Buffalo Junction Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, Nitro said: He coached his behind off and got the most out of the talent. Seems the GM has the ear of the owner Flores will not be unemployed for long. Probably not. I really wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up being Daboll’s DC choice if Daboll gets a HC job. It would also satisfy the Rooney interview requirement for coordinators. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Now we'll see if the idea of Dungy, Riddick and Frazier is real or not. All 3 of those guys could just be hired by the Bears (although Frazier might not be able to officially be hired until after we win the Super Bowl). If that's your plan, you've already vetted it. You don't need to interview others if this is a package deal. I'm sure it took some convincing to lure Dungy out of retirement, so you don't then interview the guy who fetches Zach Taylor his coffee. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 23 minutes ago, Nitro said: He coached his behind off and got the most out of the talent. Seems the GM has the ear of the owner Flores will not be unemployed for long. I would fire Joe Judge in NY. Bring in Scott Pioli as GM and Flores as HC. Culture change is needed at Giants. They’re the team to bring it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Miami must be in the sweepstakes for somebody they want so they need to be open. My guess is that it's not Harbaugh, I think his alleged popularity in NFL circles is agent spin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Just now, Solomon Grundy said: I would fire Joe Judge in NY. Bring in Scott Pioli as GM and Flores as HC. Culture change is needed at Giants. They’re the team to bring it That would be an interesting move. Up grades in both areas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: Now we'll see if the idea of Dungy, Riddick and Frazier is real or not. All 3 of those guys could just be hired by the Bears (although Frazier might not be able to officially be hired until after we win the Super Bowl). If that's your plan, you've already vetted it. You don't need to interview others if this is a package deal. I'm sure it took some convincing to lure Dungy out of retirement, so you don't then interview the guy who fetches Zach Taylor his coffee. Where’s Jim Caldwell in this equation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Where’s Jim Caldwell in this equation? He stopped coaching due to health issues and being in his mid 60s, he may be done with coaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 50 minutes ago, MJS said: But some head coaches are more involved in drafting and bringing in personnel than others. Maybe Flores has been super vocal on the specific players he wanted and the GM can say "hey, I have him the guys he wanted." Not sure, but it is plausible. It was kind of odd when they dumped guys they had just brought in, like Van Noy and Lawson. Plus it seems that Flores wanted to spend money on cb's but he really didn't get great results. The Bills are a team that got the front office correct and saw immediate results. I'm thinking if the other teams in the division don't see similar improvement in their teams they will be in the same 3 year regime pump and dump no playoffs blender we were in for so long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
since79 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 If Culley is canned does the Texans move on Flores and attempt to keep Watson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 35 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Where’s Jim Caldwell in this equation? Was he part of the rumor too? I didn't remember him being in the deal, although he is a good OC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 The Dolphins are the biggest train wreck this side of Chicago and Detroit. Flores had the Fins playing very hard for him. Ross is just another dumb rich guy. He'll back up the truck for a Harbaugh type who will demand total control and then the soap opera against the front office will begin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said: Probably not. I really wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up being Daboll’s DC choice if Daboll gets a HC job. It would also satisfy the Rooney interview requirement for coordinators. It's settled then...Daboll to Miami! 😁 * And with the surprsing number of vacancies, may we humbly suggest Josh McDaniels? 🤔 Edited January 10, 2022 by Ridgewaycynic2013 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: The most deserved firing of them all...... Ryan Pace is OUT as GM in Chicago. He did a dreadful job. Miami have fired the wrong guy. I'd have kept Flores and fired Grier. Stunned that they fire the coach and keep the GM. The problem in Miami is talent evaluation. I think they should have moved on from both, but Grier I think is a yes man that Ross likes in Miami. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Zimmer and Kirk Cousins are your typical "fine at their jobs" guys who excite nobody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Flores out??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 I’m shocked Flores was canned. What were they thinking? But, hey, the more dysfunction the better for a division foe. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 On 1/2/2022 at 6:26 AM, GETTOTHE50 said: If Hackett gets a head coaching gig, then I will truly believe anything is possible. I was just gonna say the same thing lol of course you beat me by a week 🤣 Hackett has a very Adam gase vibe where the hof qb is running the show making him look good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 11 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: Was he part of the rumor too? I didn't remember him being in the deal, although he is a good OC. That’s why I asked. Caldwell and Dungy has history. Caldwell could also help in the development of Fields Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrtonHearsaWho Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 All of this makes me all the more thankful of our situation. Are Beane & McDermott perfect? Of course not, but they are light years beyond some of the men running organizations. Speaking of...if Joe Judge remains employed after this season then I'm convinced I deserve a shot as a head coach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Flores is surprising, while not a great coach but considering the lack of qb his teams have had he should not be fired. He is a solid coach Now that I write that out I wonder if the qb situation is what got him fired. Maybe he has a different opinion of tua than the GM does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 (14) Jay Glazer on Twitter: "I believe Giants brass is torn on what to do w Joe Judge bc of revolving door of coaches they’ve had in recent years. Have hesitation to move on bc they’d add to that revolving door. At same time I have heard a ton of frustration inside that locker room. Not a little, a