What to do at CB?

[0017]

On 3/17/2022 at 8:23 PM, TheProcess said:

I think they are drafting CB in first or second round if the value is there. As for FA, if they can swing it, wouldn’t mind grabbing a Patrick Peterson or Joe Haden for the accomplished vet presence. If you can entice them to come help make a legit run at it on the cheap. Wouldn’t mind Donte Jackson either. 

I didn’t realize Patrick Peterson and stephon Gilmore are both 31 years old, I think if we could get Peterson for a decent price I’d definitely love to see him on our team!! He still has some good football left!

[NewEra]

27 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Yea not a fan of what they done with the offensive line to this point…. And I hope that signing doesn’t mean they plan on running it more… this is a passing offense with one of the best passing QBs in the league…. Get him some guys who can pass block. Scaffold and Brown(early I know) both struggle in that department… I’m all for a first round tackle with the ability to play inside. 

Agreed.  I have faith that he has a plan and the OL will get taken care of.  I love pretty much everything else we’ve done.  I like the Duke Johnson add more and more. Great hands and is tough.  Crowder is a great fit in the slot to pair with Isaiah.  Diggs and Davis outside and add another outside guy in rd 1-3.  Davis was a 4th rd guy….and we have josh allen, who will make almost anyone we draft into a beast.  Oj was the best possible TE2 add we could get in FA imo.  And our DL is now big, strong, tough and has attitude and the best vet in the league that can help the kids and destroy Super Bowls.  Considering the 2.5M we had in room….I couldn’t be happier.

26 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

How does Saffold compare to what we’ve had at OG? That’s all that matters.

He’s an upgrade in the run game and not so sure about in pass protection.  Gonna have to watch him more in depth. Haven’t watched any tape.  Everything I’ve read and seen on YouTube says that he’s been bad in pass protection the last 2 years.  

[ndirish1978]

You sign Bradberry when he gets inevitably cut by the Giants. 

[Rocky Landing]

I'm wondering if some of the posters on here who follow college ball, and draft prospects can share their opinions on some of the top corners in the draft, and would there be one worth trading up for?

[gonzo1105]

2 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

I'm wondering if some of the posters on here who follow college ball, and draft prospects can share their opinions on some of the top corners in the draft, and would there be one worth trading up for?

The top CBS are 

 

Ahmad Gardner Cincinnati

Derek Stingley LSU

Andrew Booth Clemson

Trent McDuffie Washington

Kaiir Elam Florida

 

These are the consensus top 5 guys from most people. 
 

Gardner we have zero shot at unless we trade up. Stingley probably the same. Though I have heard he is slipping some but prob not all the way to the Bills 

 

The other 3 are kind of all over the first round. Most have 1 or the 3 on the board. Elam has everything you look for in a modern CB. Problem is his last year he was inconsistent. 
 

McDuffie is a sound CB that doesn’t have the INTs to back it up. 
 

Booth is another guy that I think does better in zone schemes than press man, making him more of a fit for the Bills. 
 

Id rank em for the Bills:

Gardner

Booth

Stingley

McDuffie

Elam

 

other options are

Roger McCreary Auburn(bad scheme fit)

Kyler Gordon Washington( Great fit average measurables)

Martin Emerson Miss State

Realistic trade up guys are Booth and McDuffie, tho it’s possible one is on the board at 25 

[Locomark]

It isn’t dire. Every year guys like Haden and Peterson and Callahan overvalue what they will get and it takes 2 weeks for the market to tell them they won’t. I expect Vonn to help us there and maybe we get Callahan. Wait 10 more days. Personally I like Haden. They will draft a CB2 in round 1 or 2 and may even package picks to move up to get a player. I hear Beane say best player available but this year they won’t look past a quality CB. 

[Magnum Force]

Nfl.com CB draft grades 

Gardiner 6.72
McDuffie 6.70
Stingley Jr 6.50
Booth 6.40
Elam 6.38
Gordon 6.31
McCreary 6.28
Bryant 6.20
Jobe 6.12
Woolen 6.00
Taylor-Britt 5.96
Kendrick 5.96
Emerson 5.80
 

[Back2Buff]

1 minute ago, Magnum Force said:

Nfl.com CB draft grades 

Gardiner 6.72
McDuffie 6.70
Stingley Jr 6.50
Booth 6.40
Elam 6.38
Gordon 6.31
McCreary 6.28
Bryant 6.20
Jobe 6.12
Woolen 6.00
Taylor-Britt 5.96
Kendrick 5.96
Emerson 5.80
 

 

I'll take any of the top 5, besides Stingley.

