Safety depth

[clayboy54]

5 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

That could well be his future as it might better fit his skillset. I'm super excited about his future. I know his measureables aren't that impressive, but the same was true of Don Maynard and he's in the HOF. I know that's a remote possibility, but I'd wager he'll be a better player than Levi Wallace before long.

Did you watch the Cleveland-Pittsburgh game? He’s already better than Wallace.

[That's No Moon]

38 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Jaquiski Tartt is out there and he’s an interesting player - also a top-3 name.

He's a box safety

3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

There's a couple of vacant apartments in my mom's retirement community in West Seneca.

It's fairly close to the stadium.

When you are looking for 1 year stop gaps it matters less how old they are. If his foot is healthy and he wants to play he's a better ballhawking/coverage safety option at 35 than most of the people we are discussing.

[ColoradoBills]

9 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

When you are looking for 1 year stop gaps it matters less how old they are. If his foot is healthy and he wants to play he's a better ballhawking/coverage safety option at 35 than most of the people we are discussing.

 

You sure you don't have your McCourty brothers mixed up?

[buffaloboyinATL]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

Jaquan Johnson will get his shot first. If that fails, once White comes back maybe they try Benford at safety. We have a deep and versatile secondary. More likely than not the solution is already on the roster.

He won’t fail. He will shine! 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

If my feet are on the bottom, it's not a 'safety depth' if my nipples are covered by water.

[TBBills]

Bills have the deepest roster in the league...

 

"OMG we have no depth!" 

 

This ***** funny.

[GreggTX]

Here are the top 4 safety FA's listed in the current Madden roster file along with their age and overall rating for what it's worth. Keep in mind that players that don't see the field often get lower ratings than they deserve until they get to display their ability more often. All 4 of these guys are listed at SS and might not be the best fit. All other FA safeties are rated 73 or lower. Our highest rated S after 21 and 23 is Johnson who is overall 68. Damar is 66 -- very weak ratings and probably not accurate. Also, I wonder if they would use a typical SS and adjust schemes if that were an option and let Poyer play FS.  Or they could just bring in a reliable backup and go with that.

 

Anthony Harris, 30, 80

Landon Collins, 28, 78

Tony Jefferson, 30, 76

Bradley McDougald, 31, 75

[Doc Brown]

If the Bengals season goes sideways Jessie Bates would be interesting if Johnson struggles.  No long term commitment needed.  Somehow they can make it work with the cap.

[MPL]

I said this another thread, but dropping it here as well:

• Micah Hyde was a 5th round pick who never earned a full starting role in Green Bay. In McDermott's and Frazier's defense he shined. 
• Jordan Poyer was drafted in the 200s and was primarily a backup journeyman to start his career. In McDermott's and Frazier's defense he shined. 
• Levi Wallace was a 7th round draft pick. Maybe he didn't shine, but In McDermott's and Frazier's defense he played well above his projection. 
• Christian Benford was a 6th round draft pick. It's still early, but In McDermott's and Frazier's defense, he looks like he will shine. 

If there is any positional group on this team where I believe a significant injury can be weathered, it is the secondary. Jaquan Johnson has been in the system for 3 full years and learning behind two of the absolute best. He'll give up some plays and make some mistakes, but I have a feeling he is going to ball out in this defense. And if there's a drop off from Micah to Jaquan, I anticipate it only being a small drop-off. 

 

I don't see them moving Benford or Jackson to safety... they like them too much at corner. This is Johnson's time to shine. If Johnson struggles, maybe they look to make a trade... but with the cap where it's at, I don't think they swing for any big name players.

 

But again, I've got a growing feeling that #4 is going to hit the ground running. 

[GunnerBill]

17 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

Here are the top 4 safety FA's listed in the current Madden roster file along with their age and overall rating for what it's worth. Keep in mind that players that don't see the field often get lower ratings than they deserve until they get to display their ability more often. All 4 of these guys are listed at SS and might not be the best fit. All other FA safeties are rated 73 or lower. Our highest rated S after 21 and 23 is Johnson who is overall 68. Damar is 66 -- very weak ratings and probably not accurate. Also, I wonder if they would use a typical SS and adjust schemes if that were an option and let Poyer play FS.  Or they could just bring in a reliable backup and go with that.

 

Anthony Harris, 30, 80

Landon Collins, 28, 78

Tony Jefferson, 30, 76

Bradley McDougald, 31, 75

 

Anthony Harris was elite in his prime. So I'd be willing to kick the tires there. 

[Coach Tuesday]

47 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

He's a box safety

When you are looking for 1 year stop gaps it matters less how old they are. If his foot is healthy and he wants to play he's a better ballhawking/coverage safety option at 35 than most of the people we are discussing.

SF had him playing deeper and he did well.

[Rc2catch]

4 minutes ago, MPL said:

If there is any positional group on this team where I believe a significant injury can be weathered, it is the secondary. Jaquan Johnson has been in the system for 3 full years and learning behind two of the absolute best. He'll give up some plays and make some mistakes, but I have a feeling he is going to ball out in this defense. And if there's a drop off from Micah to Jaquan, I anticipate it only being a small drop-off. 

Well said. Anyone they pickup likely never reaches the knowledge and comfort level Johnson already has in this defense. 

[Dan Darragh]

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Jaquiski Tartt is out there and he’s an interesting player - also a top-3 name.

1. D'Brickashaw Ferguson

2. Barkavious Mingo

3. Preston Riedelhuber

4. Equanimeous St. Brown

 

Sorry, he's no better than fifth.

