Brian Flores suing NFL, NY Giants, Dolphins, Broncos.

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, Governor said:

Yup. Schoen screwed up real bad and Daboll looks like a huge douche.

What

1 minute ago, Governor said:

He looks like an entitled guy that didn’t tip his friend off that the fix was in and the job was already gone before he traveled back to NJ for a 2nd interview. Flores got the news by mistake text.

 

People are pretty mad here. It’s definitely not a good start for Daboll and Schoen when their initial goal was to build a new culture and remove the organizational dysfunction that’s gone on for years here in NJ.

 

The whole thing smells bad and has people saying “same old giants.”

 

 

“The fix was in.” What

[Hapless Bills Fan]

 

 

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

The more obvious leak would be from John Mara.  The captain of the ship.  He's friends with Belicheat, who would have informed him of his screw-up and then Mara suddenly desperately wanting to hire Flores

There was no Mara suddenly desperately wanting to hire Flores. 

1 hour ago, Governor said:

Of course. Most Bills fans don’t understand how the Giants operate. All major decisions are made by Mara.

 

You can't have it both ways. If all decisions are made by Mara, then he signed off on Daboll or signed off on Schoen having fate control over the coaching hire.

 

If you think "of course" Mara told Belichick they were planning to hire Daboll, then Mara looks bad, Schoen does not look bad

 

And in neither scenario does Daboll "look like a douche"

[QLBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, Governor said:

He looks like an entitled guy that didn’t tip his friend off that the fix was in and the job was already gone before he traveled back to NJ for a 2nd interview. Flores got the news by mistake text.

 

People are pretty mad here. It’s definitely not a good start for Daboll and Schoen when their initial goal was to build a new culture and remove the organizational dysfunction that’s gone on for years here in NJ.

 

The whole thing smells bad and has people saying “same old giants.”

 

 

Not at all. Manufacturing outrage.

[BillsShredder83]

2 minutes ago, Governor said:

He looks like an entitled guy that didn’t tip his friend off that the fix was in and the job was already gone before he traveled back to NJ for a 2nd interview. Flores got the news by mistake text.

 

People are pretty mad here. It’s definitely not a good start for Daboll and Schoen when their initial goal was to build a new culture and remove the organizational dysfunction that’s gone on for years here in NJ.

 

The whole thing smells bad and has people saying “same old giants.”

 

 

so hes supposed to breach confidentiality with his new team, before even hired, to tell a rival colleague "dont bother im getting the job." LOL. 

A. Not gunna happen

B. Why would Flores listen even if he did?

sry but that makes zero sense

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 minutes ago, Governor said:

He looks like an entitled guy that didn’t tip his friend off that the fix was in and the job was already gone before he traveled back to NJ for a 2nd interview. Flores got the news by mistake text.

 

That's you making an assumption that Daboll knew he had the job (before he interviewed for the 2nd time, which would be unusual and has not been claimed). 

 

What IS true is that if Daboll told one of his competitors for the job that it was already Daboll's job so the other guy shouldn't bother interviewing, before he had his second interview or discussed contract details or signed a contract, then he certainly would be a douche if something fell through on either side and he didn't take the job (which has happened), but the other guy took himself out of the running on his word. 

 

 

[Governor]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

There was no Mara suddenly desperately wanting to hire Flores. 

 

You can't have it both ways. If all decisions are made by Mara, then he signed off on Daboll or signed off on Schoen having fate control over the coaching hire.

 

If you think "of course" Mara told Belichick they were planning to hire Daboll, then Mara looks bad, Schoen does not look bad

 

And in neither scenario does Daboll "look like a douche"

Mara decided to hire Daboll. The Mara family was present for Daboll’s interviews.

 

What happened concerning Flores we can only guess.

 

BB wouldn’t need to contact Schoen. He could just get the news from the guy who does the hiring. No one has any idea who Schoen is here. They just know he’s caught in a racial scandal his first week on the job. 
 

We can’t wait to get the juicy details.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Governor said:

Mara decided to hire Daboll. The Mara family was present for Daboll’s interviews.

 

What happened concerning Flores we can only guess.

