BillsVet Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 46 minutes ago, Greg S said: No surprise. Got to keep the boss (#17) happy. I'm interested to know if they hired Dorsey because he was the best one for the job or because JA wanted him. Perhaps it was a combination of both. Still, players have more say in the direction of coaching hires and free agent signings. At the same time, the easy hire isn't always the best. These jobs aren't about checking boxes...but we'll see how it goes. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigduke6 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) hows Dorseys run game philosophy? im not worried about the passing game, im sure that Josh and the WRs could call their own plays and still be successful. i want to know about the running game. Edited February 1, 2022 by bigduke6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, Utah John said: This will keep Josh happy, but who knows if Dorsey is ready for this job. Did he ever sit down with Daboll and talk about the thought process Daboll used to call plays? Fingers crossed this all works out, and Dorsey's offense isn't so predictable that opposing DCs can scheme up ways to stop it. For crissake. The stuff I read on here... No, Utah John, Dorsey just got Josh's and Daboll's coffee and said "yes sir, right away sir" for three years. It's not like he has been in the NFL for 14 years or anything, or played college football at the highest level. Pretty sure he texted Daboll for the play sheet this afternoon so he's prepared for the job. 11 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Chad Hall for passing game coordinator? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 minute ago, BillsVet said: I'm interested to know if they hired Dorsey because he was the best one for the job or because JA wanted him. Perhaps it was a combination of both. Still, players have more say in the direction of coaching hires and free agent signings. At the same time, the easy hire isn't always the best. These jobs aren't about checking boxes...but we'll see how it goes. I havent seen a better option proposed in any of the threads or articles. It's slim pickins out there with everyone after young Offensive-minded coaches. Heck, Mike Shula's name was thrown around. 🤮 Any better ideas you know of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 12 minutes ago, Utah John said: This will keep Josh happy, but who knows if Dorsey is ready for this job. Did he ever sit down with Daboll and talk about the thought process Daboll used to call plays? Fingers crossed this all works out, and Dorsey's offense isn't so predictable that opposing DCs can scheme up ways to stop it. I found it interesting that McDermott interviewed him for OC back in 2017. He’s probably been ready for a few years. I’m sure he has talked with Daboll about his play calling thought process since he was the passing game coordinator. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 35 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: 1. When you have set offensive franchise records two years in a row and have been near the top of the league in offensive yards and scoring, the "status quo" in offensive philosophy seems kinda like the way to go. 2. Keeping continuity in offensive philosophy does not mean in any way that it can't also be even better The "status quo" of using JA as our feature go-to RB won't be "status quo" for a long career or for full injury free seasons. Bills are not a college team where qb's are disposable....Bills can be smart and prtect their biggest investment....or use him to pick up 3 and 1 becuase they can't seem to come up with anything clever... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, eball said: For crissake. The stuff I read on here... No, Utah John, Dorsey just got Josh's and Daboll's coffee and said "yes sir, right away sir" for three years. It's not like he has been in the NFL for 14 years or anything, or played college football at the highest level. Pretty sure he texted Daboll for the play sheet this afternoon so he's prepared for the job. Haha. Some people have nothing to add, but they need to add something anyway. You see it in every thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Rubes said: Chad Hall for passing game coordinator? I'd think that would go more to the new QB coach. We all love Hall, but he seems like more of a technique guy who is a great positional coach, than an Xs and Os guy who is drawing up plays and calling them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, BillsVet said: I'm interested to know if they hired Dorsey because he was the best one for the job or because JA wanted him. Perhaps it was a combination of both. Still, players have more say in the direction of coaching hires and free agent signings. At the same time, the easy hire isn't always the best. These jobs aren't about checking boxes...but we'll see how it goes. At this point does it matter? Allen is the franchise. He wants his Qb coach as the Oc make it happen. Keep him happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, bigduke6 said: hows Dorseys run game philosophy? im not worried about the passing game, im sure that Josh and the WRs could call their own plays and still be successful. i want to know about the running game. I think that will be determined by the OL coach that is brought in.....I'm sure he will have a say in some of the run game concepts, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Just now, TH3 said: The "status quo" of using JA as our feature go-to RB won't be "status quo" for a long career or for full injury free seasons. Bills are not a college team where qb's are disposable....Bills can be smart and prtect their biggest investment....or use him to pick up 3 and 1 becuase they can't seem to come up with anything clever... Just because we run Josh doesnt mean he's taking big hits. Quite the opposite actually. Dude is juking players out of their cleats, getting down or out of bounds, and even when he is tackled isnt taking big shots. More defenders have been injured trying to tackle Josh, than Josh has been injured getting tackled. Sure the risk is always there, but I think you are overplaying it a bit. We should always have Josh's running abilities as an option. It creates mismatches, and keeps the D thinking. 