Matt Araiza accused of rape, served with a lawsuit.

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

The lawyer putting this in the national spotlight is the only way this got traction in almost a year of no movement and roadblocks by the police and university.

You dont like it, take it up with the school and police.

And in end probably tainted every prospective juror. /smdh

[QLBillsFan]

Just now, Jauronimo said:

Where? Dry aged, prime, ribeye?  What are we talking here?

Ha well played sir. Ribeye 🥩 👍

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

What is virtuous? Plying young girls with alcohol, having group “sex”, and knowingly giving a person an STD, which he said on tape.

 

 

 

[MiltonWaddams]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

The lawyer putting this in the national spotlight is the only way this got traction in almost a year of no movement and roadblocks by the police and university.

You dont like it, take it up with the school and police.

I am in no way condoning Araiza's actions. I think it is clear that he has some definite wrongdoings here. I just hate seeing people put this kind of, assumed to be confidential, conversation out there in this way. It does, however, teach the Araiza's attorney that texts are not the place to have these conversations.

[Draconator]

 

[Alphadawg7]

14 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

My sister was raped, the police regularly slut shamed and insulted her at every corner, and refused to help her. It took months for them to even speak to the guy.  The way LEO treats victims of sexual assault is sickening at times. 

 

6 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Same exact treatment happened, with my Girlfriend at the time. It was beyond horrible for her, and for me.

 

This is terrible and so sorry to hear those women went through that.  I had a friend who also had a similar experience and it was tough to see her go through that.  

 

On the other side, I had one of my closest friends go through a false accusation and it ruined his life for a while despite hard evidence clearing his name.  It was an ex who sat out to ruin his life after he broke up with her.  We all worked together, she was a psycho and even tried to stab him in the neck with a pencil while they were dating and we were at work.  

 

Its always sad on both ends...if you are a victim, what they have to go through to get justice can be maddening, if they ever even get justice.  If you are being preyed on and falsely accused, its also a living nightmare and can ruin your life and follow you still even after clearing your name.  

 

[MWK]

Just now, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

What is virtuous? Plying young girls with alcohol, having group “sex”, and knowingly giving a person an STD, which he said on tape.

 

 

 

But I was told there was no evidence?

[Bob in STL]

1 minute ago, dje85 said:

 

They also said Ford was one of their best olinemen this year and we all know that isn't true or we wouldn't of traded him. We have this thing about keeping our best talent.

 

Everything Beane and McDermott say about a player is 100% the truth take it to the bank. 

 

But this is besides the point. I said he stunk and needed to be replaced as he was easily replaceable by someone as talented or better. So I'm happy he is gone regardless of the Araiza issue now.

 

And you said  he was a good team mate? Who cares? That is not a good reason to keep him. 

 

I never said Haack didn't need to be replaced.  NEVER.  I did say he was below average.  

 

Some people on these boards were wondering why they cut Haack when they knew this Araiza stuff was brewing.  That is a good question and could imply they believe in Araiza.  All I am saying is they cut Haack early to help him out.  McD said he was a good teammate.  

 

I am done explaining it.    

 

 

 

 

[1ManRaid]

4 minutes ago, finn said:

I wish I were as confident as you about their motives. The reported information is pretty damning. The girl told a friend about the rape immediately and went to the police the next day. Does that sound like a false 

 

This take makes the most sense to me. I didn't understand why they cut Haack knowing this news was about to break. (I'm very skeptical that they believed Araiza, given the information we have.) Your explanation clears that up. Of course, now they're screwed. They really have no choice but to cut him. His abilities aren't worth the distraction, division, and bad press. Maybe Keenum can hold?

 

It sure as hell can.  For the hundredth time, I'm not absolutely claiming him to be innocent, but I have literal firsthand knowledge of false claims arising from EXACTLY THAT SCENARIO.  I've personally been witness to teenage girls talking about making up a story to have my best friend charged with rape, with them even admitting to having her mother in on the lie to punish him for perceived grievances against them.

 

If he's guilty I'll gladly sign off on a bullet being put in him.  But he hasn't at all been proven guilty by any means.

[QLBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

Dude, why the ***** are people making excuses for some nobody pos… fan base is extremely disappointing. Anybody wants to defend ***** like this doesn’t have a woman in there life they give any ***** about.

People are sharing facts. That is not a defending him. Once all the facts are out a judgment can be made. 

[ddaryl]

2 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

No. Read the whole text thread HER lawyer posted. It clearly shows that the plaintiff was seeking a settlement and Araiza's lawyer said they would never settle. The plaintiffs lawyer then threatened that Araiza will regret that "they will do what they always do and litigate it civilly then". At some point the defendent's lawyer said "Araiza's parents asked me to ask you about a number" which the defendent's lawyer THEN ignored.