 

BB wouldn’t need to contact Schoen. He could just get the news from the guy who does the hiring. No one has any idea who Schoen is here. They just know he’s caught in a racial scandal his first week on the job. 
 

We can’t wait to get the juicy details.

 

OK, we'll leave you to them, and to stew with your thoughts about Daboll being a douche and Schoen "looking bad". 

 

Sounds like you Giants fans get the organization you deserve.

[Governor]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

That's you making an assumption that Daboll knew he had the job (before he interviewed for the 2nd time, which would be unusual and has not been claimed). 

 

What IS true is that if Daboll told one of his competitors for the job that it was already his job and the other guy shouldn't bother showing up, before he had his second interview or discussed contract details or signed a contract, then he certainly would be a douche if something fell through and he didn't take the job, but the other guy took himself out of the running.  That would be an asshat move.

 

He likely knew he had the job before “Flores” 2nd scheduled interview, not his own.

 

I’m glad these people are out of Buffalo. The Schoen fella seems pretty slimy. I guess you’d have to be to take the job in the first place.

 

Mara: Ok, I decide who the starting QB is.

 

Schoen: Yes sir. That sounds great!

 

Daboll: Daniel Jones is my QB!

 

 

[NoSaint]

11 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

so hes supposed to breach confidentiality with his new team, before even hired, to tell a rival colleague "dont bother im getting the job." LOL. 

A. Not gunna happen

B. Why would Flores listen even if he did?

sry but that makes zero sense

 

it’s at best a messy moral situation right?

 

I think we all know being part of a sham isn’t the right thing… but to receive a huge reward at the expense of someone else’s minor inconvenience due to a third parties rule?

 

it’s hard to say I’d be mad at anyone about it but also not something I’d be particularly proud of if I did it myself either 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 minutes ago, Governor said:

He likely knew he had the job before “Flores” 2nd scheduled interview, not his own.

 

If you bothered to familiarize yourself with the details (again, given up thread) Belicheck is supposed to have sent those texts 3 days before Flores interview.

Daboll's second interview was 2 days before Flores interview.

 

So if Daboll was supposed to react to Belichick's alleged texts (which you would have to assume were re-sent to the correct Brian) by advising his former co-worker Flores that "the fix was in" (as you put it), he would have had to react before his own second interview.

 

12 minutes ago, Governor said:

I’m glad these people are out of Buffalo. The Schoen fella seems pretty slimy. I guess you’d have to be to take the job in the first place.

 

Mara: Ok, I decide who the starting QB is.

Schoen: Yes sir. That sounds great!

Daboll: Daniel Jones is my QB!

 

Let me guess, your day job is writing tacky fantasy stuff.

31 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

Not at all. Manufacturing outrage.

 

This

[QCity]

If Ross did in fact offer $100K to Flores to throw games, he certainly must have gave orders to Grier to sit on his hands as well.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

14 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

it’s at best a messy moral situation right?

 

I think we all know being part of a sham isn’t the right thing… but to receive a huge reward at the expense of someone else’s minor inconvenience due to a third parties rule?

 

it’s hard to say I’d be mad at anyone about it but also not something I’d be particularly proud of if I did it myself either 

 

The point here is that Belichick's texts were said to have been sent on Monday.  Reacting then would be reacting to 3rd party hearsay.

 

Daboll's second interview was Tuesday.  Even if he did walk away feeling pretty positive or having hints, it's not a messy moral situation unless he was actually told "you're our guy, we want to hire you" and they then got his agent on the phone and completed ironing out the contract details to the point where it was a true "done deal".  And we have no information at all that suggests this happened during his 2nd interview on Tuesday.

 

Yes, if he was actually presented with a verball offer and a contract on Tues and took it home to review with his agent, he would be "part of a sham" of Flores Thursday interview, but the information in Flores lawsuit (Belichick's "Ooopsie!" texts) is way way way short of that - and in fact, implies that Belichick was telling Daboll something he didn't know.

[Governor]

27 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

If you bothered to familiarize yourself with the details (again, given up thread) Belicheck is supposed to have sent those texts 3 days before Flores interview.

Daboll's second interview was 2 days before Flores interview.