[That's No Moon]

39 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

You sure you don't have your McCourty brothers mixed up?

Yes I'm sure. I realize he mostly played corner in his career.

[boyst]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

F it.

 

Add more d linemen. 

 

We can't have enough.  

But whos going to throw them the ball?!? 

[MPL]

13 minutes ago, MPL said:

I said this another thread, but dropping it here as well:

• Micah Hyde was a 5th round pick who never earned a full starting role in Green Bay. In McDermott's and Frazier's defense he shined. 
• Jordan Poyer was drafted in the 200s and was primarily a backup journeyman to start his career. In McDermott's and Frazier's defense he shined. 
• Levi Wallace was a 7th round draft pick. Maybe he didn't shine, but In McDermott's and Frazier's defense he played well above his projection. 
• Christian Benford was a 6th round draft pick. It's still early, but In McDermott's and Frazier's defense, he looks like he will shine. 

If there is any positional group on this team where I believe a significant injury can be weathered, it is the secondary. Jaquan Johnson has been in the system for 3 full years and learning behind two of the absolute best. He'll give up some plays and make some mistakes, but I have a feeling he is going to ball out in this defense. And if there's a drop off from Micah to Jaquan, I anticipate it only being a small drop-off. 

 

I don't see them moving Benford or Jackson to safety... they like them too much at corner. This is Johnson's time to shine. If Johnson struggles, maybe they look to make a trade... but with the cap where it's at, I don't think they swing for any big name players.

 

But again, I've got a growing feeling that #4 is going to hit the ground running. 

This also might just be me trying to make myself feel better lol. 

[GolfandBills]

They can also sign Josh Thomas back to the active roster if they want.  He’s on Cardinals PS.  

[wppete]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Benford can add safety depth too imo when Tre returns assuming Dane is healthy. It feels like a great role for him.

 

siran Neal?

yeah I think that would be a great move. 
 

CB - Tredavious

S - Poyer

S - Benford

CB Dane Jackson

 

[Ralonzo]

3 hours ago, Success said:

 

I was wondering about Neal also.  I'm all fuzzy today, but I thought he was our backup safety previously (though he's on the CB depth chart this year).

 

 

Neal is primarily backup at nickel CB. He's struggled on the boundary.

[Cotton Fitzsimmons]

It’s really deflating losing Micah for the year.  YE OLE has a hunch that this Jaquan fellow might be a star though. 

[Bob in STL]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Any chance they move Poyer to FS and they try the linebacker Bernard at SS? He's tiny but supposedly quick.

Sure.  ?    If everyone else that has been playing DB for the past 3-4 years (such as Johnson, Hamlin, Neal and Lewis) all get hurt, then there is a chance.  
 

He is not “tiny” for a safety.  He is actually bigger than Milano at LB. 

[NeverOutNick]

54 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

If the Bengals season goes sideways Jessie Bates would be interesting if Johnson struggles.  No long term commitment needed.  Somehow they can make it work with the cap.

I definitely trust the FO and coaches with our secondary and think we can make it work with what we have but I do love me some bates. He was a beast at WF (oops thought it was UCF at first lol) and wanted us to nab him back then, he’s got some ball hawking skills like a center fielder. I’d be down with him coming here for the year to win a SB

Edited September 24, 2022 by NeverOutNick

[QLBillsFan]

18 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

Sure.  ?    If everyone else that has been playing DB for the past 3-4 years (such as Johnson, Hamlin, Neal and Lewis) all get hurt, then there is a chance.  
 

He is not “tiny” for a safety.  He is actually bigger than Milano at LB. 

Agreed. It’s the NFL they don’t just move guys from position to position.LF  basically said the backups have been getting reps and learning for 2-4 years now. I would be surprised if we see a big name S come in. I imagine they will add depth to the PS. 

[Big Turk]

Collins is a coverage liability and one of the key tenants on the Bills D is the safeties be interchangeable so it makes it impossible to know what both will be doing pre snap.

 

So I guess it makes it pretty unlikely they sign him unless they use him as a better version of Siran Neal.

Edited September 24, 2022 by Big Turk

[billybrew1]

5 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

It’s Poyer, Johnson, Hamlin, and Cam Lewis.
 

Johnson, Hamlin, and Lewis have been in this system awhile so I see them giving their guys a shot first before considering a different move 

I’ve watched JJ Jaquon Johnson for a few years now and I have full confidence in him.

I think he has elite anticipation.

Damar Hamlin has been here two years and I’m not so sure about him. Both are lessor athletes to Poyer and Hyde, but I don’t think it will really matter that much….we’re talking split seconds here…

[par73]

With the two rookie CB's,  I felt the Hyde/Poyer combo was a big key to stabilizing the secondary this year. Wish they had signed a veteran CB in the off season.

[Mat68]

Lets see how they go.  I got faith in the the young guys and Johnson.  Probably a little more conservative than they would want to be.  Benefit of being a deep roster.  Bills still favored in Miami.  

[ArtVandalay]

9 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

Bernard at 6'1" in not small for a safety and tackles well which is required in Bills defense but he is too small; for role Poyer does; Poyer sometimes matches up with offense linemen occupying them so other defense linemen are free.  If he plays safety he would be better in Hyde's role.

Lol what? Bernard too small for safety? He's 30lbs bigger than Poyer.

[billieve420]

Think we play it out till the trade deadline. If FO thinks we need to add someone to the room they will make necessary move to fill hole.