]

Was watching the game last night and said the same thing. I think that was his best throw of the game. Just flicks it over a bunch of dudes. Also kudos to Dorsey for the play design.

Edited October 5, 2022 by Bigvinny

[Big Turk]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

So many times I see him make a play and think, how do you stop that? You can’t. 

 

Yeah...and the crazy thing about it is the degree of difficulty is like a 8 or 9 out of 10 but he makes it look like it's nothing...just a routine play we have come to expect from him.

[ChrisWatson#21]

8 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

The bigger the moment, the better Josh is usually.

 

Except on 4th and Goal on the throw to McKenzie last week...but that was under extreme circumstances. I'll give him a mulligan for that.

Fatigued arm like a baseball pitcher after he hits a certain pitch count.  You could tell the heat, amount of pass attempts and running plays got the best of him by the way the ball wasn’t rocketing off his arm as usual.  

[Big Turk]

17 minutes ago, ChrisWatson#21 said:

Fatigued arm like a baseball pitcher after he hits a certain pitch count.  You could tell the heat, amount of pass attempts and running plays got the best of him by the way the ball wasn’t rocketing off his arm as usual.  

 

That type of fatigue from the heat pretty much negatively effects everything you do both physically and mentally

[Bills2022]

8 hours ago, CoudyBills said:

There are a handful that can make that throw.  I suspect there are maybe 2 that can make it with their front foot pointed the wrong direction, no step, flat-footed, and a wrist flick.

 

The majority of NFL QB's can make that throw.  That really is not that difficult a throw with no pressure in his face. The plays he makes with pressure are what differentiates him and the elite QB's from everyone else.  It would be more of a surprise if an NFL QB couldn't make that throw than an NFL QB making that throw. He excels under pressure and while throwing into a tight window.  That throw probably is not even a top 5 in the game.

 

 

Edited October 5, 2022 by Bills2022

[JohninMinn.]

Flick of the wrist. I think it's new to his arsenal. He said he got it from watching Aaron Rogers.

[Bills2022]

8 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

1. Confidence in Dawson to catch it

2. Confidence in his arm get it there

3. Insane skillset that only Rogers has to pinpoint that throw 

 

The throw Andy Dalton made to put us in the playoffs against the Ravens a few years back was a much better throw than this one.  The majority of guys can make that throw.  Not  just Rogers and Allen.  It really is a throw they are expected to be able to make.

 

[Shaw66]

I saw the title to this thread and knew this throw was coming.  He got flat-footed when he pumped, so it was a pure arm throw.  In other words, it was one of those throws where his mechanics were wrong.  Didn't matted.   Just dropped it right in there like it was no big deal.   Amazing throw.  

[BillsPride12]

1 hour ago, JohninMinn. said:

Flick of the wrist. I think it's new to his arsenal. He said he got it from watching Aaron Rogers.

It's funny because when he made that throw I remember thinking the only other guy in the league who could make that throw so effortlessly is Rodgers.  Feels surreal to have a Bills QB possess such elite traits 

1 hour ago, Bills2022 said:

 

The throw Andy Dalton made to put us in the playoffs against the Ravens a few years back was a much better throw than this one.  The majority of guys can make that throw.  Not  just Rogers and Allen.  It really is a throw they are expected to be able to make.

 

Look at Shaw's post below yours to understand why that throw was so incredible 

[LeGOATski]

1 hour ago, Bills2022 said:

 

The throw Andy Dalton made to put us in the playoffs against the Ravens a few years back was a much better throw than this one.  The majority of guys can make that throw.  Not  just Rogers and Allen.  It really is a throw they are expected to be able to make.

 

You're pooping me right now

 

 

[Utah John]

If he keeps this up the NFL will have to let defenses play with 12 men on the field.

[NewEra]

If that throw needs it’s own thread, this thread needs an Emmy.  Most unbelievable moment in tv history.  

 

 

[freddyjj]

20 hours ago, wjag said:

I really didn't like the tackle.  I thought Knox was going to get hurt on that one.

On the injury report and this hit might have been cause. 

[machine gun kelly]

On 10/5/2022 at 8:03 AM, White Linen said:

My son's and I felt the same way live.  "How great was that throw in that situation?"

I know Linen. 
 

This is all I think of when I see Allen make these throws.

 

Stronger than a locomotive, able to leap tall LBers in a single bound.  It’s Super Allen!

Edited October 6, 2022 by machine gun kelly

[Billsfan1972]

13 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

I saw the title to this thread and knew this throw was coming.  He got flat-footed when he pumped, so it was a pure arm throw.  In other words, it was one of those throws where his mechanics were wrong.  Didn't matted.   Just dropped it right in there like it was no big deal.   Amazing throw.  