 

So if Daboll was supposed to react to Belichick's alleged texts (which you would have to assume were re-sent to the correct Brian) by advising his former co-worker Flores that "the fix was in" (as you put it), he would have had to react before his own second interview.

 

 

Let me guess, your day job is writing tacky fantasy stuff.

 

This

I never said that I thought the fix was in. You did. You claimed that Daboll had the job on day 1. 
 

I said that it was “Flores’ job to lose” which he apparently did in the 11th hour, if you accept the Giant’s response to the accusations.

 

You went down the conspiracy rabbit hole long before I did. I simply followed you down and threw out some possibilities if I were to believe your theory, and commented on the possible fallout from the gruesome racial scandal ex-Bills could be part of.

 

You said I was wrong.

 

The Giants said I was right.

 

If you’re a fan of Daboll and Schoen, you want this story to end. You should want to accept the Giant’s response, but that would also mean accepting that you were wrong by saying Daboll had the job on day 1 days ago when I originally posted that it was Flores job to lose.

Edited February 3, 2022 by Governor

[Mango]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

 

If a minority coach feels it's degrading, don't accept an interview.  As you said, the rule was meant to get them interviews.  There was no guarantee of getting the job.

 

I just don't see what the solution is.  Get rid of the rule?  Force teams to hire minority coaches?

 

 

I don't think Schoen did anything wrong.  Daboll was the target all along.  He knew him well, the Bills offense was great and they needed to fix Jones, on whom they took 6th overall, and Daboll fixed Josh.  There's no racism involved: they just had to fulfill league rules by interviewing Flores.

This is my take. The Rooney rule isn't perfect. But teams will most certainly avoid BIPOC without. So without a clear improvement on the Rooney rule, I can’t imagine moving on from it. 
 

That said. I think Schoen locked in on Daboll as well. I don’t think Schoen did anything wrong himself. But at scale, this is most certainly an issue for BIPOC candidates. 
 

 

[FireChans]

38 minutes ago, Mango said:

This is my take. The Rooney rule isn't perfect. But teams will most certainly avoid BIPOC without. So without a clear improvement on the Rooney rule, I can’t imagine moving on from it. 
 

That said. I think Schoen locked in on Daboll as well. I don’t think Schoen did anything wrong himself. But at scale, this is most certainly an issue for BIPOC candidates. 
 

 

Just make a lotto system that the worst 5 teams with HC openings draw on, and whoever wins has to hire a black HC.

[Governor]

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Just make a lotto system that the worst 5 teams with HC openings draw on, and whoever wins has to hire a black HC.

It wouldn’t surprise me if this whole thing blows up and the players strike next year. From everything I’ve heard, players love Flores and he wouldn’t put himself out there like this without knowing he had other coaches and players backing him, including Dungy, etc.

 

Congress most certainly will step in and set the owners straight which will incrementally move the dial.

[FireChans]

11 minutes ago, Governor said:

It wouldn’t surprise me if this whole thing blows up and the players strike next year. From everything I’ve heard, players love Flores and he wouldn’t put himself out there like this without knowing he had other coaches and players backing him, including Dungy, etc.

 

Congress most certainly will step in and set the owners straight which will incrementally move the dial.

Players didn’t strike over Kaep, they aren’t striking over Flo.

 

Tua certainly won’t be picketing.

[QLBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, Governor said:

It wouldn’t surprise me if this whole thing blows up and the players strike next year. From everything I’ve heard, players love Flores and he wouldn’t put himself out there like this without knowing he had other coaches and players backing him, including Dungy, etc.

 

Congress most certainly will step in and set the owners straight which will incrementally move the dial.

Some players also reportedly didn’t like or get along with Flores. He fired multiple OC’s and literally didn’t talk to the vast majority of his coaching staff after Thanksgiving. Establishing an issue of poor communication and lack of people skills. Important as a leader in any industry. 
The thought of nfl players 70% of which are black striking is ridiculous.
 

21% of HC coaches hired since the Rooney rule have been minorities. Wilkes and Culley each only got one year and they have been certainly wronged. Currently Leftwich and Bowles are two examples of black coaches better positioned to be hired this cycle. Hot OC (similar to DB), or former coach w mixed results as HC having earned another shot via great DC workin TB. I would not been shocked if Flores got or potentially still does got a HC job. But it’s rare to get fired with a sub .500 record and immediately get another HC spot. Gase somehow did but it’s a short list. 
 