7 hours ago, Locomark said:

It isn’t dire. Every year guys like Haden and Peterson and Callahan overvalue what they will get and it takes 2 weeks for the market to tell them they won’t. I expect Vonn to help us there and maybe we get Callahan. Wait 10 more days. Personally I like Haden. They will draft a CB2 in round 1 or 2 and may even package picks to move up to get a player. I hear Beane say best player available but this year they won’t look past a quality CB. 

 

Pretty confident Callahan is a nickel CB, something we dont need

[Gugny]

7 hours ago, Locomark said:

It isn’t dire. Every year guys like Haden and Peterson and Callahan overvalue what they will get and it takes 2 weeks for the market to tell them they won’t. I expect Vonn to help us there and maybe we get Callahan. Wait 10 more days. Personally I like Haden. They will draft a CB2 in round 1 or 2 and may even package picks to move up to get a player. I hear Beane say best player available but this year they won’t look past a quality CB. 

 

Who is CB1?

[Magnum Force]

1 minute ago, Back2Buff said:

 

I'll take any of the top 5, besides Stingley.

 

Pretty confident Callahan is a nickel CB, something we dont need

I think McDuffie could potentially be there…that would make it interesting.  Gardiner and Stingley will be gone.  

[Back2Buff]

43 minutes ago, Magnum Force said:

I think McDuffie could potentially be there…that would make it interesting.  Gardiner and Stingley will be gone.  

 

You run to podium if McDuffie is there, even if Booth is there.  I think Stingley may end up falling, while a guy like Elam could end up jumping.

[dje85]

35 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

 

You run to podium if McDuffie is there, even if Booth is there.  I think Stingley may end up falling, while a guy like Elam could end up jumping.

Just adding to your post, I think McDuffie or Stingley would be great choices hopefully one or both of them fall to us.

 

McDuffie is an ideal Bills style corner. He blankets corners (though doesn;t have a lot of explosive plays to show for it) and he is super physical against the run he seems to like to hit. He also could return punts.

 

Stingley may be the most physically complete corner in the draft who would be cb1 if he played more the past two seasons imo. That said he is less physical in run support than Mcduffie but he will likely put up more explosive plays in general of the two. 

 

 I'd add Sauce Gardner too but we all know he isn't dropping low enough to reach him. 

 

1 hour ago, Magnum Force said:

I think McDuffie could potentially be there…that would make it interesting.  Gardiner and Stingley will be gone.  

Stingley may drop lower than you think just due to his limited playing time the past two years due to injury (weirder things have happened) but based on talent alone, yes, he should be gone before we pick. 

[mob16151]

Tariq Woolen at 25. Kids raw at CB,but is a absolute freak of an athlete.

 

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/tariq-woolen-utsa-cb-nfl-draft-scouting-report-2022/

[LABILLBACKER]

On 3/17/2022 at 8:38 PM, Allen2Diggs said:

I think the plan is to wait for a bargain veteran cornerback and take a cb in the early rounds of the draft. Andrew Booth may be there when we pick, but Trent McDuffie is worth trading up for if be falls out of the top 15

I agree. I like both Booth & McDuffie the most. If either of these guys fall, you 100% go CB.  Even if we were to sign a Haden or Peterson to a 1 yr deal.  Then get your speed wr in the 2nd round. 

[Allen2Moulds]

I don't know if it was this week's mmqb by Peter King, but it was definitely something Peter King wrote, about the 4 teams most likely to trade with NYG, and Buffalo was number 1. It also could of been when he was a guest on the Herd, sorry I don't remember the specifics, but this got me thinking, that we might already have the framework of a trade to move up with NYG, to get the top corner of the draft (Sauce Gardner).

 

I know it would cost us 25# this year, 32 next year, and maybe even a mid round pick somewhere, but this would be the time to do it.  

[dje85]

11 minutes ago, mob16151 said:

Tariq Woolen at 25. Kids raw at CB,but is a absolute freak of an athlete.

 

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/tariq-woolen-utsa-cb-nfl-draft-scouting-report-2022/

I will throw things if we take him at pick 25. He is way too raw right now for my liking. He won't be ready to start for a few years. Yes, you can't teach speed but you also can't expect a kid who went to UTSA and only has two years of corner experience to cover NFL receivers.  With how talented and deep this draft is at cb if we took him before the third I would be ticked off. I want a day 1 starter at cb if we are taking someone at 25. 