Maybe that is "his mechanics". 

 

If he doesn't make that throw the Bills are punting and probably a completely different conversation this week. 

[Beck Water]

 

On 10/5/2022 at 7:51 AM, YoloinOhio said:

So many times I see him make a play and think, how do you stop that? You can’t. 

 

And this is my problem with analysis like Brett Kollman that I posted elsewhere.  He saw what the Dolphins did as far as stopping key plays, limiting deeper throws, and having half-a-dozen passes they should have intercepted - when it was 115 degrees on the field and Josh played 40 minutes with no shade when off, and he says "Ah Ha!"

 

But I see a throw like that and ratch back to the Dolphins game and say, half-a-dozen of those throws would have been completions only Josh can make if he only had a fraction more time to set and he weren't being run to the ground, physically

 

I have to say I don't know how Dorsey coached Allen as a QB coach and how Joe Brady is handling it, because Allen's technique is often all wrong and yet the result is All Right!    Kurt Wagner used to drive me nuts nitpicking Josh's technique but he's given up at this point and just throws in an occasional "Kids, don't try this on your home field" to point out that you have to be in a "room of your own" to complete some of those.

Edited October 6, 2022 by Beck Water

[Matt_In_NH]

On 10/5/2022 at 8:35 AM, Einstein said:

I’m not sure i’d really say that was an insane throw. A lot of NFL QB’s can make that throw.

 

But Josh has some throws that I think only he makes. The first one in this video is bonkers:

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a8OwaLppkEE

 

The one to Diggs for the two point conversion is my favorite.

[Taro Nimbus]

As soon as I read the title I knew it would be the Knox catch.  

[Tuco]

On 10/5/2022 at 8:26 AM, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

My favorite Josh Allen throw so far was in the Thanksgiving game against Dallas in 2019.  We were 8-3 but everyone in the world seemed to think this was the game that would humble us.  Down 7-0 and backed up at our 2 yard line on 3rd and 10 Josh evaded pressure in the end zone and then uncorked a 20-yard line drive to Cole Beasley directly between the outstretched arms of a CB and safety.  Literally anyone else throwing the ball and it's 6 points coming back the other way.

 

 

I've always said this too. Thanksgiving was a family affair so let's just say I had to watch the game with people I don't usually watch with. It was early in Josh's career and one family member kept calling him a "big fake." 

 

And yes, the timing of the play was huge. Big game on national TV, down 7-0 still in the first quarter and in danger of punting out of our own endzone, almost assuring we'd go down by 2 scores early in the game. Josh made the play and I've always looked back on it as the one I remember being convinced that Josh wasn't a "big fake."

 

It was just different. EJ Manuel would have undoubtedly dumped it to either McKenzie at the 5 or the RB safety valve at the LOS and hoped for the best. 

 

Trent Edwards was very good at pre-snap decision making, dropping back 5 steps and pinpointing a perfectly timed pass. But when a team would disguise their coverage (which they did a lot of once the book was out on Trent), like showing zone pre-snap but actually blitzing and going to man at the snap, or if the coverage was just that good, Trent was lost. If Trent was the QB there, even if he did avoid the pressure, he would have undoubtedly dropped it short. Then after the game he would have repeated his favorite line about how they showed a lot of stuff we hadn't seen on film, etc.

 

Losman would have decided at that point to launch one to Smoke or somebody 40 yards downfield. Unfortunately, in most cases even if Smoke was open, Losman would have thrown it 45 yards. Too bad I kinda like JP and wished he had better staff and surroundings.

 

Anyway, Josh just gets it done. Sure, he had to learn a little bit and dial down the hero ball. But I wouldn't trade him for anything. And for me it all started with that play in Dallas. What happens when the play doesn't go as planned - which is often in this league? Many QBs struggle. A few of them just make plays anyway - timing and mechanics be damned. That's Josh Allen.

 

Wish I could find a vid of just that play. But it's at the 1:45 mark here. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmVut-6Acp4

 

 

[ArtVandalay]

On 10/5/2022 at 7:24 AM, Dablitzkrieg said:

How the hell does he do it??

 

 

He's an absolute monster.  He's unreal. 

 

Buckle up and enjoy the next 10-15 years. 

[Ralonzo]

On 10/5/2022 at 8:51 AM, Jay_Fixit said:

PFF grade 1.8

 

Interception-worthy throw, mark it.