I’m guessing that Congress will have no interest in getting involved in the NFL. The right thing to do is hire the best candidates for the job regardless of ethnicity.
Flores has a case of ethics with respect to Ross. But, dragging two others franchises into the racial muck along with BB in the name of a greater cause seems all about Flores. 

[NoSaint]

8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The point here is that Belichick's texts were said to have been sent on Monday.  Reacting then would be reacting to 3rd party hearsay.

 

Daboll's second interview was Tuesday.  Even if he did walk away feeling pretty positive or having hints, it's not a messy moral situation unless he was actually told "you're our guy, we want to hire you" and they then got his agent on the phone and completed ironing out the contract details to the point where it was a true "done deal".  And we have no information at all that suggests this happened during his 2nd interview on Tuesday.

 

Yes, if he was actually presented with a verball offer and a contract on Tues and took it home to review with his agent, he would be "part of a sham" of Flores Thursday interview, but the information in Flores lawsuit (Belichick's "Ooopsie!" texts) is way way way short of that - and in fact, implies that Belichick was telling Daboll something he didn't know.

 

I may have haphazardly stumbled into a conversation I was only halfway up to speed on… but was speaking in the general sense of had it been known, that would obviously be a messy moral spot. If daboll had no clue there would clearly be no way to remotely call him out in the process. The guy I was responding to had posted about “what was he supposed to do, divulge he knew to Flores”
 

If he was an active participant I wouldn’t fault him but likewise know that good people wouldn’t be prideful about doing even if it is right for them and their family to make the huge jump at all cost 

[JMF2006]

Will the Patriots and Belliacheat come under investigation for tampering?

 

Tweeting about a hire before it even happened and all of the interviews had not been completed is tampering.

 

He is not a member of the media he is on one of the 32 competing clubs

Edited February 3, 2022 by JMF2006
not media

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

11 minutes ago, JMF2006 said:

Will the Patriots and Belliacheat come under investigation for tampering?

 

Tweeting about a hire before it even happened and all of the interviews had not been completed is tampering.

 

He is not a member of the media he is on one of the 32 competing clubs

"Hah!  I AM the media!"

[CA OC Bills Fan]

I've only read a few pages each of the last couple of days, so likely will repeat what many others have said (but that won't stop me).

 

First, so far as some who say this is evidence the Rooney Rule is a sham, I completely disagree. Are there (likely many) times where it's a check the box interview, of course. That's what happens when there are rules like this. Many companies have at least unwritten rules that you should interview internal candidates if they meet the minimum requirements for a job, even if you know them and know you don't want to hire them. I've been on both sides of that before. Once where the hiring manager actually sent an email that "Steve X" (outside candidate) accepted the job and he's excited to add Steve to the team. I assume I wasn't supposed to see that email (it wasn't an org announcement) a day or two before my interview. Although I was p'ed off about it, I didn't let on, gave the best interview I could, and I know I impressed. I heard back later that the hiring manager felt he made a mistake. Under a year later, when Steve was let go, If I hadn't have left the company a month earlier I think I likely would have gotten the job. So, my point is, having these interviews gives you exposure and practice. You may or may not feel you need either, but I think it generally helps. I've interviewed people when, in my mind I knew who I wanted to hire, and have changed my mind or have at least kept them in mind for future positions.

 

Of course people like to hire those they are familiar with. Joe Shoen knows Daboll and has observed his work first hand. If Shoen is a successful GM, he may have future needs to hire a HC. Others on the Giants that may have been part of the interview process may go elsewhere to be a GM and will remember those they have met and interviewed. I suspect that the interviews done for the Bills OC were also a sham. Their first choice was Dorsey and it's unlikely any interview would have changed that. But, what if Dorsey turned down the Bills and went to the Giants? What if he leaves next year? Then those other interviews will have been useful.

