Get Christian McCaffery to be our #1... slot WR...???

[Tommy]

The Panthers are not trading Christian McCaffrey for Beasley, a 3rd, and a 5th. I was going to say that this isn't Madden, but then I realized that this trade would never happen in Madden either.

 

If the Bills somehow did trade for McCaffrey (as part of a different trade package that would need to include better compensation, and not a 33 year old WR on the last year of a deal), they wouldn't be trading for him to use as a slot WR. Maybe a hybrid RB and WR, but primarily as an RB.

 

Regardless, I just don't see this trade happening in any scenario.

Edited February 22, 2022 by Tommy

[Don Otreply]

I just love to read these pie in the sky trade scenarios,

 

Go Bills!!!

[JoPoy88]

1 minute ago, Tommy said:

The Panthers are not trading Christian McCaffrey for Beasley, a 3rd, and a 5th. I was going to say that this isn't Madden, but then I realized that this trade would never happen in Madden either.

 

If the Bills somehow did trade for McCaffrey (as part of a different trade package that would need to include better compensation, and not a 33 year old WR on the last year of a deal), they wouldn't be trading for him to use as a slot WR. Maybe a hybrid RB and WR, but primarily as an RB.

 

Regardless, I just don't see this trade happening in any scenario.

Agreed. That compensation was suggested by the author of the linked article in the OP, and I have no idea how or why he thought that would even be considered.

[TheBrownBear]

20 minutes ago, Tommy said:

The Panthers are not trading Christian McCaffrey for Beasley, a 3rd, and a 5th. I was going to say that this isn't Madden, but then I realized that this trade would never happen in Madden either.

 

If the Bills somehow did trade for McCaffrey (as part of a different trade package that would need to include better compensation, and not a 33 year old WR on the last year of a deal), they wouldn't be trading for him to use as a slot WR. Maybe a hybrid RB and WR, but primarily as an RB.

 

Regardless, I just don't see this trade happening in any scenario.

McCaffrey has barely cleared 1000 scrimmage yards in the past two years combined.  Running backs don't tend to get more productive (or healthier) after their age 25 season.   Panthers could easily see it as getting some value back for damaged goods. 

[Nihilarian]

On offense just look what happens when Josh targets the hot hand, against KC in that playoff game, Gabe Davis, 8 receptions, 201 yards, 4 TDs. Yea, Gabe Davis!

Isaiah Mckenzie against the Patriots, 11 rec for 125, 1 TD. 

 

The Bills already have good talent on the roster in skill positions and when you give Josh Allen time to hit those guys...it shows up. 

 

While McCaffrey might be a godsend to a bad team...all I see it doing is costing the Bills more than they can afford money wise and takes touches from other players like Diggs, Davis, Knox, others. 

 

2019, 287 rushing attempts, 116 receptions for 2392 total yards, good lord...they burned him out. 

[H2o]

I think, if I'm reading the contract details correctly, that Carolina takes an almost $27M cap hit if they cut or trade him this year. It's not really feasible to move him until 2023 so I don't think he's going anywhere. 

[Tommy]

10 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

McCaffrey has barely cleared 1000 scrimmage yards in the past two years combined.  Running backs don't tend to get more productive (or healthier) after their age 25 season.   Panthers could easily see it as getting some value back for damaged goods. 

 

I understand what you are saying, but I don't believe that the Panthers are actively looking to cut bait on him. Even if they were, I don't think they would move him for that kind of package (i.e. "taking a loss," so to speak). For them to consider moving him, I think that it would take a return that would be more in line with the player that earned the large contract, and not a return that assumes he is just going to be hurt moving forward.

 

Respectfully, we may just need to agree to disagree. Go Bills!

[Einstein's Dog]

21 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Agreed. That compensation was suggested by the author of the linked article in the OP, and I have no idea how or why he thought that would even be considered.

And yet, there are a decent amount of people on here that are saying "No way".  

 

For me, I'd love to see them throw in Edmunds on a deal like this.  I think this would be a great way to move on from that looming decision.

[TheBrownBear]

12 hours ago, Success said:

 

Players are injury prone, until they're not.

 

What I always ask myself is, "What if KC or one of our division rivals made this move?"

 

It would be very concerning. And the reaction around the league if the Bills did it would be a collective groan (from non-Bills fans, of course).

 

What the initial reaction is of rival fans isn't really the question you should be asking yourself.  Look no further than our reactions when the Chiefs signed Le'Veon Bell or Josh Gordon.  The signing of shiny, previously productive, big name toys always get a big reaction from your average fan.