[Don Otreply]

On 10/5/2022 at 8:15 AM, HOUSE said:

The Throw was okay I guess but Josh was clearly off by 1 and a half inches 

 

 

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Whaduyah work for PFF or something…,

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

1 hour ago, Tuco said:

I've always said this too. Thanksgiving was a family affair so let's just say I had to watch the game with people I don't usually watch with. It was early in Josh's career and one family member kept calling him a "big fake." 

 

And yes, the timing of the play was huge. Big game on national TV, down 7-0 still in the first quarter and in danger of punting out of our own endzone, almost assuring we'd go down by 2 scores early in the game. Josh made the play and I've always looked back on it as the one I remember being convinced that Josh wasn't a "big fake."

 

It was just different. EJ Manuel would have undoubtedly dumped it to either McKenzie at the 5 or the RB safety valve at the LOS and hoped for the best. 

 

Trent Edwards was very good at pre-snap decision making, dropping back 5 steps and pinpointing a perfectly timed pass. But when a team would disguise their coverage (which they did a lot of once the book was out on Trent), like showing zone pre-snap but actually blitzing and going to man at the snap, or if the coverage was just that good, Trent was lost. If Trent was the QB there, even if he did avoid the pressure, he would have undoubtedly dropped it short. Then after the game he would have repeated his favorite line about how they showed a lot of stuff we hadn't seen on film, etc.

 

Losman would have decided at that point to launch one to Smoke or somebody 40 yards downfield. Unfortunately, in most cases even if Smoke was open, Losman would have thrown it 45 yards. Too bad I kinda like JP and wished he had better staff and surroundings.

 

Anyway, Josh just gets it done. Sure, he had to learn a little bit and dial down the hero ball. But I wouldn't trade him for anything. And for me it all started with that play in Dallas. What happens when the play doesn't go as planned - which is often in this league? Many QBs struggle. A few of them just make plays anyway - timing and mechanics be damned. That's Josh Allen.

 

Wish I could find a vid of just that play. But it's at the 1:45 mark here. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmVut-6Acp4

 

 

 

The funny thing is I've watched those game highlights so many times that I knew it was 1:45.  Other big moment of that game for Josh was picking up the fumbled snap on 4th & 1 and willing himself to the first down.  Overall this was probably the most important regular season win of the McD/Beane/Allen tenure.  I think it's the last time that games against good teams were assumed to be losses for the Bills.

[Aussie Joe]

I remember this play when watching the game …. 
 

Is this peak JA or can he still get better ?

[boater]

Where is the "you can't teach accuracy" crowd with this one?

[JohninMinn.]

The plays Josh is making now were once called 'hero ball" and the doubters were many. I think Aikmen said you can't teach accuracy.

Look at Josh now look at him now.😅

[Locomark]

On 10/5/2022 at 6:55 AM, Big Turk said:

 

The bigger the moment, the better Josh is usually.

 

Except on 4th and Goal on the throw to McKenzie last week...but that was under extreme circumstances. I'll give him a mulligan for that.

I still think Josh’s wrist or hand was hurt before that final Miami series and it was something he would never blame or say. That throw was the exact same throw he was perfect on in the Ravens game at the end of the half. 

[Richard Noggin]

55 minutes ago, Locomark said:

I still think Josh’s wrist or hand was hurt before that final Miami series and it was something he would never blame or say. That throw was the exact same throw he was perfect on in the Ravens game at the end of the half. 

Pretty sure his mechanics are very different, though. Can't force a hand injury explanation when a simple, observable fundamental flaw in throwing mechanics explains it already. He rushed it badly on the miss.

[BillsFan692]

Josh allen is the Chad QB

[Since1981]

you just can’t stop him. Only way to beat him is to make the Bills always take 13 play drives and hope some bill makes a mistake. 

[ToGoGo]

On 10/6/2022 at 4:32 PM, Aussie Joe said:

I remember this play when watching the game …. 
 

Is this peak JA or can he still get better ?

 

He can get wiser. Think about how Rodgers and Brady only get a few interceptions a year. Experience will teach him to make better decisions and not overexert himself at all times (running into DTs when we're blowing teams out). 

 

And eventually there is the lesson all championship/dynasties learn in every sport. Win in the regular season but save all your extra energy for the playoffs. Even if that means taking the L when it's not meant to be (aka the Dolphins game). Lose the battle if it's going to hurt you when winning the war aka phyrric victory. 

[Billsfan1972]

1 hour ago, Since1981 said:

you just can’t stop him. Only way to beat him is to make the Bills always take 13 play drives and hope some bill makes a mistake. 

Or they are so worn down by the heat they can barely think......