 

Regarding the being paid to tank allegation, that should rock the NFL. It was obvious by the moves the GM made that they were tanking, but the coaches and players left on the team clearly weren't. To now state that Flores was ordered to do so is a huge issue especially with legal gambling. I never would have thought about this a week ago (and still don't believe it to be the case), but if the Bills needed to throw the game against the Chiefs with having the fewest people involved, how best to do that? How about the coach ordering the worst possible kickoff (other than kick it out of bounds which would have involved Bass being involved as well) and then the worst possible defensive lineup? Just looks like a coach choking, no player involvement, they all were trying just had a horrible play call.

[MAJBobby]

16 hours ago, Doc said:

If those allegations prove to be true, there will be 2 more teams for sale...

Now Three. Browns Broncos and MIA 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 hours ago, Governor said:

I never said that I thought the fix was in. You did. You claimed that Daboll had the job on day 1.

 

When you can't remember what you've actually said, it's time to slow down and review:

Direct quote: "He looks like an entitled guy that didn’t tip his friend off that the fix was in "

 

Nope, I didn't say that.   You think I did, prove it.

 

I think he was the guy Schoen wanted as soon as Schoen was hired, but he still had to interview and persuade the rest of the Giants decisionmakers - unless we think Schoen has unlateral hiring and firing power for the HC now, which is a position you've argued against.

 

9 hours ago, Governor said:

I said that it was “Flores’ job to lose” which he apparently did in the 11th hour, if you accept the Giant’s response to the accusations.

 

Again, you can't have it both ways; if you accept the Giants explanation that it "went down to the 11th hour", and was Flores job to lose all along, then Schoen did nothing to "look bad" and Daboll is not a "douche" - both things you have said.  Since you seem to have trouble remembering what you've said, let me help you:

 

In that case, Billy B's text messages are nothing but gossip and Flores lawsuit about a "sham" interview is frivolous.

 

Which is it? 

 

I got to say, I thought you were just a politically-minded rabble rouser with Bad Football Takes, but you're displaying some of the hallmarks of the troll here.

 

And your Avatar seems Perfect for you

 

[aristocrat]

 

[Bill from NYC]

11 hours ago, Best Williams Available said:

To the people who question Flores’ credibility or lack of integrity for not coming forward about the bribe to suck when it happened—it seems apparent that at least 2 and potentially many franchises suck on purpose to get better draft picks. 

In the state of New York only a public servant can offer or receie a "bribe."  Also, one must distinguish between bribes and unlawful graities. An easy rule of thumb would be: bribe = Bad act. Illegal gratuity = Good act. For instance, a police officer arrests a man who is robbing and beating an elderly mother. Her son is happy so he gives the police officer (public official) a 200  dollar gift card to Morton's Steak House. This would be an illegal gratuity. Another person gives a police officer 500 dollars not to arrest him for heroin sales. That is a bribe. Now, can one legally offer a receptionist at a doctor's office (non public servant) a 20 dollar tip for a quicker appointment? Yes, absolutely.

 

I don't know the law in Florida (assuming this is where the alleged offer took place)  but I have to believe that Ross's alleged offer was not a crime for the reason stated above.  This doesn't in ANY WAY stop the NFL from having a policy which forbids acts like the one alleged. I was was the commissioner I would be very angry that Flores came in 3 years after the fact with this charge (which Ross now denies), and because of what appears to be anger and retribution seeking.  Is there an NFL bylaw somewhere demanding  that coaches come forward in situations like these? I have no idea, but Ross doesn't look so good right now, and neither does Flores. 

 

Of course, this is jmo.

           

[TheFunPolice]

7 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

In the state of New York only a public servant can offer or receie a "bribe."  Also, one must distinguish between bribes and unlawful graities. An easy rule of thumb would be: bribe = Bad act. Illegal gratuity = Good act. For instance, a police officer arrests a man who is robbing and beating an elderly mother. Her son is happy so he gives the police officer (public official) a 200  dollar gift card to Morton's Steak House. This would be an illegal gratuity. Another person gives a police officer 500 dollars not to arrest him for heroin sales. That is a bribe. Now, can one legally offer a receptionist at a doctor's office (non public servant) a 20 dollar tip for a quicker appointment? Yes, absolutely.

