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6 games seems like a complete joke and you almost expect Goodell and the NFL to stand pat and move on so this story can finally disappear (although it never truly will).

 

In the end don't rule out karma and a serious injury happening to this scumbag who will not have played a regular season NFL game in almost 2 years by the time he takes the field after this suspension later this year.

 

 

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25 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Not that any of this matters -- but I hold political and ethical views that are often dismissed and mocked (I am an eccentric, but more or less traditionalist Catholic.) I actually quit my job because my employer was requiring actions I deemed incompatible with my beliefs. I continue to suffer economic hardship because of that action. I'm not opposed to acting upon one's ethical sense of what is right, but there is a point at which one is asking for a degree of purity that is simply not to be discovered in this world. And it's rather insufferable when that demand coincides with implicit contempt for ordinary folk who only wish to continue a fellowship that goes back generations in some cases.

Hey Doc.  The stance you took in your career was brave. I of course concur that purity in our entertainments will never happen..  Scumbaggery and mental illness are not mutually exclusive from talented athletically elite. The names roll off the tongue. We could cherry pick actors,  actresses, musicians you catch my drift.

 

Im not giving up on movies or music either and I do NOT excuse the scumbags their deeds not one bit.

 

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So I read that part of the judgement handed down by Judge Robinson is that Watson is required to get massages only from massage therapists provided by the Cleveland Browns from now on.

Soooo.....his conduct with independent therapists was egregious enough, and provable enough, for the judge to rule that he's not literally not even allowed to see them any more....but it's not bad enough to call for more than a six game suspension?

Nonsense.

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8 minutes ago, Logic said:

So I read that part of the judgement handed down by Judge Robinson is that Watson is required to get massages only from massage therapists provided by the Cleveland Browns from now on.

Soooo.....his conduct with independent therapists was egregious enough, and provable enough, for the judge to rule that he's not literally not even allowed to see them any more....but it's not bad enough to call for more than a six game suspension?

Nonsense.


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29 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

6 games seems like a complete joke and you almost expect Goodell and the NFL to stand pat and move on so this story can finally disappear (although it never truly will).

 

In the end don't rule out karma and a serious injury happening to this scumbag who will not have played a regular season NFL game in almost 2 years by the time he takes the field after this suspension later this year.

 

 


the guy has missed 23 games when all is said and done. I imagine this received at least slight consideration 

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11 minutes ago, Logic said:

So I read that part of the judgement handed down by Judge Robinson is that Watson is required to get massages only from massage therapists provided by the Cleveland Browns from now on.

Soooo.....his conduct with independent therapists was egregious enough, and provable enough, for the judge to rule that he's not literally not even allowed to see them any more....but it's not bad enough to call for more than a six game suspension?

Nonsense.

Part of the issue is that it feel like finding middle ground, but if you're punishing someone for something like this how is it a light sentence, even one case you wouldn't really want someone who does that in the league.

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:


the guy has missed 23 games when all is said and done. I imagine this received at least slight consideration 

He was paid for that.

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3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

6 games is an insult.  This is all left in Roger Godell's hands now.  I'll wait to see what he (the voice of the owners) decides.

Lol don’t wait up at night. The league wants profits and Watson being an above average talents QB gives them that. 

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22 minutes ago, Logic said:

So I read that part of the judgement handed down by Judge Robinson is that Watson is required to get massages only from massage therapists provided by the Cleveland Browns from now on.

Soooo.....his conduct with independent therapists was egregious enough, and provable enough, for the judge to rule that he's not literally not even allowed to see them any more....but it's not bad enough to call for more than a six game suspension?

Nonsense.

 

Top Turnbuckle post here

 

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1 hour ago, Logic said:

Based on the recent posturing of the league and of Watson's camp, I had a feeling the reports of a suspension between four and eight games was true. Lo and behold, it is.

I cannot, for the life of me, understand how that judge was able to look at the preponderance of evidence of egregious sexual misconduct -- and in some cases, outright sexual assault -- and decide that six games was sufficient punishment.

I realize that it's not apples to apples, but as others have pointed out, the fact that gambling or smoking pot has gotten players suspended for an entire year, but ejaculating on strangers without their consent gets just a six game punishment, is beyond ridiculous.

