Matt Araiza accused of rape, served with a lawsuit.

[london_bills]

2 minutes ago, davefan66 said:

I believe he should not have been the first Bills person to speak publicly about the allegations.  I’m sure that played into his emotions.

 

Sean is a stand up guy who expects everyone around him to also be.  I believe he feels he was lied to by MA regarding the facts.  The kind of person he is, breaking his trust is devastating.

I didn't think he was lied to by a player. But that probably is right

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, davefan66 said:

I believe he should not have been the first Bills person to speak publicly about the allegations.  I’m sure that played into his emotions.

 

Sean is a stand up guy who expects everyone around him to also be.  I believe he feels he was lied to by MA regarding the facts.  The kind of person he is, breaking his trust is devastating.

I think right here right now the bills need to close ranks and I think that pushes araiza out

i’ve been giving a lot of thought about this over last night today and I am a innocent until proven guilty person but there’s something bothering me in this that makes it OK if they release him he did have sex with this girl even if he didn’t rape her and she was underage and yes she might’ve been telling everybody she was 18 but he should’ve been smarter than that given that he was about to be going into the NFL NFL players should keep very close circles of friends because of things like this and then of course if he is guilty of everything Then deserves everything he gets

[Beck Water]

2 minutes ago, davefan66 said:

I believe he should not have been the first Bills person to speak publicly about the allegations.  I’m sure that played into his emotions.

 

Sean is a stand up guy who expects everyone around him to also be.  I believe he feels he was lied to by MA regarding the facts.  The kind of person he is, breaking his trust is devastating.

 

I think it goes beyond MA.  I think he feels whoever had been delegated the responsibility of investigating, both this summer and of vetting Araiza pre-draft, let him and the organization down.  And I think he did not buy into the statement the organization put out and the strategy it implies.

[Simon]

1 minute ago, badassgixxer05 said:

Yeah, road locker. this would make sense.

 

Makes me wonder if other guys who weren't dressed had plates installed on their lockers.

[BillsSbSoon]

Brandon better be speaking tomorrow cause this looks bad on every front and I’ll say again, watching mcds presser had me feeling like beane may have lied to him or kept him in the dark. Really hope that’s not the case

[StHustle]

14 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

polygraphs are WILDLY inaccurate.

where did you hear that from??? They have been proven to be over 80% accurate. To call them “WILDY inaccurate “ is a false narrative 

[Beck Water]

9 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

I get a weird feeling that there is something else bothering McD about this.  
 

He needs to snap out of it, trim the roster, get a punter/holder and get ready for the season.  
 

Someone else (Beane and the legal department) in the organization should be working the issue of getting the information they need.  

 

I think the problem right now is that McDermott feels let down by someone in the organization who was working the investigation, and also not aligned with the statement they put out, so he feels a responsibility to go hands-on.

[BillsShredder83]

26 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

Asked this earlier but could we put him on the practice squad until he is cleared/settles or charged/sentenced?

this is all the problems, none of the benefits, 100% makes 0 sense imho. they cant be seen as wavering. either they have the ultimate trump card of innocence (mcds presser tells me no), or 801am, hes gone.

[just1hugheser]

5 hours ago, just1hugheser said:

 

I doubt McD did a lot of research into it by which I mean he trusts the info he is getting from others, the article said the bills investigated it thoroughly but also said there she reported it the day after and has a ton of evidence, so it looks to me like whoever the Bills put in charge of investigating this situation seriously dropped the ball unless all her evidence/claims turn out bogus.

 

 

Whoever did the 'thorough investigation' should be hung out to dry

 

[nkreed]

2 minutes ago, davefan66 said:

I believe he should not have been the first Bills person to speak publicly about the allegations.  I’m sure that played into his emotions.

 

Sean is a stand up guy who expects everyone around him to also be.  I believe he feels he was lied to by MA regarding the facts.  The kind of person he is, breaking his trust is devastating.

Personally, that doesn't jive with his first statement. Specifically the part where McDermott says that his "heart and prayers go out to all involved, and that includes Matt..." This came on the heels of the Skurski question about Matt being a great kid. 

 

Is there a chance that the Bills know more information and that Ariza is being slandered and McD is angry at that?

 

(I'm not saying that's the case)

[That's No Moon]

Just now, BillsSbSoon said:

Brandon better be speaking tomorrow cause this looks bad on every front and I’ll say again, watching mcds presser had me feeling like beane may have lied to him or kept him in the dark. Really hope that’s not the case

Could be one of those "we're on it, we'll handle it" situations and it very much wasn't handled.  I'm pretty sure the Bills are gonna have some new background investigating people and a new West Coast area scout pretty soon.  Let's hope it doesn't put a wedge between the coach and the front office because I can see how it could.