 

I don't know the law in Florida (assuming this is where the alleged offer took place)  but I have to believe that Ross's alleged offer was not a crime for the reason stated above.  This doesn't in ANY WAY stop the NFL from having a policy which forbids acts like the one alleged. I was was the commissioner I would be very angry that Flores came in 3 years after the fact with this charge (which Ross now denies), and because of what appears to be anger and retribution seeking.  Is there an NFL bylaw somewhere demanding  that coaches come forward in situations like these? I have no idea, but Ross doesn't look so good right now, and neither does Flores. 

 

Of course, this is jmo.

           

 

Plus, at least with Miami it never actually happened.

 

To use your police officer analogy, the officer says "that's very kind of you but I cannot accept that gift card legally" and that's the end of it. No crime actually was committed.

 

Now Jackson is claiming he actually went along with it in Cleveland, making him just as guilty if that's what went down.

[Coach Tuesday]

22 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

In the state of New York only a public servant can offer or receie a "bribe."  Also, one must distinguish between bribes and unlawful graities. An easy rule of thumb would be: bribe = Bad act. Illegal gratuity = Good act. For instance, a police officer arrests a man who is robbing and beating an elderly mother. Her son is happy so he gives the police officer (public official) a 200  dollar gift card to Morton's Steak House. This would be an illegal gratuity. Another person gives a police officer 500 dollars not to arrest him for heroin sales. That is a bribe. Now, can one legally offer a receptionist at a doctor's office (non public servant) a 20 dollar tip for a quicker appointment? Yes, absolutely.

 

I don't know the law in Florida (assuming this is where the alleged offer took place)  but I have to believe that Ross's alleged offer was not a crime for the reason stated above.  This doesn't in ANY WAY stop the NFL from having a policy which forbids acts like the one alleged. I was was the commissioner I would be very angry that Flores came in 3 years after the fact with this charge (which Ross now denies), and because of what appears to be anger and retribution seeking.  Is there an NFL bylaw somewhere demanding  that coaches come forward in situations like these? I have no idea, but Ross doesn't look so good right now, and neither does Flores. 

 

Of course, this is jmo.

           

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/02/stephen-ross-jimmy-haslam-could-be-prosecuted-for-violating-the-sports-bribery-act/

 

The Sports Bribery Act criminalizes such conduct. Under 18 U.S.C. § 224, “Whoever carries into effect, attempts to carry into effect, or conspires with any other person to carry into effect any scheme in commence to influence, in any way, by bribery any sporting contest, with knowledge of the purpose of such scheme is to influence by bribery that contests, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.”

[Bill from NYC]

7 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

To use your police officer analogy, the officer says "that's very kind of you but I cannot accept that gift card legally" and that's the end of it. No crime actually was committed.

 

Actually, a cop could get in trouble for not reporting it. You are supposed to make arrests for "Attempted Bribery."  It is not beneath Internal Affairs to run tests for this in NYC.  They will even have men and women in plain clothes hand you a wallet with zero ID and 100 bucks or so in it to see what you do. They come out to Madison Square Garden and tell a uniformed police officer that they have 20 extra tickets due to people not showing up and try to give them to the cop.

I wish that I was joking.

 

[Simon]

[Bill from NYC]

1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/02/stephen-ross-jimmy-haslam-could-be-prosecuted-for-violating-the-sports-bribery-act/

 

The Sports Bribery Act criminalizes such conduct. Under 18 U.S.C. § 224, “Whoever carries into effect, attempts to carry into effect, or conspires with any other person to carry into effect any scheme in commence to influence, in any way, by bribery any sporting contest, with knowledge of the purpose of such scheme is to influence by bribery that contests, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.”

Great find. That is how they got the Boston College basketball players and the Luchesse family gangsters. It is woth noting that the above makes no reference to gambling (which I would have assumed that it would). 

I will still tend to think that the NFL would need a policy in place to go after Flores for not reporting it. My suspicion is that they do, or at least probably do have one. What do you think?

[muppy]

12 hours ago, SCBills said:

At some point, someone saying this is racism, will tell us which part of Flores allegations are racist, correct? 
 

