djp14150 Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34631088/cleveland-browns-rb-nick-chubb-admits-scoring-late-td-vs-new-york-jets-cost-us-game Chubb admits fault…it’s the coaches fault. for a referescher. Browns at 12 first and 10 after the 2 min warning. The jets were out of time outs. you should do just 3 kneel downs and win instead browns give the ball to Chubb and he scores a TD. Miss XP Jets get KO and on 2nd play get a 64 yd blown coverage TD onside kick recovery score another TD XP wins game. briwns had some time with time outs to get into FG or Hail Mary range. QB throws a pick. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 I don't know I did see the end of the Broncos Seahawks game. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, djp14150 said: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34631088/cleveland-browns-rb-nick-chubb-admits-scoring-late-td-vs-new-york-jets-cost-us-game Chubb admits fault…it’s the coaches fault. for a referescher. Browns at 12 first and 10 after the 2 min warning. The jets were out of time outs. you should do just 3 kneel downs and win instead browns give the ball to Chubb and he scores a TD. Miss XP Jets get KO and on 2nd play get a 64 yd blown coverage TD onside kick recovery score another TD XP wins game. briwns had some time with time outs to get into FG or Hail Mary range. QB throws a pick. There is simply no excuse for that and I put the blame on the coaches who should have reminded everyone of the game situation and demanded three kneel downs. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CA OC Bills Fan Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, K-9 said: There is simply no excuse for that and I put the blame on the coaches who should have reminded everyone of the game situation and demanded three kneel downs. Agree. Although a smart player may realize on his own and not score, that's not what they do anymore than knocking the ball down on a Hail Mary on the last play of a game instead of trying to catch it and risking a deflection. It's not in most player's thought process to not score and the coaches must coach it into them and tell them the situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastie Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 I will say the line to make was the two. If he is busting it to get that first, he probably can't stop at the one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 He has himself in fantasy. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 8 minutes ago, djp14150 said: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34631088/cleveland-browns-rb-nick-chubb-admits-scoring-late-td-vs-new-york-jets-cost-us-game Chubb admits fault…it’s the coaches fault. for a referescher. Browns at 12 first and 10 after the 2 min warning. The jets were out of time outs. you should do just 3 kneel downs and win instead browns give the ball to Chubb and he scores a TD. Miss XP Jets get KO and on 2nd play get a 64 yd blown coverage TD onside kick recovery score another TD XP wins game. briwns had some time with time outs to get into FG or Hail Mary range. QB throws a pick. 3 minutes ago, K-9 said: There is simply no excuse for that and I put the blame on the coaches who should have reminded everyone of the game situation and demanded three kneel downs. I agree that the coaches are ultimately to blame for Chubb not going down before getting into the end zone. But, Christ. The defense let the Jets ... the JETS ... come back with less than two minutes on the clock. That is absolutely inexcusable. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: He has himself in fantasy. Or money on the game. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 and that play could be a finalist in the Trojan-Enz ***** of the Week Award 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, CA OC Bills Fan said: Agree. Although a smart player may realize on his own and not score, that's not what they do anymore than knocking the ball down on a Hail Mary on the last play of a game instead of trying to catch it and risking a deflection. It's not in most player's thought process to not score and the coaches must coach it into them and tell them the situation. Sure, better awareness by Chubb would have been great, but he was adhering to a life long body of instinct as a running back; every fiber in his core says to get the ball over the goal line and score. Coaches simply have to take command in that situation to prevent that from happening. 5 minutes ago, Gugny said: I agree that the coaches are ultimately to blame for Chubb not going down before getting into the end zone. But, Christ. The defense let the Jets ... the JETS ... come back with less than two minutes on the clock. That is absolutely inexcusable. Absolutely inexcusable indeed. Right on the heels of the initial inexcusable gaffe of not taking a knee to end the game. Browns deserved what happened to them. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 The score was 30-17 when he scored with 1:58 left in the game. It'd possibly be a boneheaded play vs KC but not the Jets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 If Chubb was never told to stay out of end zone then it completely on coaching staff. If he was told not to score and did it is completely on him. No player should not score unless told to by coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticketssince61 Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 At that point, what was the Jets' computer generated probability of winning! Another potential nominee could have been the Cardinals' player in OT that almost dropped the ball before crossing the goal line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 I had no idea they lost in that fashion. That is 100000% on the OC not to put them in the victory formation. gawd... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 8 minutes ago, K-9 said: Sure, better awareness by Chubb would have been great, but he was adhering to a life long body of instinct as a running back; every fiber in his core says to get the ball over the goal line and score. Coaches simply have to take command in that situation to prevent that from happening. This 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 I totally disagree. He is going into score with about a minute left to make it a 14-point game. That wins the game. I don’t think it is fair to blame Chubb for the kicker missing a PAT, the defense folding on a long TD, the jets recovering an onsides kick, and the defense collapsing again. When Chubb scored, the Browns had a 99% win probability. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 This is almost as bad as not telling your kicker to squib it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted September 20, 2022 Author Share Posted September 20, 2022 10 minutes ago, ticketssince61 said: At that point, what was the Jets' computer generated probability of winning! Another potential nominee could have been the Cardinals' player in OT that almost dropped the ball before crossing the goal line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: I totally disagree. He is going into score with about a minute left to make it a 14-point game. That wins the game. I don’t think it is fair to blame Chubb for the kicker missing a PAT, the defense folding on a long TD, the jets recovering an onsides kick, and the defense collapsing again. When Chubb scored, the Browns had a 99% win probability. I put the blame squarely on the coaches but Chubb can still realize that 100% is more than 99%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted September 20, 2022 Author Share Posted September 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: I totally disagree. He is going into score with about a minute left to make it a 14-point game. That wins the game. I don’t think it is fair to blame Chubb for the kicker missing a PAT, the defense folding on a long TD, the jets recovering an onsides kick, and the defense collapsing again. When Chubb scored, the Browns had a 99% win probability. then the jets might have gone for 2 on one of the TDs. down 14 it’s a better decision to go for 2 generally.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 I figured this thread would be about Tremaine Edmunds. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 The year is young. Let's revisit in 5 months? But yes, otherwise, this is amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 Oh, boo-hoo! Seen worse things happen in bigger games in 13 seconds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 27 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said: I put the blame squarely on the coaches but Chubb can still realize that 100% is more than 99%. I actually bet that the odds were worse for the browns to win if Chubb had stopped short. That is, the odds of a muffed/fumbled snap on any of the three kneel downs probably was greater than what actually happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 52 minutes ago, Gugny said: That is absolutely inexcusable. Uhh, Gugny, they are the Browns. That is a perfectly satisfactory excuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 53 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: He has himself in fantasy. I’m pretty sure he was in this situation before and went down instead of scoring. I think it was a long run. Fantasy players and bettors went nuts. Maybe I’m remembering wrong. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 45 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said: If Chubb was never told to stay out of end zone then it completely on coaching staff. If he was told not to score and did it is completely on him. No player should not score unless told to by coach I think this is a reasonable take. Yes the player should know the situation as well but the coaches should be making those decisions and letting the players know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 Yes. He did it before. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 1 hour ago, djp14150 said: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34631088/cleveland-browns-rb-nick-chubb-admits-scoring-late-td-vs-new-york-jets-cost-us-game Chubb admits fault…it’s the coaches fault. for a referescher. Browns at 12 first and 10 after the 2 min warning. The jets were out of time outs. you should do just 3 kneel downs and win instead browns give the ball to Chubb and he scores a TD. Miss XP Jets get KO and on 2nd play get a 64 yd blown coverage TD onside kick recovery score another TD XP wins game. briwns had some time with time outs to get into FG or Hail Mary range. QB throws a pick. I’ll say I’ve been roasted a few times for being too serious when the bills have done similar with a late score. It’s rare it bites you like that but it sure does happen occasionally. Off memory, was Micah Hyde’s onside recovery similar with scoring when he should’ve gone down? If I recall it put us up 10 with just under 2 mins left when Miami had no timeouts and going down would’ve ended it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 23 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: I actually bet that the odds were worse for the browns to win if Chubb had stopped short. That is, the odds of a muffed/fumbled snap on any of the three kneel downs probably was greater than what actually happened. Strong disagree. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 10 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Strong disagree. I would love to see an analysis of the different odds there between three kneel downs and Chubb scoring. But it is hard to beat the near 100% that the browns were at after Chubb scored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 1 hour ago, djp14150 said: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34631088/cleveland-browns-rb-nick-chubb-admits-scoring-late-td-vs-new-york-jets-cost-us-game Chubb admits fault…it’s the coaches fault. for a referescher. Browns at 12 first and 10 after the 2 min warning. The jets were out of time outs. you should do just 3 kneel downs and win instead browns give the ball to Chubb and he scores a TD. Miss XP Jets get KO and on 2nd play get a 64 yd blown coverage TD onside kick recovery score another TD XP wins game. briwns had some time with time outs to get into FG or Hail Mary range. QB throws a pick. For clarification...If I am not mistaken, they needed a first down to kneel all the clock time off and couldn't just kneel down. Otherwise they wouldn't have even handed the ball off at all. BUT...he got that first down and should have just went down there, but instead got the next 2 yards for the TD foolishly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 1 hour ago, The Wiz said: and that play could be a finalist in the Trojan-Enz ***** of the Week Award Harris, with the K-Y ball.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: I would love to see an analysis of the different odds there between three kneel downs and Chubb scoring. But it is hard to beat the near 100% that the browns were at after Chubb scored. I can tell you without looking it up, there have been a substantial amount of successful onside kick recoveries that also result in a score compared to the number of times a team has ever fumbled a kneel down snap that resulted in a turnover and a change in the outcome of a game (which I am not even sure has ever happened in the history of the NFL). There is no reason to do the stat analysis on this one. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 Less than 2:00 left and you let the Jets score two TDs? That’s on the D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: Harris, with the K-Y ball.... you put snot, on the ball? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: I totally disagree. He is going into score with about a minute left to make it a 14-point game. That wins the game. I don’t think it is fair to blame Chubb for the kicker missing a PAT, the defense folding on a long TD, the jets recovering an onsides kick, and the defense collapsing again. When Chubb scored, the Browns had a 99% win probability. But why, if you can kneel down and end the game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 1 hour ago, djp14150 said: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34631088/cleveland-browns-rb-nick-chubb-admits-scoring-late-td-vs-new-york-jets-cost-us-game Chubb admits fault…it’s the coaches fault. for a referescher. Browns at 12 first and 10 after the 2 min warning. The jets were out of time outs. you should do just 3 kneel downs and win instead browns give the ball to Chubb and he scores a TD. Miss XP Jets get KO and on 2nd play get a 64 yd blown coverage TD onside kick recovery score another TD XP wins game. briwns had some time with time outs to get into FG or Hail Mary range. QB throws a pick. I said he should of just slide in bounds. Earlier on the drive - twice Hunt went out of bounds on runs to the sideline. Bad coaching and worse execution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I can tell you without looking it up, there have been a substantial amount of successful onside kick recoveries that also result in a score compared to the number of times a team has ever fumbled a kneel down snap that resulted in a turnover and a change in the outcome of a game (which I am not even sure has ever happened in the history of the NFL). There is no reason to do the stat analysis on this one. yeah, but the odds of what actually happened go beyond that. For the browns to lose, they had to miss a PAT, give up two TD’s and two PAT’s, and fail to recover an onsides kick with 1:55 left and the jets having no timeouts. The probability predictor gave the browns a 99.9% chance of winning at the time Chubb scored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted September 20, 2022 Author Share Posted September 20, 2022 11 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: For clarification...If I am not mistaken, they needed a first down to kneel all the clock time off and couldn't just kneel down. Otherwise they wouldn't have even handed the ball off at all. BUT...he got that first down and should have just went down there, but instead got the next 2 yards for the TD foolishly. Based on espn play list they had a 2nd doen at 209 after last jet time out. Chubb got 12 yards to the 12 fir a 1st down. Clock stopped at 2:00 to go. at that point with 2 min to go and other team has no TO you do 3 kneels and that’s the game. 6 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: yeah, but the odds of what actually happened go beyond that. For the browns to lose, they had to miss a PAT, give up two TD’s and two PAT’s, and fail to recover an onsides kick with 1:55 left and the jets having no timeouts. The probability predictor gave the browns a 99.9% chance of winning at the time Chubb scored. They have better odds if they let Chubb score a TD going up 2 scores than have them burn the clock. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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