No criminal charges for Deshaun Watson; civil deposition 3/15

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

Andy Reid and was all set to sign him as the KC backup QB until he got acquitted.  

Edited March 11, 2022 by HereComesTheReignAgain

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Just now, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

Andy Reid was all set to sign him as a backup QB until he got acquitted.  

Yer bad.

[GunnerBill]

21 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

how so?  It was a grand jury.   Only the public and public employees were present.  
 

no money involved

 

It has nothing to do with money. It almost certainly has to do with a lack of 3rd party corroboration. 

 

I have been saying for a year that unless there is a lot more that is not in the public domain the evidence we have all seen is insufficient to secure a criminal prosecution. 

Just now, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

Andy Reid was all set to sign him as a backup QB until he got acquitted.  

 

Don't worry he has found Henry Ruggs' number. 

[Dopey]

Should have been a class action lawsuit, with so many involved. 

[Big Blitz]

11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

But McDaniel has already given Tua a promise ring

 

 

 

He might as well be saying goodbye.  

 

If Miami wants him even remotely this is where Watson wants to be this is where he's going.  

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

It's got to be Seattle right?

Seattle, Pittsburgh, Indy?

 

others Vegas, AZ w/the Murray stuff,

Cleveland w/the Baker looming extension, 

Baltimore  w/the Lamar looming extension,

 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Dopey said:

Should have been a class action lawsuit, with so many involved. 

 

How does a criminal lawsuit brought by the state get brought as a class action? I do not profess to be an expert in US criminal law but I don't see how that is possible. The only parties in a criminal case are the defendant and the state.

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Well the court of public opinion doesn’t mean anything at the end of the day. The only thing that matters is legal decisions and team owners. 

 

Owners have penalized players even though they won in legal courts.

it is easier to punish players when they were also convicted in legal courts.

[Dopey]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

How does a criminal lawsuit brought by the state get brought as a class action? I do not profess to be an expert in US criminal law but I don't see how that is possible. The only parties in a criminal case are the defendant and the state.

It was a joke, but I was referring to the 22 women who were suing him. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chron.com/sports/texans/amp/22-women-lawsuits-Texans-Deshaun-Watson-named-16104043.php

 

 

https://www.classaction.org/learn/how-to-start

 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Dopey said:

It was a joke, but I was referring to the 22 women who were suing him. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chron.com/sports/texans/amp/22-women-lawsuits-Texans-Deshaun-Watson-named-16104043.php

 

 

https://www.classaction.org/learn/how-to-start

 

 

Yes I know what a class action is. I advise the UK government on civil and administrative law. I was questioning how it works in criminal prosecutions. It can work in some quasi criminal administrative proceedings - the typical one being health and safety at work disputes. But in a classic criminal case a class action is impossible. The 22 would be witnesses, not parties. 

[Hebert19]

Panthers bucs or saints.  

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

The funny thing is, something creepy happened, of that I’m sure. What it was exactly, I really don’t think I want to know. 

 

At the very least we know he was constantly seeking out new massage therapists on Instagram. That isn't normal for professional athletes, most of them like to stick to a professional they have used before. It's clear to me at least that Watson was looking for thrills. But the jump from that to criminal charges is large and nearly impossible to prove.

[RyanC883]

2 hours ago, Blainorama5 said:

Colin Kaepernick would probably disagree with that statement.  The NFL is a perception-heavy league - internally and externally.

 

or skipping a tryout and having about 1/1000th of Watson’s talent. 

Tampa makes the most sense for him.    But do they have the cap space?   Seattle is interesting, with all those draft picks then getting possibly a QB upgrade?  

[stuvian]

30 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Between toes and this, you're downright 'straight razor totin' nasty' the past couple of days! 😁

Lock down crazy. The Ottawa convoy protests were in our neighborhood. We had to get through police checkpoints to get to our place. Then the horns ran all night and helicopters circled overhead during the day. On top of that it's been minus 25 Celsius most of the new year. I also had omicron for most of January. So yeah. Cabin fever has taken hold. Good news is I retire at the end of the month.