I see an allegedly sketch owner in Miami and two examples of teams going through the motions of the league mandated Rooney Rule.  

I would love to live in a world where skin color was no cause for even comment, much less it be bantered about any time it is a Black or Hispanic or Asian or  whomever is being written about at that moment. Color schmuller...If I didnt know Flores was black I'd have had to check why the race card was even mentioned.......for me it shows We people have more work to do in our collective consciousness.

 

Your post was rhetorical I got that. Its a sore subject with me I just needed to express what I did like a vent. This case has racial overtone all over it........its shocking top to bottom

 

m

Edited February 3, 2022 by muppy

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

42 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

Adam Gase:

"Look!  Ammonia inhalants and tacos!!!"

[Returntoglory]

What if Flores is Lying? 🤔

[Irv]

You can't tell me gamblers did not know about contract specifics and tanking games.  No way.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 minutes ago, Returntoglory said:

What if Flores is Lying? 🤔

He set himself up for a massive lawsuit against him. He's going after billionaires that get sued all the time. It would ruin his life.

[stuvian]

What Flores' lawsuit fails to distinguish is the difference between teams having a guy in mind and discriminating based on race. Football fans know that teams alternate between offensive and defensive coaches as per team deficiencies. The Broncos have had two defensive coaches at HC back to back in Vic Fangio and Vance Joseph. In those years their offense was mediocre at best. They have decided to go with an offensive coach this time to address this deficiency. Their choice of Hackett proves that they had someone in mind going into the hiring process. We know that most African American coaches are defense oriented. As the rules have been changed to favor the passing game, offensive coaches are in vogue. If anything, there is a bias favoring offensive coaches.

 

If you are an African American DC angling for a HC job, you may get subjected to a token interview but it won't necessarily be because of racism. It will be because the team is going offense and already has a preferred candidate in mind. So if your team is going offense for HC, your African American choices are Leftwich, Bienemy, Culley, Lynn, Caldwell, Staley, Colts OC Marcus Brady (hispanic?). Culley, Lynn and Caldwell have all been head coaches. 

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--black-offensive-assistants-finding-roadblocks-to-becoming-nfl-head-coaches-054103279.html

 

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_National_Football_League_offensive_coordinators

[Buffalo_Stampede]

5 minutes ago, Irv said:

You can't tell me gamblers did not know about contract specifics and tanking games.  No way.  

To tank a game it would be obvious. Like if a team needed to go 40 yards in lets say 13 seconds and the defense plays everyone back 15 yards allowing a catch and run. 

 

No one would get away with that.

 

[ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin]

20 hours ago, PolishPrince said:

Ok excuse me, middle eastern and I believe the first arabic/muslim head coach. My bad

 

David Culley is also Lebanese

19 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

But was Tom talking about Tua and the Miami Dolphins in this clip, and was Brady the QB Flores refused to meet with?

 

 

I remember when this came out and wondered what team this was. Could be Miami.

[TheFunPolice]

55 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Actually, a cop could get in trouble for not reporting it. You are supposed to make arrests for "Attempted Bribery."  It is not beneath Internal Affairs to run tests for this in NYC.  They will even have men and women in plain clothes hand you a wallet with zero ID and 100 bucks or so in it to see what you do. They come out to Madison Square Garden and tell a uniformed police officer that they have 20 extra tickets due to people not showing up and try to give them to the cop.

I wish that I was joking.

 

 

Wow! I had no idea, and that's pretty messed up!

 

From your post I'm guessing that whether discretion is exercised because it's a little old lady just trying to be nice and not having any idea that it's a "bribe" is entirely dependent on the whims of whoever processes the paperwork?

16 minutes ago, ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin said:

 

David Culley is also Lebanese

I remember when this came out and wondered what team this was. Could be Miami.

 

I think the team Brady is talking about is SF.

 

Supposedly the 49ers were his #1 choice in free agency. His family is in California, he's from there, grew up rooting for the 49ers...

 

And they didn't want him, which IMO would have pissed him off and would fit with the "sticking with that..." in reference to Jimmy G.

 

BTW, talk about stupid! 49ers spent a gazillion picks to draft Lance but could have kept all that capital and just added Brady for free.