Honestly, the worst part is the hypocrisy and moral ickiness of his continued employment: If he was a fringe player -- say, a special teams linebacker or a WR5 -- he'd likely never play in the NFL again. No one would employ him, regardless of league punishment. Instead, because he's a talented quarterback, a team was willing to give him $250 million, and the league is willing to say "her served his time" and move on from it. He'll probably be in ads and NFL promo spots within a few years, like none of this ever happened.

This whole thing was and is and will continue to be super gross. Watson isn't even remorseful, either. Dispicable.

 

Because the NFL is only looking at 4 cases.  That was the case they brought on.  And apparently from their investigating there was not much evidence.  Robinson can't look at the 24 cases as that was not what was presented.  

 

Also, what evidence has been shown?  I am not questioning that there is, but I honestly haven't seen anywhere that was presented other than the he said/she said.  All I am saying is that if they can't show evidence, then it is hard to convict/punish someone for something that may or may not have happened.  That is usually what makes these types of cases so hard.  I am not saying it didn't happen as I have no idea, but without DNA evidence, witnesses, or something along those lines, it is extremely hard to prove.   If there is no evidence of him "ejaculating on strangers" then it can't be used in consideration.  If she has the clothing she was wearing with the DNA evidence, then by all means, use it.

 

Also, the league never said he "served his time."  Robinson isn't the league.  And as far as I can tell, last year wasn't used for the ruling in any way.

 

I have said this before several times.  Watson sure seems to be a sexual deviant of some kind.  How extreme he is, or how far he is willing to push the envelope, is unknown.  If there is any evidence at all that he assaulted one of these women, he should be in jail and suspended.  But so far, from what I have seen, there hasn't been any evidence presented.  Doesn't mean there isn't, but in these types of cases, you can't just guess or assume.  It's crazy tough on everyone to get this right.

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4 minutes ago, The Red King said:

Too low, but lack of evidence is a problem.  We can't go on gut feeling and what we "know", no matter how much we want to.  This ruling makes me sick, and despite what I just said, I think it should have been minimum 8-10 games.

It doesn’t sound like they lack evidence of “egregious behavior.” They lack evidence that there was physical force. Probably why there wasn’t an indictment in court. But spraying your fluid on someone or repeatedly removing a towel and exposing or moving the masseuse’s hand to where he wants it or asking for sexual things unrelated to a massage etc without consent during a massage isn’t “physically forceful” it’s sexual harassment at the minimum. 

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4 minutes ago, The Red King said:

Too low, but lack of evidence is a problem.  We can't go on gut feeling and what we "know", no matter how much we want to.  This ruling makes me sick, and despite what I just said, I think it should have been minimum 8-10 games.


they did not really need to meet a high evidentiary standard. The league’s stance is “conduct detrimental to the league” can be punished. Watson’s conduct was confirmed by Robinson. They met the standard. Only question is the magnitude of harm to the league and, subsequent to that, the magnitude of punishment. 
 

the guy is losing $345K. That’s a joke.

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5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

It doesn’t sound like they lack evidence of “egregious behavior.” They lack evidence that there was physical force. Probably why there wasn’t an indictment in court. But spraying your fluid on someone or repeatedly removing a towel and exposing etc without consent during a massage isn’t “forceful” it’s sexual harassment at the minimum. 

I believe it rises to assault3 in my state pretty easily. 

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16 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:


they did not really need to meet a high evidentiary standard. The league’s stance is “conduct detrimental to the league” can be punished. Watson’s conduct was confirmed by Robinson. They met the standard. Only question is the magnitude of harm to the league and, subsequent to that, the magnitude of punishment. 
 

the guy is losing $345K. That’s a joke.

 

I can see a situation where the league leaves the suspension at 6, but imposes a larger fine.  How that plays out, who knows.

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25 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

Because the NFL is only looking at 4 cases.  That was the case they brought on.  And apparently from their investigating there was not much evidence.  Robinson can't look at the 24 cases as that was not what was presented.  

