stuvian Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 I guess when the Mara's say you're safe, that means you'll finish the season without being fitted with cement shoes They really bottomed out and it got worse not better as time went on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Yeah from all the methane emissions from the dumping grounds. Judge did a hell of a job long term by accidentally tanking to get the giants two early first round picks lol paved the way for the next coach to have some success at least 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 His swan song was that ridiculous Qi sneak. Glorious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 My theory on the patriot way is that it only worked in New England really under perfect conditions. It required pretty quick And immediate success, which the pats got due to Brady. i think players can withstand and tolerate that type of coaching and atmosphere when there is a track record of success and a strong vet presence. What these patriots assistants are figuring out is that that type of authoritarian coaching environment doesn’t work in a rebuilding situation. It’s an almost impossible culture to create from scratch. They can’t then adjust, because this is the only way they know. Or by the time they do try to adjust and change, it’s too late. They have lost the team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 I wrote him off when I saw him punt on 4th & short inside the opponent's 50 in preseason. If he's gutless in preseason, it translates into the QB sneak on 3rd & 9. Played for the punt in preseason, played for the punt in his final game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 12 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Judge did a hell of a job long term by accidentally tanking to get the giants two early first round picks lol paved the way for the next coach to have some success at least This may just get him up on their Wall of Fame! It’s a fine legacy to leave behind! Well done! Nothing like having a long term plan and taking one for the team and their fans! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 This is another questionable move IMO but was done if anything to appease/attract a new GM. Judge did as good as you can ask for on a roster that was ravaged by injury and another situation without a real viable starting caliber QB option. Just goes to show how your fate in this league is directly tied to the QB position in pretty much 99 out of 100 of similar circumstances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, Augie said: This may just get him up on their Wall of Fame! It’s a fine legacy to leave behind! Well done! Nothing like having a long term plan and taking one for the team and their fans! Haha I always wonder if the whole ‘let’s start an unproven qb we know is terrible to see what he’s got’ thing is intentional tanking or roster evaluation. I’ve got a lot of nfc east fan friends I’d def have a soft spot for the giants if Daboll headed over there lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 56 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Depends on who they hire as GM. Maybe he and Brian Gaine or Joe Schoen could try to talk to Giants as a package. Two guys who would work together to restore team. Not too late to change but include more than just name of coach. I wonder if the Bills would allow this? If the Giants were to hire either one as GM creates an opening in Buffalo and a reshuffling of the deck. Maybe then the one eho's still here gets a promotion instead so it became a lateral move. Possible the Bills give permission to interview the two with the understanding it's an either/or situation until the Bills have time to reevaluate?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: This is another questionable move IMO but was done if anything to appease/attract a new GM. Judge did as good as you can ask for on a roster that was ravaged by injury and another situation without a real viable starting caliber QB option. Just goes to show how your fate in this league is directly tied to the QB position in pretty much 99 out of 100 of similar circumstances. First part I def agree with…they probably would’ve kept him if they could find a gm that would work with him. I think behind the scenes judge is an absolute sh*tshow though…he brings the whole ‘patriot way’ thing of being very much in no way a players coach but the team was not winning so he ended up just losing the locker room players talk and I’m sure they were gonna struggle big time trying to sign free agents. Usually when a coach is on the hot seat players go to bat for them but a lot of the players supposedly wanted him gone. Edited January 11, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: I wonder if the Bills would allow this? If the Giants were to hire either one as GM creates an opening in Buffalo and a reshuffling of the deck. Maybe then the one eho's still here gets a promotion instead so it became a lateral move. Possible the Bills give permission to interview the two with the understanding it's an either/or situation until the Bills have time to reevaluate?? You misunderstand me. I am assuming Brian Gaine or Joe Schoen interviews (doubt they would interview both) and say as GM I will be looking at multiple OC candidates but if hired would be bringing in Bills' OC for interview for they believe they could work well with him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Haha I always wonder if the whole ‘let’s start an unproven qb we know is terrible to see what he’s got’ thing is intentional tanking or roster evaluation. I’ve got a lot of nfc east fan friends I’d def have a soft spot for the giants if Daboll headed over there lol You need a better class of friends! 😋 I kid, I kid! It’s easy to dislike every team in that division, from where I sit. Probably my least favorite division, largely because I’m sick of hearing about the Cowboys because it’s usually just because they are the Cowboys. Snyder is a buffoon, the Eagles (I think) still have a jail in the stadium and anyone who plays in NEW JERSEY is NOT on my Christmas card list. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Random thought: if we traded for Daniel Jones, do we need to eat all his 2022 cap, or can part of it somehow stay with Giants? If Schoen becomes GM and they decide to find new QB I'd be willing to send them 5th round for Jones provided that Mitch can't be retained what I expect and provided that it won't cost us much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 The idea would be try to replicate what was done in Buffalo. Just now, No_Matter_What said: Random thought: if we traded for Daniel Jones, do we need to eat all his 2022 cap, or can part of it somehow stay with Giants? If Schoen becomes GM and they decide to find new QB I'd be willing to send them 5th round for Jones provided that Mitch can't be retained what I expect and provided that it won't cost us much. Signing bonus would stay with team and immediately impact their cap. Contract his hard to change unless he is cut. And I expect Giants to want more than a 5th. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 51 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Stephen Ross wants to know if he gets any comp picks if the Giants hire Flores. In all seriousness, maybe they should have traded Flores to them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Here come the Judge! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, bills6969 said: Has any Belichek assistant gone on to be a successful HC? Seems like all of his former assistance get canned as HCs. Belichick picks assistants who are good at their jobs. Not ones he thinks will make good HCs... and he's very good at knowing who is very good at a specific job. Edited January 12, 2022 by Malazan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 2 hours ago, bills6969 said: Has any Belichek assistant gone on to be a successful HC? Seems like all of his former assistance get canned as HCs. Once you can no longer cheat, you can not win. That is the legacy of Bill Belichick. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Alternate Headlines: Judge Dismissed Judge Benched Judge Removed from Coaching Giants pronounce Verdict on Judge Who Judges the Judge? Giants' Owners Judge Sentenced to Exile Judge Impeached in New Jersey Judge Found Unfit Oyez! Oyez! Judge Loses Appeal to Giants 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 1 hour ago, HalftimeAdjustment said: Alternate Headlines: Judge Dismissed Judge Benched Judge Removed from Coaching Giants pronounce Verdict on Judge Who Judges the Judge? Giants' Owners Judge Sentenced to Exile Judge Impeached in New Jersey Judge Found Unfit Oyez! Oyez! Judge Loses Appeal to Giants Judge Disbarred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Why didn’t they have him retire like Gettleman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reks Ryan Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 7 hours ago, Purplebulldog said: Agreed, this cat seemed like Greggo when we hired him in 2001. All talk Good comparison. Greg talking crap about winning a championship his first year when Bills went 3 - 13. Players know when you’re full of s**t. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 7 hours ago, bills6969 said: Has any Belichek assistant gone on to be a successful HC? Seems like all of his former assistance get canned as HCs. Judge was a Special Teams Coordinator in New England. This was a worse hire than Cleveland promoting Fred Kitchens. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 5 hours ago, Gugny said: Judge was a Special Teams Coordinator in New England. This was a worse hire than Cleveland promoting Fred Kitchens. Sort of like hiring the corporal checking cars at the HQ front gate, and saying you hired one of Hitler's key officers. 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 My brother is a big giants fan. I remember talking about how it seemed like a good hire. Head coach hiring is such a crapshoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, ßookie_tech said: My brother is a big giants fan. I remember talking about how it seemed like a good hire. Head coach hiring is such a crapshoot. Only if you do it wrong ! A lot of times HC fail because what they do on the field does not actually match their philosophy (Due to so many circumstances). That compromise means their strengths are negated...A Dick Jauron would have been a great coach if he had a strong OC and a starting QB....He had neither and it reflected in his failures. \ I believe one of thr reasons McDermott has been successful is because he is doing what he preaches. He bailed out on the first QB quickly knowing very well that he does not fit his mindset. Edited January 12, 2022 by ganesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 The Giants are interviewing Bills assistant GM Joe Schoen today. They have 9 candidates lined up to interview per the Daily News. But if Schoen gets the job then I could see Daboll or Frazier having a good chance to join him in NJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsintaiwan Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Judge Disrobed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 12 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Why didn’t they have him retire like Gettleman? Gettleman might have deserved retirement. Judge merited a blindfold and last cigarette. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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billsfan89 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 The Giants needed to move on from Judge. In two years he showed very little progress. On top of that the Giants have the 5th and 7th picks in the draft. That type of draft capital is pretty rare and can set up a franchise for the next 5-8 years. You can't hand that over to a coach that could easily be out the year after. Start fresh and reset the clock with a new hire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Greg S said: 🎵If he can maaaaake it there. He can make it Anywheeeeere!🎶 Edited January 12, 2022 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 I think they should bring in a Bill O’Brien/Doug Marrone combo as GM and Coach. The funny thing is they might actually improve over what they have had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 On 1/11/2022 at 5:39 PM, Demongyz said: He deserved it, the Gnats suck. Gnats , love it lol, never thought out of that before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 The Bills may have a hand in this happening: Smash the @#$% out of the Cheats on Saturday (NE fans blame coaching, because it's NE fans). The hoodie pulls the ripcord and heads to NY It's the only HC job he would leave NE for (in his own words) So....get him out of the division with a one sided beating on Saturday!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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