 

I'm not completely against the idea of swinging a deal for McCaffrey, but let's acknowledge that it is a high risk move and there is a fairly decent chance he ends up no more productive than Singletary/Moss given his injury history.

[Buffalo Boy]

48 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

McCaffrey has barely cleared 1000 scrimmage yards in the past two years combined.  Running backs don't tend to get more productive (or healthier) after their age 25 season.   Panthers could easily see it as getting some value back for damaged goods. 

    Same team that was still paying Cam to bring in Bridgewater. Then traded a second, fourth and sixth for Darnold and picked up his fifth year option before he played….. while still paying Bridgewater???

   Is that the team that wouldn’t do a foolish trade to unburden themselves of a player who they signed to a ridiculous contract?

[Mat68]

Idk running backs dont become more dependable the older they are. Idk if Barkley or McCafferey live up to the hype.

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:

I just love to read these pie in the sky trade scenarios,

 

Go Bills!!!

 

The offseason is indeed long. 

 

I have to keep reminding myself, only I can control what I click on. I’m just not very good at self-restraint. 🤷‍♂️

[Freak-O]

The offence works just fine. More than fine, it works great. We don’t need another superstar on the offence. We should spend the cap money on more urgent needs. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

16 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Jesus Christ

yes my son

 

It’s the internet so it MUST BE TRUE 

 

Quote

Ginnitti suggested the Bills trade veteran wide receiver Cole Beasley, along with a third and fifth-round pick, for running back Christian McCaffrey.

 

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:

McCaffrey has barely cleared 1000 scrimmage yards in the past two years combined.  Running backs don't tend to get more productive (or healthier) after their age 25 season.   Panthers could easily see it as getting some value back for damaged goods. 

Exactly! A voice of reason is refreshing. MC Craffrey is too much of a risk. I'd rather have C. Patterson who would be great in the Bills offense and special teams. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

No thanks. He wouldn’t make it through the physical without pulling a hamstring. 

[HOUSE]

This is a done deal, I am driving to the airport now....👍

[folz]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think the Panthers beat the hell out of him in 2019 when he had 403 touches and 2392 yards from scrimmage, and he hasn't recovered yet

 

Agreed. So, the question now is did they run him into the ground (in 2018 and 2019) and he is finished, or with only 10 games played over the last two years has his body had time to recover? Yes, he was placed on IR to finish both 2020 and 2021, but he probably could have come back from both injuries before the end of the season, but with Carolina basically already out of the playoffs both years, they decided to shut McCaffrey down and not risk further damage. And last year, he had already been on IR earlier in the year, so the second IR ended his season per rules. The Panthers were 5-7 at the time with 5 games left (they still had to play Buffalo and Tampa Bay twice), and McCaffrey was probably going to miss 4 weeks. So, they shut him down.

 

So, the good news is he is not recouping from a major injury this offseason, he should have a fully healthy offseason. And his injuries weren't major knee injuries, etc. They were ankle sprains, muscle (hamstring), etc. Yes, ankles can be chronic, but none of the injuries were major or something that might slow him down, or have long term effects.  And I think our training staff could help keep him healthier if his body isn't totally shot (especially from the soft tissue injuries). I'm comfortable leaving the final decision about his health going forward to Beane and the Bills medical staff if a trade scenario was to be investigated.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

3 hours ago, Tommy said:

The Panthers are not trading Christian McCaffrey for Beasley, a 3rd, and a 5th.

Damn right they're not.  Going to take at least three gallons of Maker's Mark, not a measly fifth of Jim Beam

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

The offseason is indeed long. 

 

I have to keep reminding myself, only I can control what I click on. I’m just not very good at self-restraint. 🤷‍♂️

I hear ya, it’s like a Bill Burr comedy skit in my head when I read thread titles, I’m trying to be good so Hapless doesn’t have to scold me…, 😂

[transplantbillsfan]

Interesting statement from Brandon Beane a couple years ago:

 

[transplantbillsfan]

4 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

And yet, there are a decent amount of people on here that are saying "No way".  

 

For me, I'd love to see them throw in Edmunds on a deal like this.  I think this would be a great way to move on from that looming decision.

 

Well that's an interesting proposal.  Possibly a little more feasible.  But I don't think McBeane will trade Edmunds.  They really like him.

 

If it were Edmunds, I actually think that could almost be a player for player swap.

[FilthyBeast]

I really hope the bills stay far way from a deal like this.

 

Not because it's yet another Panther player, but the injury history is too lengthy here.