[BillsShredder83]

28 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Is bojo available?

his wiki says Browns, otherwise this is a no brainer if cutting loose

[davefan66]

1 minute ago, BillsSbSoon said:

Brandon better be speaking tomorrow cause this looks bad on every front and I’ll say again, watching mcds presser had me feeling like beane may have lied to him or kept him in the dark. Really hope that’s not the case

I don’t think Beane would do that. I do agree with others that he’s not happy with the results of the PI’s investigation.  Maybe that’s were a differing of opinions happened?

 

 

[Simon]

1 minute ago, StHustle said:

where did you hear that from??? They have been proven to be over 80% accurate. To call them “WILDY inaccurate “ is a false narrative 

 

I've also read modern ones can be between 80-90% accurate.

But I bet a lot depends on who's asking the questions and reading the results.

[That's No Moon]

Just now, nkreed said:

Personally, that doesn't jive with his first statement. Specifically the part where McDermott says that his "heart and prayers go out to all involved, and that includes Matt..." This came on the heels of the Skurski question about Matt being a great kid. 

 

Is there a chance that the Bills know more information and that Ariza is being slandered and McD is angry at that?

 

(I'm not saying that's the case)

That's probably in the realm of .0001% likely

[Bob in STL]

12 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

 

Someone lied to him is what I think. 

Yes, it sounded like that could be. Or someone didn’t provide all the information.  

Edited August 27, 2022 by Bob in STL

[Beck Water]

1 minute ago, just1hugheser said:

 

 

Whoever did the 'thorough investigation' should be hung out to dry

 

 

Throwing people under the bus publically has never been McDermott's MO, but part of my take on McDermott's presser is that McDermott (within the last 24 hrs) has reason to believe that the investigation was not sufficiently thorough or independent OR results were not shared completely/neutrally, and he is furious about that.

 

Quietly, after the problem is solved and the team moves forward, heads will roll.

[CountDorkula]

3 minutes ago, StHustle said:

where did you hear that from??? They have been proven to be over 80% accurate. To call them “WILDY inaccurate “ is a false narrative 

Polygraphs are not accurate and not admissible in court because of their inaccuracies 

[Beck Water]

2 minutes ago, nkreed said:

Personally, that doesn't jive with his first statement. Specifically the part where McDermott says that his "heart and prayers go out to all involved, and that includes Matt..." This came on the heels of the Skurski question about Matt being a great kid. 

 

Is there a chance that the Bills know more information and that Ariza is being slandered and McD is angry at that?

 

(I'm not saying that's the case)

 

I think it's very telling that McDermott was asked straight out whether he thinks Matt lied to him and he said "I'm not going to get into that".

I think if he felt the answer was "No, Never" he'd have said so.

[Richard Noggin]

2 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

Polygraphs are not accurate and not admissible in court because of their inaccuracies 

Civil court is a bit different, though, innit? 

 

Not sure how admissibility is different there, if at all, tbh.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

23 minutes ago, vincec said:

How can the organization possibly not be to blame? The said that they did a “thorough investigation” and then decided to cut Haack. Now it looks like they were full of crap and just did a cursory investigation before dismissing the issue. Obviously they took it very lightly which was a huge mistake and is frankly unbelievable given the seriousness of the accusations and the current environment with Watson.

I meant that the organization is not the police and can not really do a thorough investigation.  Agree the statement was terrible.  

[davefan66]

1 minute ago, nkreed said:

Personally, that doesn't jive with his first statement. Specifically the part where McDermott says that his "heart and prayers go out to all involved, and that includes Matt..." This came on the heels of the Skurski question about Matt being a great kid. 

 

Is there a chance that the Bills know more information and that Ariza is being slandered and McD is angry at that?

 

(I'm not saying that's the case)

Sean is a religious man. I’m sure prayers to Matt is one of two things, one that he not be judged erroneously and two, if he feels he is culpable that Matt does the right thing moving forward.

 

I’m not a deeply religious guy, just my thoughts.

[CountDorkula]

2 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I think it's very telling that McDermott was asked straight out whether he thinks Matt lied to him and he said "I'm not going to get into that".

I think if he felt the answer was "No, Never" he'd have said so.

That press conference was extremely concerning to me not only about the Araiza situation but that there could be a very big disconnect in the organization 

[nkreed]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

I think it's very telling that McDermott was asked straight out whether he thinks Matt lied to him and he said "I'm not going to get into that".

I think if he felt the answer was "No, Never" he'd have said so.

