Nelius Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 Just delay the season, this is beyond ridiculous. Saints are gonna have Kamara tossing the ball to himself like a lonely kid in a parking lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, BuffaninSarasota said: So variants are possible due to unvaccinated people, huh? Any data to support that claim? Basic virology. Viruses have to infect cells to propagate. As they propagate they mutate. Vaccines prevent viruses from infecting cells ergo no propagation ergo no mutation. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: I guess you missed the part about new variants You're doing a lot of guessing today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 7 minutes ago, HalftimeAdjustment said: And the follow up period in that study was not 6 months. What about the Saints? Or the WFT? Or Cleveland? Add Quentin Nelson, Colts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey D Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: The point is the vaccines, especially the mRNA ones, worked very well against the initial and delta strains. Not as much against omicron it would appear. If boosted, preliminary studies show Pfizer 75% effective against Omicron. Which ain't bad in vaccine world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 9 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Yes. And 95% isn’t 100% 95% is still pretty good. Polio vaccines were 99% effective against polio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 25 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: @Alphadawg7, one of you had to come across an unvaccinated person somewhere. Variants are possible due to unvaccinated people. This virus could've been eradicated if people would've masked up, social distanced and got vaccinated. Period!! I know exactly who I got it from. I was vaccinated (Moderna) and boosted when exposed to him. He was also the same. So sorry, this has nothing to do with the unvaccinated. Otherwise I wouldn’t have COVID if the vaccine prevented COVID nor would tons of other vaccinated and boosted people I know who have COVID right now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 🤦♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 1 minute ago, FireChans said: 95% is still pretty good. Polio vaccines were 99% effective against polio. But for longer than 6 months, fortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 1 minute ago, FireChans said: 95% is still pretty good. Polio vaccines were 99% effective against polio. Yes. And everyone took them vs. 60-70%. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 3 hours ago, Bob in STL said: If Sanders plays AND can be effective, then we can get by at WR. We essentially have only one TE that is even worth a damm. Now look at the OL without Dawkins, Feliciano, and Ford. It’s not pretty. It’s gonna take great defense and ST, a dramatic improvement in penalties and negative plays, and winning the turnovers. We can win, it will be an epic effort though. Something the 2021 Bills have not had yet. If BB thinks we only have one good WR, he'll double Diggs. We still have Knox. We still have other WRs. And Allen can still get the ball to any of them. Singletary is also a passing option. Running the ball is still an option. Plenty of ways to skin this cat. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: Yes. And everyone took them vs. 60-70%. Maybe that had something to do with 99% effectiveness vs whatever the number is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 3 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said: Time for Bates & Doyle to show us what they've got. Bates has played well whenever he needed to step up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninSarasota Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 7 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Basic virology. Viruses have to infect cells to propagate. As they propagate they mutate. Vaccines prevent viruses from infecting cells ergo no propagation ergo no mutation. Thank you for the reply. I easily could have/should have learned that myself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBills88 Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 We get to see Hodgins and/or Stevenson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 3 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: Hopefully they have one of these for Josh Allen... if not, I say we start a GoFundMe ASAP! 😂 He can afford one for every member of team with his new contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cale Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Did nothing about it? What did you expect, he can’t mandate it. Cut starters? Our season in a tweet. The reason why the Patriots are the Patriots and we are well...us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 10 minutes ago, HalftimeAdjustment said: But for longer than 6 months, fortunately. Viruses are interesting creatures. You can get vaccines that essentially eradicate certain ones like measles (if everyone gets vaccinated) and you get some that no matter how hard you try you can’t get an effective one, like HIV. Covid is somewhere in between. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 I just sent Goodell $5 CASH with the requirement that he randomly tests 53 Patriots players at 6:30 AM on Sunday. This could change everything. Stand by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 3 hours ago, pigpen65 said: Anybody mad at Beasely for ***** the team with his selfishness remember that this is really on Bean for not cutting his ass before the season PIGPEN, this here’s the Rubber Duck, and I’m about to put the hammer down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 Just now, FireChans said: As we have seen, the vaccine has done a lot of prevention of infection. Indeed it has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 Sorry, this is my fault, I jinxed it by saying we had adequate cover when Beasley went down with it. Hope Davis is ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 Huge opportunity for Kumerow and McKittrick, possibly Hodgins as well. Time to step the ***** up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brueggs Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 51 minutes ago, FireChans said: That’s weird, because the initial Pfizer study’s primary conclusion was 95% protection against infection. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577 Interesting. I wonder what their studies said about all of the opiates they sold over the last decade? Their studies and reality don't seem to be in alignment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey D Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 Odd thing is the line is dropping, down to 2 in most places and 1 1/2 in some. Bettors must think our Covid players suck! 😊 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 Just now, Casey D said: Odd thing is the line is dropping, down to 2 in most places and 1 1/2 in some. Bettors must think our Covid players suck! 😊 Maybe waiting for Patriots players to test positive Sunday AM? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 ............................. Hodgins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 Still 2 more days for Diggs to go on the list 🤦🏻♂️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, FireChans said: They have been tested everyday and not been positive until week 16 when vaccinated and unvaccinated players both have been coming up positive around the league like flies. I forgot that 2 other unvaccinated players - Brown and Lotulelei - also tested positive earlier this season. I don't know how many more unvaccinated players we have. But I would wager that's at least 50% of our unvaccinated players that have tested positive this season, and less than 10% of our vaccinated players. Are you still sure there isn't a difference? Edited December 24, 2021 by HappyDays 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 4 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said: If a player was going out to the clubs every night I would get the anger aimed at them for catching the covid. But it seems petty & spiteful and a bit crazy to hate on unvaccinated players for catching the covid. In case folks haven't noticed a lot of vaccinated players are catching the covid and missing at least one game. Some of these posts have to much of a Salem Witch burning reaction for my taste. I think the anger would be more fairly aimed at an NFL that isn't being flexible enough or aware enough of the rapidly changing situation in the world of covid. I agree with you about the "Witch hunt" atmosphere for unvaccinated players. The NFL did change their rules The problem is that you think you understand what the Covid situation is better than the NFL's medical experts do, and they didn't change their rules in the way you want. I posted the transcript of the press conference with Dr Allen Sills where he explains their rationale for changing the rules as they did. One may disagree, but the point is, he and the other advisors had specific scientific rationales for what they did. (in another thread) 58 minutes ago, Einstein said: Still 2 more days for Diggs to go on the list 🤦🏻♂️ I'm very afraid of this. My understanding is that Diggs and Gabe Davis share the services of a personal chef outside the facility and sometimes eat dinner together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 46 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I forgot that 2 other unvaccinated players - Brown and Lotulelei - also tested positive earlier this season. I don't know how many more unvaccinated players we have. But I would wager that's at least 50% of our unvaccinated players that have tested positive this season, and less than 10% of our vaccinated players. Are you still sure there isn't a difference? I think it's more. If we're 91% vaccinated, (1-0.91) = 0.09; 0.09* (53+16) =6 Boettger (probably - refused to answer whether he's vaccinated pre-season); Brown; Lotulelei; Beasley; Davis That would be 4 out of 6 Klein may be another not vaccinated, although he came back in 9 days (but could have tested (+) the day before he was placed on the list, and been out 10) - he was sent home as a "close contact" along with Butler in the preseason. If so 5 out of 6 - so far https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/covid-19-list-tracker-for-players-nfl-policies/ So far 10 or 11 out of 63 vaccinated players That would be 16 or 17% of the vaccinated players and 67-83% of the unvaccinated players 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Protocal69 said: This game may provide glimpse into what life will be like in a few years when Josh Allen contract kicks in and we can't afford to keep