 

 

 

 

Ok so the defense never gave a #... so that is even weirder

 

the chronological order was confusing... They ain't settling which means their confident Matt didn't do it, or the think they win the court of public opinon.

Maybe the defense has solid reason to believe Matt is guilty and it will be even more painful set by the civil suit

 

Why not present a settlement number, this is a civil suit, not a criminal suit here... You can go big $$$ if you believe you have facts right and then can apply the pressure. 

 

[What a Tuel]

1 minute ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

What is virtuous? Plying young girls with alcohol, having group “sex”, and knowingly giving a person an STD, which he said on tape.

 

I mean, half of what you saying aren't even agreed upon facts, so I am not sure you should be pushing for any sort of action by the Bills org.

 

And I am on the cut him because we don't need the distraction side.

[BullBuchanan]

4 minutes ago, AuntieEm said:

 

 I'd have assumed a rape kit and the evidence it produces would be sufficiently evaluated by now to know whether a crime may have occurred as alleged. 

 

What on earth could possibly lead you to that assumption based on what we know about the rape kit epidemic in this country?

[Believer]

Reported Ariaza flew with the team to Carolina… so appears he will play… Have to think allegations against him will come up during the broadcast, so some Bills rep may respond…

[bigK14094]

The alleged tape is incriminating if it truely exists.

[ExiledInIllinois]

2 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

People are sharing facts. That is not a defending him. Once all the facts are out a judgment can be made. 

The whole thing is tainted now. Crazy. 

[Ta111]

8 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

And there's also reports saying she was telling people she was in college, not high school.  

And this is why you need to get ALL the facts first. 

[appoo]

Oh, also having sec with someone knowing you have an STD but not telling the other person about it, may also be a crime

[BullBuchanan]

5 minutes ago, elijah said:

After all of this slander on something with 0 concrete evidence available to the public yet, 

 

I will 100% be buying his jersey and supporting him as a Bill as strongly as I can IF he’s proven innocent 

I imagine it'll look nice next to your Darren Sharper and Kellen Winslow jerseys.

[HomeskillitMoorman]

Wait he had sex with her knowing he had an STD? Or he found out about it after? If it's the former I'd probably cut him on that alone. 

[What a Tuel]

1 minute ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

Ok so the defense never gave a #... so that is even weirder

 

the chronological order was confusing... They ain't settling which means their confident Matt didn't do it, or the think they win the court of public opinon.

Maybe the defense has solid reason to believe Matt is guilty and it will be even more painful set by the civil suit

 

Why not present a settlement number, this is a civil suit, not a criminal suit here... You can go big $$$ if you believe you have facts right and then can apply the pressure. 

 

 

Right. That is what is making people criticize the lawyer for posting this as if it helps their case. They clearly were asking for a settlement despite saying "they ignored it". So now he looks like he is trying to angle to win public opinion but it falls flat bc he outed himself.

[1ManRaid]

4 minutes ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

What is virtuous? Plying young girls with alcohol, having group “sex”, and knowingly giving a person an STD, which he said on tape.

 

 

 

 

No, he didn't admit to that.  He suggested she get tested, a completely rational suggestion for someone who sleeps with random men at parties and (consensual or not) just had sexual contact with a number at once.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

11 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

No. Read the whole text thread HER lawyer posted. It clearly shows that the plaintiff was seeking a settlement and Araiza's lawyer said they would never settle. The plaintiffs lawyer then threatened that Araiza will regret that "they will do what they always do and litigate it civilly then". At some point the defendent's lawyer said "Araiza's parents asked me to ask you about a number" which the defendent's lawyer THEN ignored.

 

 

A lot of people are going after this guy but he’s a career attorney fighting for victims of sexual misconduct.

 

 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

A lot of people are going after this guy but he’s a career attorney fighting for victims of sexual misconduct.

 

 

 

He's not representing himself well in this specific instance though

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

Wait he had sex with her knowing he had an STD? Or he found out about it after? If it's the former I'd probably cut him on that alone. 

Very likely he found out about it after.  If this is even about him. 

 

Chlamydia is wildly common and is treated immediately by the attending physician when you test positive or have been exposed.  
 

It’s not something people are generally knowing they have until told they were exposed or w symptoms. 
 

Edited August 26, 2022 by SCBills

[Warcodered]

3 minutes ago, Believer said:

Reported Ariaza flew with the team to Carolina… so appears he will play… Have to think allegations against him will come up during the broadcast, so some Bills rep may respond…

They'll probably just cover what's already been said here real quick.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

Wait he had sex with her knowing he had an STD? Or he found out about it after? If it's the former I'd probably cut him on that alone. 

How about he gave alcohol to someone he thought was 18? 
 

so many layers to this.

[Rc2catch]

Just now, HomeskillitMoorman said:

Wait he had sex with her knowing he had an STD? Or he found out about it after? If it's the former I'd probably cut him on that alone. 

