Royale with Cheese Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Kingsbury at #4??? McDermott #18?? Both Super Bowl Coaches outside the top 10 and Zac Taylor #22?? https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-head-coach-rankings-2022-bill-belichick-andy-reid-john-harbaugh 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuba guy Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Must have used the dart board theory 2 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Kingsbury at #4??? McDermott #18?? Both Super Bowl Coaches outside the top 10 and Zac Taylor #22?? https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-head-coach-rankings-2022-bill-belichick-andy-reid-john-harbaugh And this is yet another example why PFF is trash. 1 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 (edited) Perfect example of why the world is in the shape it's in. Been proven many times they make up stuff to get reactions out of people but people need to feel something so let's keep spreading the bull####. Let's all get mad about a ranking this place did but make sure you give them their clicks. They need ad revenue so they can do it again next week and get more money. Edited June 7, 2022 by Not at the table Karlos 4 4 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 (edited) I'm not saying I agree with them, but they are basing it on if they had an average roster. So it's not a ranking on how the coaches have performed with their given team, but how they THINK they'd perform if every coach was given the exact same roster of average players. Edited June 7, 2022 by cle23 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Not even clicking on that bait. I assume it's based on some kind of advanced metric they made up? 1 minute ago, cle23 said: I'm not saying I agree with them, but they are basing it on if they had an average roster. So it's not a ranking on how the coaches have performed with their given team, but how they THINK they'd perform if every coach was given the exact same roster of average players. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Not even clicking on that bait. I assume it's based on some kind of advanced metric they made up? I have no idea, it honestly doesn't say. It just has W/L estimates "Based on an average roster", so I don't know what all went into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 so now we all hate pff right? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 7, 2022 Author Share Posted June 7, 2022 11 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Not even clicking on that bait. I assume it's based on some kind of advanced metric they made up? Yes. This metric states that Kliff Kingsbury is one of the best coaches in the league. Mike McCarthy is a top 10 coach and Zac Taylor is currently a worse HC than Lovie Smith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 For those that don't want to click (we salute you) 16. SEAN MCDERMOTT, BUFFALO BILLS (8.9 – 8.1 RECORD WITH AVERAGE ROSTER) Offensive Rank: 20/26 (+12 points scored a season) Defensive Rank: 7/26 (-4 points scored a season) McDermott sticks true to his roots as a former defensive coordinator, helming strong units on that side of the ball while not always getting expected results out of his offenses based on talent level. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 7, 2022 Author Share Posted June 7, 2022 13 minutes ago, cle23 said: I'm not saying I agree with them, but they are basing it on if they had an average roster. So it's not a ranking on how the coaches have performed with their given team, but how they THINK they'd perform if every coach was given the exact same roster of average players. Part of a HC's responsibility is to build a winning roster and develop the talent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, cle23 said: I'm not saying I agree with them, but they are basing it on if they had an average roster. So it's not a ranking on how the coaches have performed with their given team, but how they THINK they'd perform if every coach was given the exact same roster of average players. In a similarly useful, highly scientific exercise, I am going to rank the best flavors of ice cream but stipulate for the purposes of my rankings that they all have to taste like mashed potatoes. Talk about off-season filler content... Edited June 7, 2022 by Inigo Montoya 1 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 20 minutes ago, cle23 said: I'm not saying I agree with them, but they are basing it on if they had an average roster. So it's not a ranking on how the coaches have performed with their given team, but how they THINK they'd perform if every coach was given the exact same roster of average players. Funny, because McDermott took a below average roster, including a poor QB, to the playoffs in his first year as a head coach. 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 7, 2022 Author Share Posted June 7, 2022 11 minutes ago, MJS said: Funny, because McDermott took a below average roster, including a poor QB, to the playoffs in his first year as a head coach. Tyrod Taylor was throwing to Kelvin Benjamin, Dionte Thompson, Jordan Matthews, Andre Holmes and Charles Clay lol. Holy crap! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Without wanting to bother reading their content, I wonder if this is an example of recency bias regarding the :13 debacle or maybe an assessment of the last season in general. All the wins by double digits (talent gets the credit) and most of the losses by one score or less (head coaches blamed for game management.) The other odd thing about last year was how good Tyler Bass was but never got called on to make the difference with a game deciding kick. I do not sense that 2021 was Sean's best year navigating through the schedule with in-game decision making. Not necessarily consistently bad but consistently less than ideal outcomes. Ex. Josh Allen on a QB sneak vs. the Titans? Should be money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 18 minutes ago, MJS said: Funny, because McDermott took a below average roster, including a poor QB, to the playoffs in his first year as a head coach. Yeah, the real-life versions of this situation already happen. We've seen all of these coaches succeed and fail with average rosters. Or maybe PFF should just host a Madden tournament with all the coaches? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Looks like McDermott is getting dinged for a few reasons 1) This team "underperformed" last year based on expected wins per the Pythagorean model. We had the best point differential in the league and finished "only" 11-6. That's a full 2 wins fewer than expected. 2) Josh Allen is a top QB on a rookie contract. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Belichick, Reid and Harbaugh aren't a bad top 3, but after that it gets goofy, IMO By the time Belichick and Reid retire they could be #1 and #2 all-time in career wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecmic82 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 The defining metric of “what the coach would achieve with an average roster” necessarily precludes what the coach has IMPACTED on his actual rosters. For example, I’d guess PFF accounts for each Bills’ defensive player’s performance in their algorithm, but don’t account for the Bills’ coaching staff’s impact on each defensive player’s performance (because, how the hell could that be quantified?). And, then, what the f*ck is the point? Ad revenue? Yeah, for ad revenue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: Looks like McDermott is getting dinged for a few reasons 1) This team "underperformed" last year based on expected wins per the Pythagorean model. We had the best point differential in the league and finished "only" 11-6. That's a full 2 wins fewer than expected. 