[Dopey]

11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yes I know what a class action is. I advise the UK government on civil and administrative law. I was questioning how it works in criminal prosecutions. It can work in some quasi criminal administrative proceedings - the typical one being health and safety at work disputes. But in a classic criminal case a class action is impossible. The 22 would be witnesses, not parties. 

Again, JOKE.

Good thing I don't make a living being a stand up comedian. You would have heckled me. No?

[mannc]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think he can just settle the civil suits 

Yep….

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

31 minutes ago, stuvian said:

Lock down crazy. The Ottawa convoy protests were in our neighborhood. We had to get through police checkpoints to get to our place. Then the horns ran all night and helicopters circled overhead during the day. On top of that it's been minus 25 Celsius most of the new year. I also had omicron for most of January. So yeah. Cabin fever has taken hold. Good news is I retire at the end of the month.

Good to hear the BS is over, and retirement is soon.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It has nothing to do with money. It almost certainly has to do with a lack of 3rd party corroboration. 

 

I have been saying for a year that unless there is a lot more that is not in the public domain the evidence we have all seen is insufficient to secure a criminal prosecution. 

 

Don't worry he has found Henry Ruggs' number. 

yeah the “rich guy gets off” and “ Monet talks” are really lazy takes here

[The Jokeman]

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

Carolina makes all the sense in the world.  
 

Low key media market.  Only two hours from Clemson and four hours from his hometown

Unless Lovie Smith pounds the table for him to stay in Houston. Carolina would make sense yet would Houston be dumb enough to take on Darnold? 

[billybob71]

3 hours ago, njbuff said:

He wouldn’t wave it to go to them? Or he won’t? Or can’t?

Wait.. he is waving it around again already? Dude just got outta court

[HamSandwhich]

3 hours ago, DapperCam said:

I thought that you could indict a ham sandwich?

Hey man! 

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

He might as well be saying goodbye.  

 

If Miami wants him even remotely this is where Watson wants to be this is where he's going.  

I can't see him in Miami after the Flores fiasco.

[BuffaloBills1998]

2 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

I can't see him in Miami after the Flores fiasco.

It was rumored he still wants to go to Miami regardless of Flores no longer being with the team

Edited March 12, 2022 by BuffaloBills1998

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

He's going to have to settle all the civil suits to make this all go away.

 

It could be 2M per hand*** but a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do

Edited March 12, 2022 by JakeFrommStateFarm

[Brand J]

The timing of it all was really weird. Watson was vocal about leaving the Texans and all of a sudden all these women came crawling out of hiding to prosecute him? Hmm.
Watson definitely is no angel, but did he rape those women or force them to do anything against their will ala R Kelly? Guess we’ll never know but I have my doubts. I’m sure they were all well paid after their “massage sessions” as well.

Edited March 12, 2022 by JayBaller10

[DrPJax]

2 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Well the court of public opinion doesn’t mean anything at the end of the day. The only thing that matters is legal decisions and team owners. 

And OJ was also found not guilty.  Sorry but this is a narcissist with so many complaints , and I will hold off wishing to see him play again until he is cleared in all civil suits.  This is not normal behavior , how many people have had this many complaints filed against them ;  how many people in your life do you know with even one suit like this against them?  Just because it’s a he said / she said case is no reason to excuse this pattern of behavior as ok because they dropped criminal charges. If it was a single case , I would totally be understanding.  Not all those women coming forward are motivated by money and wish to put themselves thru all this scrutiny. Why does a guy have so many masseuses when most pros have their own personal team of people they surround themselves with, let alone most teams also employ people for these services yet  he had to have his massages outside of team facilities?  Hmmmm. Just the fact that he kept moving on to so many different women ( also why haven’t we heard of any males he hired for massage? Seems unusual again as there are many male trainers and masseuses around NFL teams) suggests something unusual was going on.  Hard to believe so many women would be outright lying as opposed to just this one male; doesn’t pass the sniff test or common sense approach. 