Nobody knows, as with most of this. They are just stating it as facts. 

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

He's not representing himself well in this specific instance though

 

His client went from being ignored and silenced by local police/university to the story being the top headline of the weekend. I'd say he's doing fine by her. If he looks a little silly in the meantime, whatever.

[NyBob85]

2 hours ago, What a Tuel said:

 

I mean if you want to live in a dystopian world where mega corps take away your livelihood because it affected their reputation and not based on truth then sure.

 

 

We live in the world of "at-will employment". Employers can fire you for pretty much anything they want to besides your race, sex, or creed and even then they can just make something up if they really wanted you gone for those reasons as well. That's been the reality that most workers have had to face in this country for ages, it's just that until recently it was only applied to workers who were a bit too "uppity" or "troublesome" or talked about things like better pay or working conditions or unionizing, and male employees who committed sexual harassment (to say nothing of full-blown rape) were routinely ignored.

 

I agree that big businesses being able to summarily dismiss employees and ruin their livelihoods on a whim is an earmark of a dystopian society, but it didn't just magically become dystopian in the last few years just because it started specifically happening to men accused of heinous sexual behavior. 

[JoPoy88]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

A lot of people are going after this guy but he’s a career attorney fighting for victims of sexual misconduct.

 

 

No one’s questioning his mission, just his methods.

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

It’s pretty easy to tell all the individuals who have their own skeletons in their closets coming out to defend this piece of trash. Why DEFEND Araiza at all?  To silence any other women who have the courage to come forward? You don’t know anything except charges have been levied. What grounds do you have to defend such abhorrent accusations?  Every stupid emoji, every baseless defense on indefensible actions speaks volumes to your own personal character, and which virtues you hold true, if any.  If any of you taking the stance of blindly defending this dbag just because he he’s got a Buffalo on his helmet, as your wives what they think, or daughters, or mothers..

[UKBillFan]

Just now, JoPoy88 said:

No one’s questioning his mission, just his methods.

 

Especially as it feels like he's hindering rather than helping his client.

[appoo]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

Very likely he found out about it after.

 

Chlamydia is wildly common and is treated immediately by the attending physician when you test positive or have been exposed.  
 

It’s not something people are generally knowing they have until told they were exposed or w symptoms. 

He told her to get tested the day or two after the incident happened, whenever the cops had her do those phone calls

[BullBuchanan]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

A lot of people are going after this guy but he’s a career attorney fighting for victims of sexual misconduct.

 

 

It seems folks used the fact that he follows adult entertainers on Twitter as an attempt to discredit him. In some cases it appears he legally represents them.

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/san-diego-taxpayers-fund-15-million-payment-to-nude-dancers/169269/

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

3 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

No, he didn't admit to that.  He suggested she get tested, a completely rational suggestion for someone who sleeps with random men at parties and (consensual or not) just had sexual contact with a number at once.

Wow, if you think that’s common practice then you’ve been doing life, very very wrong.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

He's not representing himself well in this specific instance though

He says in some of his videos that every time the victim is attack so he attacks back.

 

[UKBillFan]

Just now, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

It’s pretty easy to tell all the individuals who have their own skeletons in their closets coming out to defend this piece of trash. Why DEFEND Araiza at all?  To silence any other women who have the courage to come forward? You don’t know anything except charges have been levied. What grounds do you have to defend such abhorrent accusations?  Every stupid emoji, every baseless defense on indefensible actions speaks volumes to your own personal character, and which virtues you hold true, if any.  If any of you taking the stance of blindly defending this dbag just because he he’s got a Buffalo on his helmet, as your wives what they think, or daughters, or mothers..

 

Most are not defending him - simply sticking with the mantra innocent until proven guilt and letting the legal process play out. If he is charged and found guilty then he deserves the punishment he will get.

 

[BillsFanSD]

1 minute ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

Wait he had sex with her knowing he had an STD? Or he found out about it after? If it's the former I'd probably cut him on that alone. 

This is the problem with making snap judgements based on emotion.  You end up locking yourself into a position ("this guy must be cut," "it's a shakedown," etc.) and then, human nature being what it is, you backwards-engineer arguments to support that position that you would never have adopted under other circumstances.

 

No NFL team is cutting anybody because they spread an STD.  My employer (public university) would never in a million years fire somebody for that.  It just isn't a thing that results in discipline with your employer unless you happen to work in some very specialized industries.  

 

The rape allegation is extremely serious.  If Matt Araiza raped somebody, he should be cut.  And prosecuted of course.  The rest of the stuff in this complaint is all red herrings.  

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, appoo said:

He told her to get tested the day or two after the incident happened, whenever the cops had her do those phone calls

 

It was eleven days after the incident.