I don't. Because of this thread and how Twitter is, if he comes out and says that, well then, "The Bills think that gang rape is okay."

 

Because that's exactly what has happened in the last 24+ hours.

[Beck Water]

31 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Didn’t we have Dotson on a list like this last year

 

Dodson was suspended by the league as a rookie in 2019.

 

Araiza can not be suspended by the league because the event in question occurred before he was drafted and the CBA prohibits this.

 

I think it's a little less clear whether the Commissioner could put Araiza on the exempt list while this works out.

 

31 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I’ll tell you what though after listening to McDermott and that press conference I don’t think there’s a chance in hell punt God is on this team tomorrow

 

Time will tell.

[JimmyNoodles]

3 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

Polygraphs are not accurate and not admissible in court because of their inaccuracies 

Polygraphs are very accurate but not foolproof. That they’re not 100% accurate is why they aren’t allowed in court. 

[Bob in STL]

2 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I think it's very telling that McDermott was asked straight out whether he thinks Matt lied to him and he said "I'm not going to get into that".

I think if he felt the answer was "No, Never" he'd have said so.

He would have to know more of the story to answer the question.  He is learning this, while traveling and literally working around the clock to prepare for a game.  He wanted to focus on the players busting ass to make the team. 

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I think it's very telling that McDermott was asked straight out whether he thinks Matt lied to him and he said "I'm not going to get into that".

I think if he felt the answer was "No, Never" he'd have said so.

I’d think it’s the opposite 

 

If he felt disrespected by matt and that he was straight up lied too by him he would say yes I feel I was misled and we are letting him go 

[BillsShredder83]

15 minutes ago, vincec said:

If they really thought there would not be a massive public backlash then they are out of touch with reality. If they were going to stick with Araiza through this then they needed to be 100% confident in his side, which McDermott didn’t sound like at the PC.

Could be something like they spoke to a witness, who has since recanted a favorable belief on araiza. does seem like something changed in a hurry.

 

mcd didnt keep this dude around for 6 weeks, and then realize at press conference that the squeeze isnt worth the juice. something changed quick imo

[london_bills]

3 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

That press conference was extremely concerning to me not only about the Araiza situation but that there could be a very big disconnect in the organization 

What I thought

[SCBills]

5 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I think it's very telling that McDermott was asked straight out whether he thinks Matt lied to him and he said "I'm not going to get into that".

I think if he felt the answer was "No, Never" he'd have said so.

He really can’t say that.  Regardless of what he believes, saying “No, Never” would have put a bounty on his head from the Twitter crowd. 

[Beck Water]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

I’d think it’s the opposite 

 

If he felt disrespected by matt and that he was straight up lied too by him he would say yes I feel I was misled and we are letting him go 

 

Fair viewpoint. 

 

I thought it seemed pretty clear he was not happy (felt disrespected?) that Araiza/his attorney put out a statement during the game.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

Woof!

 

I have never seen McDermott look both so furious and so personally distressed

 

 

Damn, like DAMN. 
 

He seems exhausted, furious, and heartbroken. Some of the ways he didn’t answer a question and his mannerisms were more telling than if he actually said yes or no.

[london_bills]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

I’d think it’s the opposite 

 

If he felt disrespected by matt and that he was straight up lied too by him he would say yes I feel I was misled and we are letting him go 

I didn't get the sense he was lied to by a player. Is he going to lose sleep over that??

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

He really can’t say that.  Regardless of what he believes, saying “No, Never” would have put a bounty on his head from the Twitter crowd. 

This is true McDreally can’t say anything there there is no win

[nkreed]

2 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

That press conference was extremely concerning to me not only about the Araiza situation but that there could be a very big disconnect in the organization 

I disagree completely with the second half. This is a tough thing that he is dealing with, walking the tight rope of saying something about it without saying anything at all.

 

I don't believe there's a disconnect here, I think it's just an extremely difficult position for him to be in.

[badassgixxer05]

14 minutes ago, StHustle said:

where did you hear that from??? They have been proven to be over 80% accurate. To call them “WILDY inaccurate “ is a false narrative 

I mean they work for the average man. Sociopaths that have zero emotion they are useless on.

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Damn, like DAMN. 
 

He seems exhausted, furious, and heartbroken. Some of the ways he didn’t answer a question and his mannerisms were more telling than if he actually said yes or no.

That’s what I was looking at his body language

[Billsatlastin2018]

Pretty sure the Bills feel they were lied to- either directly or through omission.

 

VERY certain Araiza’s career with the Bills is FINITO!

 

He’ll be canned by Monday.

[BillsShredder83]

19 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

That's how it looked to me also but who knows.

praying that person was either external, or 8hrs away from being external