everyone. These are the type of games and situations to show Josh is worth the huge contract down the line which of course I feel like he is I think Beane has repeatedly demonstrated the Bills can handle the cap. We are in Year 4-5 and even next year and the year after looks manageable. There’s plenty of evidence that Beane has no intention of fielding Allen and bunch of scrubs, especially with a new TV contract on the horizon. Hopefully, too, by then COVID will be a thing of past with even more scientific advances and reduction counter-productive anti-vaxx attitudes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: You really shoulda put a warning on that tweet. I just ate a pretty large birthday dinner and it made me nauseous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 4 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said: If a player was going out to the clubs every night I would get the anger aimed at them for catching the covid. But it seems petty & spiteful and a bit crazy to hate on unvaccinated players for catching the covid. In case folks haven't noticed a lot of vaccinated players are catching the covid and missing at least one game. Some of these posts have to much of a Salem Witch burning reaction for my taste. I think the anger would be more fairly aimed at an NFL that isn't being flexible enough or aware enough of the rapidly changing situation in the world of covid. The hatred in this forum pretty much reflects society these days. Personal medical decisions should be just that. It’s irresponsible of the NFL and writers to be exposing players decisions. And childish and hateful some of the reactions here. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 4 hours ago, muppy said: Chandler81 waxing poetic on Christmas Eve lol Best to you and yours what is up with these football gods anyway we cant ever have nice things......................SMH Thank You. To you and yours as well, Mupster! 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: You really shoulda put a warning on that tweet. I just ate a pretty large birthday dinner and it made me nauseous Birthday dinner?!? OMG! Are you.. Jesus?? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 Didn't Tim Graham catch a lot of flack for saying back in August that Covid was the #1 thing that could derail the Bills season? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 14 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Didn't Tim Graham catch a lot of flack for saying back in August that Covid was the #1 thing that could derail the Bills season? Was losing to the Jaguars #2? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 This sucks, but why is everybody conceding? The Bills are NEVER out with Josh Allen playing. Plus we fared pretty well with a Limited Gabe Davis in the beginning of the season. This is the exact reason we have Emmanuel Sanders. Diggs, Sanders, McKenzie, and Knox is not a bad set of weapons. I'm much more worried about this offensive line than I am over any skill positions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 6 hours ago, JaCrispy said: That rule is so archaic...with monoclonals, the virus can be knocked out in 2 days...NFL needs to get with the times...👍 [Edit: inaccurate information] I'm gonna respond to this, because I see a lot of people starting with our own Jon Feliciano on Twitter, sharing this belief and there's Need to Know. 1) Most of the monoclonal antibody therapies have greatly reduced effectiveness against Omicron. Monoclonal means "one clone" ie, a single antibody recognizing a specific amino acid binding site on the spike protein. The same mutations that make the antibodies raised by vaccines against the original strain less effective at preventing infection, greatly reduce effectiveness for the mAb therapies. 1000x for Regeneron (Casirivimab and Imdevimab). 3000x for Lilly (Bamlanivimab and Etesevimab). GSK Sotrovimab still works (only 2.7x lower) - for now. 2) The monoclonal antibodies are authorized for at risk patients, because they cost our government 100-500x as much as a vaccine ($2000/dose vs $4-20/dose), have much higher administration costs, and have limited supply. https://www.hhs.gov/guidance/document/monoclonal-antibody-covid-19-infusion Quote The FDA authorized the use of these monoclonal antibody therapies to treat mild-to-moderate COVID-19 in adults and pediatric patients when both of these apply: The patient has a positive COVID-19 test result The patient is at high risk for progressing to severe COVID-19, hospitalization, or both As a "Big Guy", Dawkins and Lotulelei and Feliciano all qualify. Beasley and Davis should not, unless they secretly have Diabetes or take Immune-suppressive drugs. Think it's cool that elders and diabetics and immunosuppressed people might go without so athletes who don't wanna vaccinate can get them? I don't. 3) If a reason to not be vaccinated is concern for side effects, there should be awareness that the monoclonal antibody infusions have much higher prevalence of some nasty side effects. I don't want to "piss in my own pool", and this absolutely was my pool: If you need such drugs, by all means take them, they can be wonder drugs. The side effects are still rare, but they are much higher incidence than would ever be tolerated for any vaccine, anywhere. 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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