Sharky7337 Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: So one play determines a rookies career? 😂 You know it's not all or nothing. But he's not looking ready yet. Is that hard to see? The coaches had him inactive for a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 On that 4th down play, the entire things was a mess. It seemed like the play call got in slow, then they motioned people over to the other side, by that time Josh had to rush to get the snap off which allowed the D to time the play clock. Would be hard for anyone to get the block in that spot. Should have called timeout 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 7 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said: You know it's not all or nothing. But he's not looking ready yet. Is that hard to see? The coaches had him inactive for a reason. Yep - also Kumerow is not a bad player like everyone seems to think. Good blocker, pulled down a nice deep shot. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 He wasn't last night but if he drops any more passes like he did last night he will be . I think injuries played a part of why he was activated though . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 Relax on the guy. As a side note, I was glad Cook was able to shake rust off in garbage time. They are rookies. Our team has a five year history at methodically bringing along young guys, and developing them. Just look at Bates, Rousseau, Basham in year 2, and even Singletary showing growth. Our team is so deep we have time to let these guys develop. Many of us are just a little impatient and expect HOF play from rookies. So I can admit I was part of that club and was impatient with Knox. I was over him after two years, but I regret any post on him in the past I expected him to be better in year 2. The reality is some TE’s don’t shine until year 3. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 (edited) I'm sure I'm reading into this but did McD just not so subtly tell Shakir to play like a pro. Mcd was asked about Dodson and Van Roten coming in to play as back-up and said how he felt about them. Then went to explain that with the situation with Gabe and having people practice like they are going to play in the game. Video timestamped. Edited September 21, 2022 by The Wiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 11 hours ago, T master said: He wasn't last night but if he drops any more passes like he did last night he will be . I think injuries played a part of why he was activated though . These are the "Hey Rookie, Welcome to the NFL" moments for Shakir and Cook. The expectations of playing with a Josh Allen is way too high and you are microscopically analysed. Whereas our rookie DBs are playing with less of that kind of weight on their shoulder. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 11 hours ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: Yep - also Kumerow is not a bad player like everyone seems to think. Good blocker, pulled down a nice deep shot. He’s the level most back ups are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: He’s the level most back ups are. Fair assessment. Skakir must have have the yips it happens 1st NFL game for the kid no reason to worry. no reason to be overly negative either as some might feel. Cook will come around too. Trust the Process 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 29 minutes ago, The Wiz said: I'm sure I'm reading into this but did McD just not so subtly tell Shakir to play like a pro. Mcd was asked about Dodson and Van Roten coming in to play as back-up and said how he felt about them. Then went to explain that with the situation with Gabe and having people practice like they are going to play in the game. Video timestamped. I think it was more about Kumerow preparing to be a starter since he was Gabe's backup and doing it, and being a good lesson about how you can lose a player so close to the game and not have time to prepare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 He's not the first, nor will he be the last, kid to play tight in his very first NFL game. Don't mean nuthin...... 2 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Simon said: He's not the first, nor will he be the last, kid to play tight in his very first NFL game. Don't mean nuthin...... aint nuthin but a thing aint nuthin but a thing man. damn straight Simon. on to Miami 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 17 minutes ago, Doc said: I think it was more about Kumerow preparing to be a starter since he was Gabe's backup and doing it, and being a good lesson about how you can lose a player so close to the game and not have time to prepare. Fair enough. Just the comment about "a great lesson to learn for our team" made me wonder. You would think Kumerow would already know that with his experience in the league and under McD which is why I thought it might have been directed at Shakir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Was disappointing last night. Regular season big time games are a different speed. He needs work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 (edited) 14 hours ago, Back2Buff said: Dude looks tiny and slow. Like I said during those training camp work outs, his feet speed is way too slow to be a good player in the NFL. Gonna have to improve that quickly. As soon as Stevenson is ready, Shakir can go to PS. Do you actually understand how moving players to the PS works? The Bills would need to drop Shakir from the 53, thus exposing him to waivers. Yes he didn't look good yesterday, but he certainly shown enough in pre-season that he'd be immediately grabbed by some other team. Beane isn't letting a 5th round draft pick who looked good in pre-season go to save another player drafted in round 6 BTW and who is safely tucked away on IR and could stay there all season if needed. The only way Stevenson makes it to the active roster is if one of the other WR's gets hurt. No matter what Shakir's not going anywhere unless he were to get hurt, then he could go to IR. And BTW the only time Stevenson has looked good was also in pre-season, the same as Shakir. Edited September 21, 2022 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Geez yet another thread where Bills fans are trashing rookies. Why am I not surprised? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 15 hours ago, Bray Wyatt said: On that 4th down play, the entire things was a mess. It seemed like the play call got in slow, then they motioned people over to the other side, by that time Josh had to rush to get the snap off which allowed the D to time the play clock. Would be hard for anyone to get the block in that spot. Should have called timeout Watching it in real time I thought the Bills were waiting for the refs to measure the spot from the previous play, I saw the play clock winding down but I thought for sure it was going to be reset because the offense wasn't even getting ready. It looked like they didn't know the play clock was running, very bizarre. As a result the play was DOA before we even snapped the ball. It's a coaching detail that I'm sure McDermott will fix. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 3 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: Geez yet another thread where Bills fans are trashing rookies. Why am I not surprised? I don't think anyone is trashing Shakir. Just a tempering of expectations. Personally my view had always been that his contribution this year would likely come down the stretch but after his really good pre-season one or two got a bit carried away. The kid is still a good player. He did not have a great debut. People just need to be realistic about where things are at. I also still think his future is at slot personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Mark my words there is going to be a point in the season when we are glad that we have them even if we’re not playing him right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 8 hours ago, 3rdand12 said: aint nuthin but a thing aint nuthin but a thing man. damn straight Simon. on to Miami I think we all feel like this guy at this point on the rookies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Overall - once again it shows McD and the coaching staff know and understand the team better than the fans. They recognized Game 1 in prime time is a tough spot to insert a rookie full time. They split time with the CBs, didn’t give Cook a go until the initial emotions settled and he still fumbled, made Shakir inactive - They recognized the difficulties. Shakir will be fine - he and Josh have almost no time together on the practice field and Josh is not a 3 step drop and throw to a spot QB - it takes time to understand how to read Josh and be on the same page. Nothing in game 1 discourages me - it is the start of a long path, but he was not ready and Moss - even with all of his faults - was ready and that is why he is dressed for now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 12 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Do you actually understand how moving players to the PS works? The Bills would need to drop Shakir from the 53, thus exposing him to waivers. Yes he didn't look good yesterday, but he certainly shown enough in pre-season that he'd be immediately grabbed by some other team. Beane isn't letting a 5th round draft pick who looked good in pre-season go to save another player drafted in round 6 BTW and who is safely tucked away on IR and could stay there all season if needed. The only way Stevenson makes it to the active roster is if one of the other WR's gets hurt. No matter what Shakir's not going anywhere unless he were to get hurt, then he could go to IR. And BTW the only time Stevenson has looked good was also in pre-season, the same as Shakir. I 100% understand how the NFL works, and could give two craps if someone takes Shakir off waivers. The guy just isn't quick enough to make it. Stevenson has something that every team is looking for, speed. I'm sure it will change after we play Miami on Sunday, but this team still lacks speed. It will come back to bite them. No you can't keep Stevenson on IR all year. As soon as he is cleared, and he will be soon, the Bills need to make a move. On pure raw talent, Stevenson>Shakir. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Just now, Back2Buff said: On pure raw talent, Stevenson>Shakir. Interesting. I have on pure raw talent, Shakir>Stevenson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 13 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: I think we all feel like this guy at this point on the rookies. Go Bills ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Shakir had a tough game and I think the caution the Bills staff showed in playing him was proven correct. I think he will be fine, but that was certainly a poor debut. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted September 25, 2022 Author Share Posted September 25, 2022 Bills have carried 5 WR and 3 RB into both games so far. Does that change tomorrow? I am expecting so. I think we’ll see Moss inactive with 6 WR. We’re going to throw the ball 50 times. Need the horses ready to run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 On 9/21/2022 at 10:22 AM, Back2Buff said: I 100% understand how the NFL works, and could give two craps if someone takes Shakir off waivers. The guy just isn't quick enough to make it. Stevenson has something that every team is looking for, speed. I'm sure it will change after we play Miami on Sunday, but this team still lacks speed. It will come back to bite them. No you can't keep Stevenson on IR all year. As soon as he is cleared, and he will be soon, the Bills need to make a move. On pure raw talent, Stevenson>Shakir. Stevenson ran a 4.45 Shakir ran a 4.43 Neither one of them has done anything to date but I like Shakir's hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Stevenson ran a 4.45 Shakir ran a 4.43 Neither one of them has done anything to date but I like Shakir's hands The ball tends to bounce off of stevensons hands and tends to melt into shakirs hands. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted September 26, 2022 Author Share Posted September 26, 2022 Would have liked to have another guy today. We were hurting at WR but apparently we will always carry 5WRs and 3RBs this year. Seems crazy to me, given we have a base set of 3 WRs and almost exclusively feature 1 RB looks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted October 2, 2022 Author Share Posted October 2, 2022 Bump. The Bills CANNOT continue to have only 5 WRs active on game day. They need bodies. The Miami game and today proved this. They keep leaving themselves short handed to carry 3 RBs, two of which rarely play. Shakir had a good day today. But this doesn’t thread is more than that. They need to find a way to carry 6 guys into every game, as they have in years past. We we’re down to Diggs, a hobbled Davis, and Shakir today. That can’t happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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