 

And even taking him in the third round I would be taking him based off physical traits not talent. His play warrants a 6th or 7th round pick at best. Kid whiffs tackles, isn't a great cover corner, and isn't nearly as physical in the run game as he needs to be for the NFL. Not saying he can't learn just he isn't there right now and he is the type of guy that usually goes in the 6th or 7th to develop who would have if he didn't kill the combine. 

Edited March 22, 2022 by dje85

[Turbo44]

18 minutes ago, mob16151 said:

Tariq Woolen at 25. Kids raw at CB,but is a absolute freak of an athlete.

 

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/tariq-woolen-utsa-cb-nfl-draft-scouting-report-2022/

Like Tariq a lot but not at 25.  Would love a top WR at 25 then trade up to the middle of the 2nd for Tariq

11 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said:

I don't know if it was this week's mmqb by Peter King, but it was definitely something Peter King wrote, about the 4 teams most likely to trade with NYG, and Buffalo was number 1. It also could of been when he was a guest on the Herd, sorry I don't remember the specifics, but this got me thinking, that we might already have the framework of a trade to move up with NYG, to get the top corner of the draft (Sauce Gardner).

 

I know it would cost us 25# this year, 32 next year, and maybe even a mid round pick somewhere, but this would be the time to do it.  

Are we even sure Sauce lasts to 7 though.  Trade would probably be contingent on that

[Charles Romes]

Pat Narduzzi the Pitt Panthers coach commented on Moving the Chains yesterday that all of the offenses late in the season last year consistently attacked “the other corner” not Dane Jackson. Looks like the front office agreed with that assessment. 

[dje85]

10 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said:

I don't know if it was this week's mmqb by Peter King, but it was definitely something Peter King wrote, about the 4 teams most likely to trade with NYG, and Buffalo was number 1. It also could of been when he was a guest on the Herd, sorry I don't remember the specifics, but this got me thinking, that we might already have the framework of a trade to move up with NYG, to get the top corner of the draft (Sauce Gardner).

 

I know it would cost us 25# this year, 32 next year, and maybe even a mid round pick somewhere, but this would be the time to do it.  

The minimal drop in talents between the top five or sic corners in this draft would keep me from doing this. Especially for Sauce Gardner. There are some pundits who isn;t even his top corner in this draft on their board. Joe Marino has him as the third best corner for example. I think we can stay where we are at and get a very very talented corner in Booth, Stingley, McDuffie or Elam. 

[FLFan]

I am quite sure Beane is well aware of what he does and does not have on the roster, more so than the OP.  Despite the panic around these parts the sky is not actually falling and the season is still six months away. 

[Turbo44]

7 minutes ago, Charles Romes said:

Pat Narduzzi the Pitt Panthers coach commented on Moving the Chains yesterday that all of the offenses late in the season last year consistently attacked “the other corner” not Dane Jackson. Looks like the front office agreed with that assessment. 

Agree 100%.  Dane held up really well in the playoffs.  Now, the Bills may have been giving Dane more safety help than Wallace but the fact Wallace only got $4m per and the Bills weren't interested says a lot. I blame coaches for Wallace's alignment on the two passes in the last 13 seconds but in retrospect perhaps Wallace lined up wrong??  We'll never know.

[Allen2Moulds]

28 minutes ago, dje85 said:

The minimal drop in talents between the top five or sic corners in this draft would keep me from doing this. Especially for Sauce Gardner. There are some pundits who isn;t even his top corner in this draft on their board. Joe Marino has him as the third best corner for example. I think we can stay where we are at and get a very very talented corner in Booth, Stingley, McDuffie or Elam. 

I hear where you were coming from, and Beane may agree with you, but CB is a premium position that always goes a little earlier than expected. I know we went with Rosseau last year, who I was happy with, but Beane mentioned that they had their eyes on a couple of corners, but they all went before they're pick. It comes down to how they have these guys graded, and how big the gaps are between tiers. The one thing that we have sorely missed in the secondary, is both speed and length. I don't think we wait around this year, it may not be as high as 7 or 5 with NYG, but I don't think they'll settle for whoever drops. 

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

3 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I agree. I like both Booth & McDuffie the most. If either of these guys fall, you 100% go CB.  Even if we were to sign a Haden or Peterson to a 1 yr deal.  Then get your speed wr in the 2nd round. 