2) Josh Allen is a top QB on a rookie contract. There's a certain irony for PFF to ding McDermott for this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 58 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Not even clicking on that bait. I assume it's based on some kind of advanced metric they made up? Exactly, i never click on any pff article/link, they make crap up all the time and present it as if it was legitimate, pff is trash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 I think this falls into the "Breaking News" category Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: Kingsbury at #4??? McDermott #18?? Both Super Bowl Coaches outside the top 10 and Zac Taylor #22?? https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-head-coach-rankings-2022-bill-belichick-andy-reid-john-harbaugh Wacky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 (edited) PFF seems to give more weight to a coach’s offensive ranking than defensive, when assigning an overall ranking. Wondering whether their offensive and defensive rankings underscore the player development aspect and team cohesiveness aspects of fielding a winning team too, which I view as strengths of McDermott. On the other hand, is in-game management considered here? Edited June 7, 2022 by strive_for_five_guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 34 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: Belichick, Reid and Harbaugh aren't a bad top 3, but after that it gets goofy, IMO By the time Belichick and Reid retire they could be #1 and #2 all-time in career wins. Yea it is the right top 3. Their methodology does kind of depend on the GM and personnel side as well though.... you get credit for getting production out of lower contracts and you get knocked for not getting production out of higher contracts based on how I read it. So if you have a guy on a big deal under producing that all goes against the coach whereas the reality in many cases is it is just a bad contract by the GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 7, 2022 Author Share Posted June 7, 2022 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Yea it is the right top 3. Their methodology does kind of depend on the GM and personnel side as well though.... you get credit for getting production out of lower contracts and you get knocked for not getting production out of higher contracts based on how I read it. So if you have a guy on a big deal under producing that all goes against the coach whereas the reality in many cases is it is just a bad contract by the GM. If this list was 5-7 years ago, I would have Belicheck up there. I don't think he's even top 5 now. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 1 hour ago, MJS said: Funny, because McDermott took a below average roster, including a poor QB, to the playoffs in his first year as a head coach. 13 seconds... like it or not thats on coaching. Goes right to the top to the HC for preparedness of these situations 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: Kingsbury at #4??? McDermott #18?? Both Super Bowl Coaches outside the top 10 and Zac Taylor #22?? https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-head-coach-rankings-2022-bill-belichick-andy-reid-john-harbaugh Wow! Can't help but to question some of those rankings lol. Just another one of those things to add to the list from PFF that I can't take serious. Edited June 7, 2022 by Sheneneh Jenkins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: 13 seconds... like it or not thats on coaching. Goes right to the top to the HC for preparedness of these situations Get over it. McDermott is a top tier coach in this league. If you choose to condemn him for 13 seconds and ignore the rest of what he has accomplished, that is on you. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: Tyrod Taylor was throwing to Kelvin Benjamin, Dionte Thompson, Jordan Matthews, Andre Holmes and Charles Clay lol. Holy crap! He was throwing ? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 7, 2022 Author Share Posted June 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, julian said: He was throwing ? Good question. More likely holding the ball and holding the ball and then scramble. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Kingsbury at #4??? McDermott #18?? Both Super Bowl Coaches outside the top 10 and Zac Taylor #22?? https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-head-coach-rankings-2022-bill-belichick-andy-reid-john-harbaugh Thats the PFF we know and love. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 25 minutes ago, MJS said: Get over it. McDermott is a top tier coach in this league. If you choose to condemn him for 13 seconds and ignore the rest of what he has accomplished, that is on you. What’s top tier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: Good question. More likely holding the ball and holding the ball and then scramble. Lost my voice many of time screaming at t.v "throw the ***** ball" Just now, GoBills808 said: What’s top tier? Always understood it to be top 5 or 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said: Lost my voice many of time screaming at t.v "throw the ***** ball" Always understood it to be top 5 or 10. I’d have him around 10, that’s fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Just now, GoBills808 said: I’d have him around 10, that’s fair. Yeah, doesn't seem far off. I'd say anywhere between 5-8 for me. Speaking for myself, I'd consider that a "top tier". Others may feel differently I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: If this list was 5-7 years ago, I would have Belicheck up there. I don't think he's even top 5 now. I disagree. His 7-9 coaching job two years ago with a bottom 5 roster and the absolute worst QB play in the league was one of his best coached seasons IMO. Even getting them to 10 wins last year. I think they should, by talent alone, be one of the worst 5 teams in the league this season. It is probably bad for the Pats that he keeps them overachieving with their talent because they need some difference makers and they have stopped finding them later in the draft so early picks would help. But he is still coaching the hell out of that team. They are just less talented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 I'm not a big believer in McDermott but I certainly wouldn't say he's the 22nd best coach in this league regardless of his shortcomings in the playoffs and/or against good teams. I still think at worse he should be in that 10 - 15 range if anything because his body of work and how this franchise has changed in recent years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Shirley they can’t be serious with a Mike McCarthy in the top 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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