[transplantbillsfan]

45 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

I really hope the bills stay far way from a deal like this.

 

Not because it's yet another Panther player, but the injury history is too lengthy here.

 

Not lengthy, just concentrated over the last 2 seasons.

 

Seems like everyone's forgotten he was injury free for his first 3 years in the NFL.

[FilthyBeast]

24 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Not lengthy, just concentrated over the last 2 seasons.

 

Seems like everyone's forgotten he was injury free for his first 3 years in the NFL.

 

True but recency bias is going to be at play here.

 

If the price was right though I'd certainly be interested because he's a big time weapon when available and on the field.

[transplantbillsfan]

1 minute ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

True but recency bias is going to be at play here.

 

If the price was right though I'd certainly be interested because he's a big time weapon when available and on the field.

 

In that case it's recency bias that would make this move an actual possibility.  The Panthers very well could be looking at themselves as a rebuilding franchise and could view shedding their commitment to McCaffery and acquiring draft capital as progress towards that rebuild.

[Herc11]

Once again, why do board members consistently float ideas like we actually have a say so... or even the slightest of impact on actual team decisions?!?

 

I can assure you, McBeane is not on this board looking for ideas. 🤣🤣

Edited February 23, 2022 by Herc11

[billsbackto81]

I'd be all in if he could play more than 3 games a season.

[Rebel101]

23 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

It honestly wouldn't surprise me to see either Barkley or EMC in a Bills uniform next season.  Given our connection to both teams/front offices, the trade lines here are there for something to happen.  I think both guys could benefit from a change of scenery and better training facilities.  

 

In terms of health issues, EMC is more concerning.  I would be less concerned about Barkley health issues, as EMC seems to have a lot of soft tissue issues which can be more chronic.  Barkley were a couple bad breaks more than something that seems chronic.  

 

But I think either of these guys are potential candidates to land here in trade in this offseason.  Not saying its a sure thing, but I think its possible Beane at least checks in on both these guys availability.  

Barkley would be amazing 

Just now, Rebel101 said:

Barkley would be amazing 

And honestly might be a great early call. But I think Singletary keeps his job. He worked his ass off and he played well. 

[transplantbillsfan]

3 hours ago, Herc11 said:

Once again, why do board members consistently float ideas like we actually have a say so... or even the slightest of impact on actual team decisions?!?

 

I can assure you, McBeane is not on this board looking for ideas. 🤣🤣

 

Might as well drop all talk of the draft on here then.

[TBBills]

11 hours ago, Herc11 said:

Once again, why do board members consistently float ideas like we actually have a say so... or even the slightest of impact on actual team decisions?!?

 

I can assure you, McBeane is not on this board looking for ideas. 🤣🤣

So you are saying get rid of the forums b.c no need to talk about the team since we cannot make decisions.

[YoloinOhio]

I like the idea of mccaffrey in this offense and his contract is reasonable but it doesn’t make sense for Carolina to trade him given what they would still owe him. I think it would take too much for the Bills to give up. 

On 2/21/2022 at 9:10 PM, ToGoGo said:

 

Fans act like an All-Pro player is the worst garbage in the world after a down year or injury. They get off on it. 

 

I'd be mad, but people like this are the reason you can make money on the stock market betting against public opinion. 

Chiefs trade for him and everyone gets their SB shirts printed. Bills trade for him and the world is ending. That’s how it works. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

On 2/22/2022 at 11:29 AM, H2o said:

I think, if I'm reading the contract details correctly, that Carolina takes an almost $27M cap hit if they cut or trade him this year. It's not really feasible to move him until 2023 so I don't think he's going anywhere. 

 

So its 26.6M in dead cap if they cut him.  But trading him drops off the 8.4 in base salary so its just the signing bonus of 12.9 and 5.638M (money they already paid CMC) - so a little over 18.5.  They can split that over 2 years and lower the dead cap to say - 10M. 

 

It isn't a ton of savings (his cap hit is 14.3 in 2022), but if you can get a couple solid picks it helps you in building your team or maneuvering the draft to select the players you covet.  It's more cutting your losses on a bad contract than anything else.  

 

So the summary would be: 

 

18.5M in total dead cap for carolina to either split or eat in 1yr.

 

Acquiring team gets a 4 year deal - 44M deal with 8.1 guaranteed, and 800K in workout bonuses (200 per year).  1M of 2023 is guaranteed for injury only.  So realistically its a 1yr deal for 8.6M, with 3 team options of 12M per year with 0 cap ramifications.  Very easily restructured if you need cap space as well (and he'd likely sign anything that gave him guaranteed cash).  