My ideal scenario is Booth in the 1st and Jahan Dotson in the 2nd. Then the best available guard in the 3rd (maybe Parham or Strange)

[Matt_In_NH]

Find a cheap vet (no need to panic or rush) and draft a guy.  And find some others to compete and develop.  Wallace was an undrafted guy who played a lot as a rookie, it can happen.  

[TheBeaneBandit]

1 hour ago, Allen2Diggs said:

My ideal scenario is Booth in the 1st and Jahan Dotson in the 2nd. Then the best available guard in the 3rd (maybe Parham or Strange)

That would be the dream but I just cant see Dotson make it past early 2nd round.

[Turbo44]

1 hour ago, Allen2Diggs said:

My ideal scenario is Booth in the 1st and Jahan Dotson in the 2nd. Then the best available guard in the 3rd (maybe Parham or Strange)

Dotson in the 2nd is extremely unlikely. He’s a 1st round talent and if he makes it to the 2nd round there will be too many teams early in the 2nd who are looking for a wr who didn’t take one with their first 

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

11 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:

Dotson in the 2nd is extremely unlikely. He’s a 1st round talent and if he makes it to the 2nd round there will be too many teams early in the 2nd who are looking for a wr who didn’t take one with their first 

I think there's a chance Booth and Dotson are both gone at those picks, but I'm thinking the fact that Booth didn't run the 40 at the combine and Dotson's lack of size (178 pounds) could cause them to fall to us.

Edited March 23, 2022 by Allen2Diggs

[Malazan]

Given the way Beane has been going this offseason, I assume we're trading for Jaire Alexander. 

Edited March 23, 2022 by Malazan

[MAJBobby]

I kinda like the Idea of Giants you eat half. 6.5M. And you get a 3rd. 
 

gives you that CB2 and immediate Tre Injury insurance as a good Cap number. 

[Ray Finkel]

Trade Edmunds and get more cap space for Bradberry.

[whorlnut]

What sort of compensation would get this done?

[CountDorkula]

12 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

I kinda like the Idea of Giants you eat half. 6.5M. And you get a 3rd. 
 

gives you that CB2 and immediate Tre Injury insurance as a good Cap number. 

Isn't his base salary like 14 million?

 

They'd have to hold basically all of it for Buffalo to be able to fit him in.

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, CountDorkula said:

Isn't his base salary like 14 million?

 

They'd have to hold basically all of it for Buffalo to be able to fit him in.

It is 13M. And the Bills can easily fit 6.5M cap hit. 
 

example you can get the 6.5M in space with a Diggs extension. 

4 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

What sort of compensation would get this done?

I think a 3rd will get it done with Giants eating half the base. 

[JGMcD2]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

It is 13M. And the Bills can easily fit 6.5M cap hit. 
 

example you can get the 6.5M in space with a Diggs extension. 

I think a 3rd will get it done with Giants eating half the base. 

Oof. For 1 year?

 

 

[whorlnut]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

It is 13M. And the Bills can easily fit 6.5M cap hit. 
 

example you can get the 6.5M in space with a Diggs extension. 

I think a 3rd will get it done with Giants eating half the base. 

I’d be all for it. 100%. Proven player and takes care of CB. 

[gflande1]

Spotrac shows his cap hit at $21M, with a base of $13.4M. I’m not a expert on cap, but how would they fit that? I’d be cool walking away from Bates and freeing up that 2.5 for Bradberry, but I don’t see how it could be done

[TBBills]

1 minute ago, JGMcD2 said:

Oof. For 1 year?

 

 

1 year rental with Tre being injured

[TheBeaneBandit]

Figure it out Bills!

[MAJBobby]

6 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Oof. For 1 year?

 

 

Yep. And if it secures the CB spot and helps get a Trophy would you really care about not having a 2022 Late 3rd?

7 minutes ago, gflande1 said:

Spotrac shows his cap hit at $21M, with a base of $13.4M. I’m not a expert on cap, but how would they fit that? I’d be cool walking away from Bates and freeing up that 2.5 for Bradberry, but I don’t see how it could be done

The majority of the cap hit goes away with a trade. And a Diggs extension can open up the space to fit the remaining contract Giants don’t eat. 

[JGMcD2]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Yep. And if it secures the CB spot and helps get a Trophy would you really care about not having a 2022 Late 3rd?

In a world where it’s guaranteed - absolutely.

 

Unfortunately it’s not, and I’m skeptical James Bradberry is the missing link to winning a Super Bowl. 
 

The Giants are getting desperate to move him. I’m not giving up a 3rd for 1 year and taking a $6.5M cap hit.