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) Very pleased to see this. The continuity created by an organization feeling confident they already have the right person trained and inhouse is a great sign! The sign of a very successful organization as displayed. Edited February 1, 2022 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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billsfan89 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Very happy to hear this. It made far more sense for Dorsey to take the Bills job and be an offensive coordinator under a defensive head coach with a great QB in a system you know than it would be to be under an offensive head coach in Daboll with bad offensive talent. I wasn't too inspired by the possible OC choices, going in house with Josh's QB coach seemed like the best idea and I am glad they were able to get Dorsey to stay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mat68 said: At this point does it matter? Allen is the franchise. He wants his Qb coach as the Oc make it happen. Keep him happy. Ya...I think I read that in a Harvard Business Case in grad school...."Let your employees run the show" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, BillsVet said: I'm interested to know if they hired Dorsey because he was the best one for the job or because JA wanted him. Perhaps it was a combination of both. Still, players have more say in the direction of coaching hires and free agent signings. At the same time, the easy hire isn't always the best. These jobs aren't about checking boxes...but we'll see how it goes. As you mentioned its probably a little bit of both. McDermott wouldn't have promoted him if he didn't think he was qualified. Josh speaks highly of him as well. I am sure Dorsey was involved with Daboll with game planning during the season in their meetings. The offense probably won't change much (why fix it if it isn't broken) with exception of a few tweaks Dorsey may want to install. Continuity is good for the offense especially Josh. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvlevydraftdaygenius Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 I like the move, I hope the passing game stays the same but adds some innovative ideas to the running game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaise321 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 When I first saw that picture of Dorsey, my first thought was, Wow! Alan Alda is our new OC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 hour ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Safe to say this man has the most pressure on them of any individual in Buffalo sports in 2022? There’s an unjoyful group of people who want McDermott fired today so I think he’s got Dorsey beat in the pressure department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badassgixxer05 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Will be interesting to see what the O looks like. Will he keep the status quo or put his own spin on things. Hoping to see Allen continue to let things rip! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Just because we run Josh doesnt mean he's taking big hits. Quite the opposite actually. Dude is juking players out of their cleats, getting down or out of bounds, and even when he is tackled isnt taking big shots. More defenders have been injured trying to tackle Josh, than Josh has been injured getting tackled. Sure the risk is always there, but I think you are overplaying it a bit. We should always have Josh's running abilities as an option. It creates mismatches, and keeps the D thinking. Just Stop...."Quite the opposite" ?!?! The more runs he takes...The shorter his effective career will be and the greater chance of him breaking his collarbone - like say...he did in college...on a run... Edited February 1, 2022 by TH3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 In all seriousness...for the sake of continuity, and if this is what Josh wanted, and if this is who the notoriously meticulous Beane and McDermott think is best for the job...then I'm all for it. Seems like a bright guy that brings great energy to the sidelines and has a great relationship with Josh. Is it too much to hope for that he somehow installs a reasonable screen game? It's probably too much, right? I'll pump the brakes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, TH3 said: Ya...I think I read that in a Harvard Business Case in grad school...."Let your employees run the show" I hardly think they promoted Dorsey simply because Allen was an advocate. If you know anything about McDermott and Beane, you have to know they have been anticiapating this for the last two years and, I'm sure, evaluated all their options and made the decision they felt was best for the team. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 12 minutes ago, BillsVet said: I'm interested to know if they hired Dorsey because he was the best one for the job or because JA wanted him. Perhaps it was a combination of both. Still, players have more say in the direction of coaching hires and free agent signings. At the same time, the easy hire isn't always the best. These jobs aren't about checking boxes...but we'll see how it goes. The Bills might see Dorsey as the best person for the situation who can also, possibly, do the job. I’m interested to see how much he might change things or if he would keep Daboll’s playbook. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Next up: Chad Hall promoted to passing game coordinator or whatever title Dorsey got last year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, TH3 said: The more runs he takes...The shorter his effective career will be Link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 8 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I havent seen a better option proposed in any of the threads or articles. It's slim pickins out there with everyone after young Offensive-minded coaches. Heck, Mike Shula's name was thrown around. 🤮 Any better ideas you know of? Mike Shula is kind of young...I was hoping they'd interview Mike Ditka or see if they could get Tom Moore from Tampa Bay now that Brady is retired. 6 minutes ago, Mat68 said: At this point does it matter? Allen is the franchise. He wants his Qb coach as the Oc make it happen. Keep him happy. It'd help if people knew what the OC does outside of game-day and calling in the plays. He's using advanced scouting reports and analytics to build a game-plan within the HC's overall plan for the opponent, coordinating with position coaches, etc. Maybe Dorsey's good at that and ready for the promotion. The OC hire is not limited to keeping the QB happy...this hire reflects directly on the HC making the decision to promote from within. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, TH3 said: Just Stop...."Quite the opposite" ?!?! The more runs he takes...The shorter his effective career will be and the greater chance of him breaking his collerbone - like say...he did in college...on a run... TH3 I hear you. I think about #17 and risk of injury on each and every hit he takes I get it. But he is a SMART man as well as physically gifted. He has learned to slide, I think that aspect of his maturation needs stating as well...... he is a BIG Firebaugh Cali farm boy FAST and tough as they come. #17 will never wear a skirt out there that's for sure. The last thing HE is (vs say a tom brady) is a prima donna..I love that about him. TOUGH. I agree with @DrDawkinstein's post. Edited February 1, 2022 by muppy 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 22 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I'd think that would go more to the new QB coach. We all love Hall, but he seems like more of a technique guy who is a great positional coach, than an Xs and Os guy who is drawing up plays and calling them. Gotta learn somehow... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 It no longer says "Offensive Coordinator" under Rob Boras' "full bio." I guess Dorsey being OC was in doubt until recently otherwise why change Boras' title and/or why change it back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 he gets to pick his new qb coach, as the current asst qb coach is a Daboll disciple who came with him from Alabama (but is giving up coaching a star for who knows), as well as new O-line coach which very well may be an in-house promotion as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 12 minutes ago, Logic said: In all seriousness...for the sake of continuity, and if this is what Josh wanted, and if this is who the notoriously meticulous Beane and McDermott think is best for the job...then I'm all for it. Seems like a bright guy that brings great energy to the sidelines and has a great relationship with Josh. Is it too much to hope for that he somehow installs a reasonable screen game? It's probably too much, right? I'll pump the brakes. write Dorsey a letter Logic Im not even kidding. It couldn't hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Has Allen’s full stamp of endorsement. That is all I need to read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Oh sure you love him now, see me after game 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverboat Ritchie Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 I wonder if Dorsey will start in the booth or sideline? Didn’t Daboll start on sideline but had to go to booth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, Doc said: It no longer says "Offensive Coordinator" under Rob Boras' "full bio." I guess Dorsey being OC was in doubt until recently otherwise why change Boras' title and/or why change it back? It’s been like that all year. Must have been a typo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 28 minutes ago, Mat68 said: At this point does it matter? Allen is the franchise. He wants his Qb coach as the Oc make it happen. Keep him happy. It matters if he sucks as an OC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 minute ago, mjfbillsfan said: I wonder if Dorsey will start in the booth or sideline? Didn’t Daboll start on sideline but had to go to booth. Daboll went to the booth to help with communication to Allen. Dorsey seems like a sideline guy, will be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Has Allen’s full stamp of endorsement. That is all I need to read. Kind of like LeBron with Westbrook. Is that what you are saying... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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