[MrEpsYtown]

I have made no secret of the fact that I really want a Jerick McKinnon. The reason being is that he is a very good runner and receiver. The Bills like to go five wide quite a bit, if they get a friendly box, they bring the back in and run the football. Shades of the Patriots and James White. I really like the strategy, but with Singletary and Moss, they are meh receivers. That allows teams to cover him with a linebacker. A guy like McKinnon gives you a very deadly 5 set as he is effective as a runner and receiver. We play so much 1 back, 1 tight end, 3 receivers…11 personnel. A back that is also a deadly receiver makes this something almost indefensible when you factor in Josh Allen’s running ability. You can’t spy etc. 

 

All that said, McCaffrey is the elite version of what I am talking about. Probably the only guy better is Kamara. I wouldn’t be against McCaffrey for that cost. That cost seems unrealistic to me though. I would think Carolina asks for Matt Rhule guy Dion Dawkins, which I would not do. I don’t see why they would want Beasley. The injury situation worries me, but McCaffrey will stay fresh if he plays with a guy like Josh. And his role does not entirely remove Singletary from the equation, which also keeps him fresh. 
 

All that said, would I rather sign McKinnon and Christian Kirk and keep my picks? Probably. But McCaffrey is an elite player, there is no doubt. I think you have to kick the tires when an elite player becomes available and you have to be smart about how much you are willing to give up. 

[BADOLBILZ]

10 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I have made no secret of the fact that I really want a Jerick McKinnon. The reason being is that he is a very good runner and receiver. The Bills like to go five wide quite a bit, if they get a friendly box, they bring the back in and run the football. Shades of the Patriots and James White. I really like the strategy, but with Singletary and Moss, they are meh receivers. That allows teams to cover him with a linebacker. A guy like McKinnon gives you a very deadly 5 set as he is effective as a runner and receiver. We play so much 1 back, 1 tight end, 3 receivers…11 personnel. A back that is also a deadly receiver makes this something almost indefensible when you factor in Josh Allen’s running ability. You can’t spy etc. 

 

All that said, McCaffrey is the elite version of what I am talking about. Probably the only guy better is Kamara. I wouldn’t be against McCaffrey for that cost. That cost seems unrealistic to me though. I would think Carolina asks for Matt Rhule guy Dion Dawkins, which I would not do. I don’t see why they would want Beasley. The injury situation worries me, but McCaffrey will stay fresh if he plays with a guy like Josh. And his role does not entirely remove Singletary from the equation, which also keeps him fresh. 
 

All that said, would I rather sign McKinnon and Christian Kirk and keep my picks? Probably. But McCaffrey is an elite player, there is no doubt. I think you have to kick the tires when an elite player becomes available and you have to be smart about how much you are willing to give up. 

 

 

JD McKissic is another shifty McSomething hybrid RB/slot who is a free agent.

 

120 rec past two seasons...........and better career yards per numbers than McKinnon. 

 

PFF has him at 2 years $5M total for estimated deal.

 

[SWATeam]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

JD McKissic is another shifty McSomething hybrid RB/slot who is a free agent.

 

120 rec past two seasons...........and better career yards per numbers than McKinnon. 

 

PFF has him at 2 years $5M total for estimated deal.

 

I kinda like nabbing James White for the role.

[Herc11]

12 hours ago, TBBills said:

So you are saying get rid of the forums b.c no need to talk about the team since we cannot make decisions.

No, im saying its dumb to talk about proposing trades, moves, etc like we have any input. 

[BADOLBILZ]

8 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

I kinda like nabbing James White for the role.

 

 

James White is another free agent..........he's got some miles on him.......and a season ending hip injury in 2021 doesn't bode well for an older RB.........and he's typically been a below average option to hand the ball off to.........really more of a true "3rd down" back.

 

 

Edited February 24, 2022 by BADOLBILZ

[MrEpsYtown]

10 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

JD McKissic is another shifty McSomething hybrid RB/slot who is a free agent.

 

120 rec past two seasons...........and better career yards per numbers than McKinnon. 

 

PFF has him at 2 years $5M total for estimated deal.

 

That would bring the whole McKissic joke here full circle. But I do prefer McKinnon simply because of his pure speed and I think he is a better player overall, though he has had that one major ACL injury. But I’d be ok with McKissic as well. 

[Herc11]

21 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Might as well drop all talk of the draft on here then.

There's a difference between talking about players we like, moves or trades we would like, etc... versus what OP posted about