Logic Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Regarding Elam vs Benford: It seems clear to me that the Bills want to get Elam out of his comfort zone and teach him to play off-coverage. Throughout his college career -- as acknowledged by Beane on draft night -- Elam was most comfortable in press-man. I think they already KNOW he can do that capably. The book on him was that he was pretty grabby and relies on his hands to win in coverage. As such, forcing him to get better at the thing he's worst at from day one by having him in off-coverage, throwing him out there on an island against Diggs and Davis and coaching him up on his weakest points...that's what I think is going on right now with Elam. Benford, meanwhile, is a less athletic corner who is ALREADY well-versed in off-coverage, and whose strengths are zone spacing and anticipation. Given that our defense employs a lot of that kind of thing, I'm guessing he has looked more "natural" a lot of the time than Elam. He's like Levi Wallace: big, physical, smart zone corner who can play within the scheme and be successful, but who is probably going to struggle when asked to stick with receivers in man coverage. The preseason games will certainly tell us more, but I have high hopes for both guys. Benford seems like he has a high floor but lower ceiling. Elam seems like he has a lower floor, but much higher ceiling. White, Jackson, Elam, Benford has the chance to be a really good depth chart at outside corner. 21 3 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Imagine if Benford winds up winning the CB job, I still think Eliam will figure it out and be a great CB. Why not Benford? Richard Sherman was a 5th round pick. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let's Go Buffalo Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Really excited to see what the rookies can do. I know it's just pre-season, but this draft class has me really excited about tuning in to the pre-season games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Why not Benford? Richard Sherman was a 5th round pick. Why not both? I'd love to have an embarrassment of riches at CB.  6 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 18 minutes ago, Logic said: Regarding Elam vs Benford: It seems clear to me that the Bills want to get Elam out of his comfort zone and teach him to play off-coverage. Throughout his college career -- as acknowledged by Beane on draft night -- Elam was most comfortable in press-man. I think they already KNOW he can do that capably. The book on him was that he was pretty grabby and relies on his hands to win in coverage. As such, forcing him to get better at the thing he's worst at from day one by having him in off-coverage, throwing him out there on an island against Diggs and Davis and coaching him up on his weakest points...that's what I think is going on right now with Elam. Benford, meanwhile, is a less athletic corner who is ALREADY well-versed in off-coverage, and whose strengths are zone spacing and anticipation. Given that our defense employs a lot of that kind of thing, I'm guessing he has looked more "natural" a lot of the time than Elam. He's like Levi Wallace: big, physical, smart zone corner who can play within the scheme and be successful, but who is probably going to struggle when asked to stick with receivers in man coverage. The preseason games will certainly tell us more, but I have high hopes for both guys. Benford seems like he has a high floor but lower ceiling. Elam seems like he has a lower floor, but much higher ceiling. White, Jackson, Elam, Benford has the chance to be a really good depth chart at outside corner. Also of note is the new stressing to the regfs on illegal contact by the DB's for this year that evne more so would make me as a D coordinator feel a lot more better about zone vs so much press. So getting Elam more comfortable in zone would be a key until the teams get an idea how much flaggin is going to be goin on from the "consistent" reffing that will be taking place on this illegal contact stress to officials for this year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 29 minutes ago, 4thandGoal said: Not sure if you need glasses but would definitely take Carrie's legs.  🤤 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPL Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Physicsman said: Yes, in 2003. I'd even go so far as to say 3. Antoine Winfield, Nate Clements and Terrence McGee as Nickel.   I think Winfield was gone and Clements was on his way out by the time McGee came into his own. I feel like I remember him getting torched a ton and being a liability his first couple of seasons in the league. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeBreton Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Â haven't heard much about Sweeney at camp, good to see him making some plays. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BearNorth Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 hour ago, finn said: Agree, except that I always thought it would be nice to have more than solid opposite White. Did the Bills every have two excellent corners? At the time, I think Darby and Gilmore were regarded as a pretty competent duo. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, BearNorth said: At the time, I think Darby and Gilmore were regarded as a pretty competent duo. Winfield and Clements? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 9 minutes ago, MPL said:  I think Winfield was gone and Clements was on his way out by the time McGee came into his own. I feel like I remember him getting torched a ton and being a liability his first couple of seasons in the league. I think they all overlapped in 2003, which was McGee’s rookie year and Winfield’s last year as a Bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 18 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Â Good to see Hyde's ass is feeling better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Physicsman Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 12 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: I think they all overlapped in 2003, which was McGee’s rookie year and Winfield’s last year as a Bill. Yes, in 2003 Clements and Winfield were our outside corners and McGee was the Nickel (slot) corner. Then in 2004 after Winfield left, McGee was moved to outside corner alongside Clements. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 2 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said: This is great news. This coaching staff is hesitant to compliment rookies, so it must be very noticeable improvement. I seriously do not think Leslie Frazier has ever had a negative thing to say about any player on the Bills he has ever coached or been around. A little more bite would not be a bad thing. I think he makes milk toast seem jacked up. Could be why noone is hiring him to be their head coach. You don't need to be a walking freakshow. But we aren't playing shuffle board or cornhole here. The passion and emotion of a Dan Campbell is at least entertaining and inspiring if nothing else.  1 2 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rhode Island Red Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, finn said: Agree, except that I always thought it would be nice to have more than solid opposite White. Did the Bills every have two excellent corners? Butch Byrd & Booker Edgerson. Championships. Edited August 10, 2022 by Rhode Island Red 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said: I seriously do not think Leslie Frazier has ever had a negative thing to say about any player on the Bills he has ever coached or been around. A little more bite would not be a bad thing. I think he makes milk toast seem jacked up. Could be why noone is hiring him to be their head coach. You don't need to be a walking freakshow. But we aren't playing shuffle board or cornhole here. The passion and emotion of a Dan Campbell is at least entertaining and inspiring if nothing else.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 3 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Imagine if Benford winds up winning the CB job, I still think Eliam will figure it out and be a great CB. I dont think anyone expects him to win a starting job over Elam and Jackson. Early on, there was talk that perhaps he would end up at safety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 13 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:    My two favorite players of all time.  Man, it is tough seeing Jim looking old. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MiltonWaddams Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:  My two favorite players of all time.  Man, it is tough seeing Jim looking old. I was thinking the same thing. Jim was the definition of what a qb should look like in the 80's and 90's. He has had so many challenges that have prematurely aged him relative to his contemporaries. Bless the man. I know Josh has supplanted him in most of our eyes, but Jim provided all Bills fans with memories that cannot and will not be forgotten. 12 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 2 hours ago, whorlnut said: It would prove my original theory that McD knows DBs and can coach up a late rounder into a solid player. I never thought we needed a first round corner, but whatever…  I don't know how McD can coach up Benford's speed... the biggest knock on him as an NFL prospect.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 minute ago, MiltonWaddams said: I was thinking the same thing. Jim was the definition of what a qb should look like in the 80's and 90's. He has had so many challenges that have prematurely aged him relative to his contemporaries. Bless the man. I know Josh has supplanted him in most of our eyes, but Jim provided all Bills fans with memories that cannot and will not be forgotten.  Yea, sadly due to his battles, he's aged far quicker than the likes of Elway and Marino.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ddaryl Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:  My two favorite players of all time.  Man, it is tough seeing Jim looking old. Considering 2 bouts with Cancer he looks damn good... 7 6 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Colin Cowherd is about to do a segment about Josh Allen. I didn't see what it was going to be about but I saw an icon of Allen saying "coming up". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 10, 2022 Author Share Posted August 10, 2022 This is Aaron’s daughter   1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, ddaryl said: Considering 2 bouts with Cancer he looks damn good... Â I think 33% of his jaw and nasal cavity area was removed? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, ddaryl said: Considering 2 bouts with Cancer he looks damn good... Chemo/radiation add 10 years. I bet he is plenty ok with the trade off. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: Â I think 33% of his jaw and nasal cavity area was removed? Â Yeah I remember the pictures. He looked deformed , but he had more surgeries to go at that point. Its just good to see Jim functioning well , and looking well 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 16 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:  I don't know how McD can coach up Benford's speed... the biggest knock on him as an NFL prospect.  track training is a real thing and can impact your speed when utilized properly. It's not going to make him Usain Bolt, but the guy isn't exactly a slug out there and has the athletic ability to train for speed. I cut .3 of my 40 in 6 months when I was training with a track program. Still slow AF...but it was something... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 29 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:  I don't know how McD can coach up Benford's speed... the biggest knock on him as an NFL prospect.  Benford is no burner for sure, but he actually timed a lot better than Levi Wallace at his pro day. 4.53 in the 40 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerDave Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 3 hours ago, ddaryl said: The Poyer shirt on Phillips really accentuates his curves He appears to be askinbg the staff member, "Does this Poyer jersey make me look fat?"  😆 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Â https://buffalofambase.com/2022/08/10/buffalo-bills-training-camp-tweets-aug-10/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 3 hours ago, finn said: Agree, except that I always thought it would be nice to have more than solid opposite White. Did the Bills every have two excellent corners? Butch Byrd and Booker Edgerson. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:    Jordan Phillips to Rachel Bush - "No baby, it's really me. Camp does weird things to a man. Can you rub some suntan lotion on me, baby?" 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 11 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Â https://buffalofambase.com/2022/08/10/buffalo-bills-training-camp-tweets-aug-10/ Is she just saying that to make our O-line coach look good? Who knows what will happen to the lawn chairs in the meanwhile! 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Â Â I sometimes forget how big Roussaeu is. That looks like more than a 3" inch difference in height, considering that Von is measured at 6'3 and Rouss at 6'6. Â I hope that this is the year for Rouss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 56 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:  I don't know how McD can coach up Benford's speed... the biggest knock on him as an NFL prospect.   Speed can be improved. Send him to Don Beebe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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