Our legal system is terrible, and I have seen many unbelievable things while testifying in malpractice cases as an expert ( facts get twisted or ignored and evidence can be disallowed etc)  and even in contract disputes from a business standpoint where corporations or individuals with money work the system against those who can’t afford to hire high paid representation, so all I am saying is where there is smoke etc!  I a sure the high morality NFL will have a place for this guy and he will continue to be enabled because of his ability to play football.  Just for a comparison , I wonder how many women Josh goes to for massage and how many suits will be filed against him for this type of behavior ?  Yeah , I am betting  it never happens because his pattern of behavior is the antithesis of this guy.   Good luck to the franchise getting him because behavior is a hard thing to change and good luck with the chance this never happens again.
 

 Patterns mean something and that’s why history is an important learning tool in behavioral science.  I am sure he will settle, of course ,  because he can afford to , not because he wants to prove his complete innocence, and the NFL will embrace him like he did nothing ( however they did suspend him for a year so again they must have felt some justification legally to do so ).   The court of “ public” opinion may mean a lot more in civil court since it’s members will be deciding things unless all cases are settled.  Hey , the NFL has creeps like Snyder as owners, so one more at QB will just continue the status quo. Behavior matters, not statements or legal loopholes. I do understand your point and this  was not meant to In any way attack you ; I am just saying our legal system is a mess ( people are not being charged caught walking out of places stealing things while all was seen on camera and assaulting people without being charged etc , so not a great period for our courts ), so a millionaire getting off without criminal charges is not very surprising in todays legal climate. 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

My guess is Carolina.

 

But Tampa Bay, New Orleans, Seattle, & Pittsburgh all make a lot of sense. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Saint Doug]

54 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

He's going to have to settle all the civil suits to make this all go away.

 

It could be 2M per hand*** but a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do

He may be working for free next year. With the number of girls and lawyers knowing what he’ll make, he’d be lucky it’s just 1 year salary. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

1 hour ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

It was rumored he still wants to go to Miami regardless of Flores no longer being with the team

Doesn’t matter

 

[Marv's Neighbor]

4 hours ago, transient said:

Git’r done Beane!! 🤪

If we got him it will be by the usual route.....Carolina.

[Chicken Boo]

Not surprising with little to no evidence.

 

"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."

Edited March 12, 2022 by Chicken Boo

[Thurman#1]

6 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Well the court of public opinion doesn’t mean anything at the end of the day. The only thing that matters is legal decisions and team owners. 

 

 

Are you kidding?

 

The public are the ones who buy or don't buy tickets. That is huge to the owners. Huge.

 

He'll play, but this will affect who will be willing to take him, how much he'll get paid .... It'll be part of his public image for the rest of his life.

[Milanos Milano]

4 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Are you kidding?

 

The public are the ones who buy or don't buy tickets. That is huge to the owners. Huge.

 

He'll play, but this will affect who will be willing to take him, how much he'll get paid .... It'll be part of his public image for the rest of his life.

People still watch the NFL and go to the games with other more shady characters that are currently employed. I sincerely doubt Watson is going to be what keeps ticket sales down. 

I mean after all, you are talking about modern day gladiator viewership. People in Rome watched murderers fight to the death for entertainment. Not that much big of a difference to be honest. 

Edited March 12, 2022 by IronMaidenBills

[Thurman#1]

3 hours ago, DrPJax said:

And OJ was also found not guilty.  Sorry but this is a narcissist with so many complaints , and I will hold off wishing to see him play again until he is cleared in all civil suits.  This is not normal behavior , how many people have had this many complaints filed against them ;  how many people in your life do you know with even one suit like this against them?  Just because it’s a he said / she said case is no reason to excuse this pattern of behavior as ok because they dropped criminal charges. If it was a single case , I would totally be understanding.  Not all those women coming forward are motivated by money and wish to put themselves thru all this scrutiny. Why does a guy have so many masseuses when most pros have their own personal team of people they surround themselves with, let alone most teams also employ people for these services yet  he had to have his massages outside of team facilities?  Hmmmm. Just the fact that he kept moving on to so many different women ( also why haven’t we heard of any males he hired for massage? Seems unusual again as there are many male trainers and masseuses around NFL teams) suggests something unusual was going on.  Hard to believe so many women would be outright lying as opposed to just this one male; doesn’t pass the sniff test or common sense approach. 