lot" / Twitter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lv-Bills Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Buffalo Junction said: Probably not. I really wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up being Daboll’s DC choice if Daboll gets a HC job. It would also satisfy the Rooney interview requirement for coordinators. Flores should and will be a better Head Coaching candidate than Brian Daboll. If Flores would have to settle for a coordinator job under someone like Daboll, that would be a travesty. He should be a Head Coach again........and soon. As in a week or two. How someone like Joe Judge could walk an NFL sideline as a Head Coach is ridiculous. I'm not a Daboll hater or lover, but firing Flores is mind boggling to me. Edited January 10, 2022 by Lv-Bills 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Greg S said: (14) Jay Glazer on Twitter: "I believe Giants brass is torn on what to do w Joe Judge bc of revolving door of coaches they’ve had in recent years. Have hesitation to move on bc they’d add to that revolving door. At same time I have heard a ton of frustration inside that locker room. Not a little, a lot" / Twitter I get fears of revolving door in coaching positions but if you know the guy you have is not the guy.....move on 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 The Flores firing is a real shocker. Flores is coming off of 10-6 and 9-8 seasons. Not lighting it on fire but not all that bad either esp considering the talent the team has. The Fins should have at least stuck with Flores for one more season in order to try and build some continuity. As a Bills fan I do like the "unforced error" but as a football fan it is a bit frustrating to see a coach doing a fairly decent job get canned. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 So is that 7 now? What's the record for most HC openings?😱 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Just now, Cheektowaga Chad said: I get fears of revolving door in coaching positions but if you know the guy you have is not the guy.....move on The Giants also are in a position where their next draft is going to be massively important to the next 5-8 years of their franchise. They have the 5th and 7th pick in the draft. They shouldn't hand over those picks to a guy hanging onto dear life. They should start fresh and hand that draft capital over to someone who can try to pull off a true 3 year plan instead of someone two years in and not doing much. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 The Flores firing stinks of the GM trying to save face. “It wasn’t my fault, it was his fault.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 9 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: The Flores firing is a real shocker. Flores is coming off of 10-6 and 9-8 seasons. Not lighting it on fire but not all that bad either esp considering the talent the team has. The Fins should have at least stuck with Flores for one more season in order to try and build some continuity. As a Bills fan I do like the "unforced error" but as a football fan it is a bit frustrating to see a coach doing a fairly decent job get canned. It seemed like he was fired because NE ended up doing better than them in a shorter amount of time, even though the Fish were the better team. I think we can agree Belicheck is better coach than Flores, but that’s no reason to fire someone. Glad they are making this mistake though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Saint Doug said: It seemed like he was fired because NE ended up doing better than them in a shorter amount of time, even though the Fish were the better team. I think we can agree Belicheck is better coach than Flores, but that’s no reason to fire someone. Glad they are making this mistake though. That is insanely foolish if they fired someone simply because of a comparison to one team. The comparison doesn't even make sense. The Pats in 2019 were 12-4 compared to the Fins who traded away a lot of players and were 5-11. The Pats led the league in Covid opt outs and took on a lot of dead cap due to Brady leaving in 2020 and still finished with 7 wins. The Pats then got back a lot of talent via Covid opt outs coming back and spent a lot of their cap space on fixing some of their issues. Even then they only finished one game ahead of the Fins. It has to be something else other than a direct comparison that is deeply flawed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 26 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said: So is that 7 now? What's the record for most HC openings?😱 7-8 is normal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 34 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: I get fears of revolving door in coaching positions but if you know the guy you have is not the guy.....move on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, mannc said: 7-8 is normal. I don't know what year it was but I remember there being 12 openings in a season. 7-8 sounds about right to me as far as an "average" season goes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 10, 2022 Author Share Posted January 10, 2022 33 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said: So is that 7 now? What's the record for most HC openings?😱 6 now isn't it? With Judge and Rhule still tbc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: 6 now isn't it? With Judge and Rhule still tbc? Raiders, Jags, Fish, Bears, Broncos, Vikes. possible other openings: Panthers, Giants, Seahawks, Texans Washington FT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: 6 now isn't it? With Judge and Rhule still tbc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: LOL That is fantastic! If you're a Giants fan that is totally depressing news. Basically they're saying "we'll fire him next year because we fired other bad coaches recently" 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) 22 hours ago, sullim4 said: The way Flores handled the Fitz/Tua situation last year is enough imo to show him the door. Tua is no franchise quarterback, but I think the flip flopping there killed any confidence he had. Still pretty bad they fire him and don't fire their terrible GM though. Edited January 10, 2022 by Scott7975 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Has Nagy come out to say that he isn't actually fired yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 23 minutes ago, mannc said: Raiders, Jags, Fish, Bears, Broncos, Vikes. possible other openings: Panthers, Giants, Seahawks, Texans Washington FT? Panthers committed to retaining Rhule. Giants have committed to Judge. I can’t see Rivera getting a pink slip. Raiders can’t possibly move on from Bisaccia. I think that would be insane. The man steadied a rapidly sinking ship and got them into the playoffs. He deserves to get the full-time tag. I know there’s a good chance they might, but it would be a mistake. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 I was not aware that Rhule and Judge were safe. When was that news released? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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