 

Also, what evidence has been shown?  I am not questioning that there is, but I honestly haven't seen anywhere that was presented other than the he said/she said.  All I am saying is that if they can't show evidence, then it is hard to convict/punish someone for something that may or may not have happened.  That is usually what makes these types of cases so hard.  I am not saying it didn't happen as I have no idea, but without DNA evidence, witnesses, or something along those lines, it is extremely hard to prove.   If there is no evidence of him "ejaculating on strangers" then it can't be used in consideration.  If she has the clothing she was wearing with the DNA evidence, then by all means, use it.

 

Also, the league never said he "served his time."  Robinson isn't the league.  And as far as I can tell, last year wasn't used for the ruling in any way.

 

I have said this before several times.  Watson sure seems to be a sexual deviant of some kind.  How extreme he is, or how far he is willing to push the envelope, is unknown.  If there is any evidence at all that he assaulted one of these women, he should be in jail and suspended.  But so far, from what I have seen, there hasn't been any evidence presented.  Doesn't mean there isn't, but in these types of cases, you can't just guess or assume.  It's crazy tough on everyone to get this right.

 

As disgusted as I am by perv Watson, you are right on with this.  Equally important in my mind is almost all these women involved settled for cash and no admission of his guilt and ran with it.  I guess their individual horrors had a finite price.

 

24 cases, all very similar circumstances and behavior.  No criminal charges were brought, have to assume a lack of evidence, but I feel like convincing a jury in a civil case was pretty much a slam dunk.  Despite the hurt feelings, feelings were assuaged by quick, lucrative payouts.

 

I hope the NFL pushes for more.  What I really hope is the NFL changes the rules and finds a way to come down hard on the Browns.  Teams shouldn't be able to negotiate contracts when a player is facing a criminal situation.  

 

I firmly believe scumbag Haslam gave pervert Watson the guaranteed deal to empower Watson the financial support to pay everyone off and be minimally accountable. 

 

The saddest part for me is Watson is not accountable to correct his behavior and the Browns tampered with the entire process.  Would Watson have been able to pay everyone off without the new contract?

 

 

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Disgusting ruling.  NFL better up it a significant amount.

 

I can’t believe the browns have him a contract that limits how much money he loses.  NFL better tack on a fine equal to, or hopefully greater than his average per game check for the entire contract.

 

NFL really has to start cleaning up its image.  Do the right thing.

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The paranoid, conspiratorial side of me wonders if this wasn’t Goodell’s plan— In the closed-door session, suggest a compromise of six games. Then appeal the decision, add two to four games, and appear tough. Then, by the end of the regular season, the story has finally lost its legs. 
 

of course, Goodell would never be so manipulative…

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2 minutes ago, davefan66 said:

Disgusting ruling.  NFL better up it a significant amount.

 

I can’t believe the browns have him a contract that limits how much money he loses.  NFL better tack on a fine equal to, or hopefully greater than his average per game check for the entire contract.

 

NFL really has to start cleaning up its image.  Do the right thing.


if the rumors are to be believed, the other owners/GMs around the league are disgusted with the contract the Browns gave him. For good reason.

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4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Yet there is no precedent of this many cases.  Not even close.

 

The NFL only presented 4 cases.  Not 24.  People keep throwing out 24, but the NFL chose to focus on 4, so the other 20 don't have relevance in the NFL's case.

 

I have no idea why they only focused on 4.

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2 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

I knew it was going to be a short suspension when Watson’s lawyers released this statement last night:

 

the talk all along was that his lawyers planned to appeal any lengthy sentence. It isn’t hard to figure out why that suddenly changed…

There’s no way they put out the statement above without having a pretty good idea the sentence was going to be short.

 

I think Goodell sticks with 6 games.

 

If he ups it, NFLPA will sue and he doesn't want that.

 

He'll probably come out with a statement "While I strongly disagree with the finding, I will respect the judges ruling" or something along those lines

 

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I honestly read this and get a feeling that Judge Robinson by saying that this is in response to “public outcry just undermines the seriousness of the matter. And club approved therapists? Lol is this can’t be a real ruling can it..


Goddel should have just dropped the hammer and now it drags on for another couple days while we wait the next move.. 

 

 

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