Our legal system is terrible, and I have seen many unbelievable things while testifying in malpractice cases as an expert ( facts get twisted or ignored and evidence can be disallowed etc)  and even in contract disputes from a business standpoint where corporations or individuals with money work the system against those who can’t afford to hire high paid representation, so all I am saying is where there is smoke etc!  I a sure the high morality NFL will have a place for this guy and he will continue to be enabled because of his ability to play football.  Just for a comparison , I wonder how many women Josh goes to for massage and how many suits will be filed against him for this type of behavior ?  Yeah , I am betting  it never happens because his pattern of behavior is the antithesis of this guy.   Good luck to the franchise getting him because behavior is a hard thing to change and good luck with the chance this never happens again.
 

 Patterns mean something and that’s why history is an important learning tool in behavioral science.  I am sure he will settle, of course ,  because he can afford to , not because he wants to prove his complete innocence, and the NFL will embrace him like he did nothing ( however they did suspend him for a year so again they must have felt some justification legally to do so ).   The court of “ public” opinion may mean a lot more in civil court since it’s members will be deciding things unless all cases are settled.  Hey , the NFL has creeps like Snyder as owners, so one more at QB will just continue the status quo. Behavior matters, not statements or legal loopholes. I do understand your point and this  was not meant to In any way attack you ; I am just saying our legal system is a mess ( people are not being charged caught walking out of places stealing things while all was seen on camera and assaulting people without being charged etc , so not a great period for our courts ), so a millionaire getting off without criminal charges is not very surprising in todays legal climate. 

 

 

Yeah, he'd be nuts not to settle. And yet if he'd been operating in his own best interest, he'd have done so long since.

 

He can't want these women to testify in open court. Some of them will be very believable. If he's smart, he'll settle and do it soon. But again, he hasn't been operating in his own best interests so far.

[Thurman#1]

48 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

People still watch the NFL and go to the games with other more shady characters that are currently employed. I sincerely doubt Watson is going to be what keeps ticket sales down. 

I mean after all, you are talking about modern day gladiator viewership. People in Rome watched murderers fight to the death for entertainment. Not that much big of a difference to be honest. 

 

 

Doubt away. It will depress demand. It will have negative repercussions for the team. Some will be willing to deal with that. But there will absolutely be problems.

 

Will everyone stay away? No, of course not. Will some? Without question. Will the core fans of the team? Probably very few. But teams don't want to appeal only to those who are already core fans.

 

Will this cause publicity problems for the team that picks him up? Possibly for many years? Yeah, absolutely. 

 

Will signing Watson also have positive effects? Sure, in the on-the-field product. It'll go both ways, but there will absolutely be negative effects.

 

He'll have a chance to reform his image gradually over the years. I hope he does so. But this will affect him forever. And it will also affect the image of the team that brings him in. It won't destroy it or anything close, but it will affect the relationship with the community for years.

Edited March 12, 2022 by Thurman#1

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

He's still got to be suspended at least 4 - 8 games by the league right?

3 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:

The timing of it all was really weird. Watson was vocal about leaving the Texans and all of a sudden all these women came crawling out of hiding to prosecute him? Hmm.

 

He wanted out of Houston so bad because he knew he had burned so many bridges around town.

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Doubt away. It will depress demand. It will have negative repercussions for the team. Some will be willing to deal with that. But there will absolutely be problems.

 

Will everyone stay away? No, of course not. Will some? Without question. Will the core fans of the team? Probably very few. But teams don't want to appeal only to those who are already core fans.

 

Will this cause publicity problems for the team that picks him up? Possibly for many years? Yeah, absolutely. 

 

He'll have a chance to reform his image gradually over the years. I hope he does so. But this will affect him forever. And it will also affect the image of the team that brings him in. It won't destroy it or anything close, but it will affect the relationship with the community for years.

We have players in the league that have actually been convicted of domestic violence and other violent crimes. We had a team with such behavior similar to Watson, cough Pittsburgh. The league is making more money now then they ever have even with questionable characters. Nobody and I mean nobody is concerned about this in the NFL circle as long as no legal issues exist. 

[Bronxbomber21]

I heard he's going to Seattle