Chaos Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 Every football game has a unique set of circumstances. Reasons for winning and losing can certainly vary. But over time there are certain trends one might notice. In four of the five Bills losses this season, I think the Bills were clearly outcoached. There is not a single loss I blame on the other team having better players. Of course this is an opinion. I am curious as to other peoples opinions. 2 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 None of the above. 14 6 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 It’d be sweet if the Bills defense had an emotional leader (like Ray Lewis/Takeo Spikes/London Fletcher/etc) whose play on the field backed up their persona. There’s not one guy on this defense who instills fear or causes the opposition to game plan against. Tre White is closest to that, but even he can’t stop the upper echelon WRs alone. In fact, no corner in Goodell’s modern day NFL can truly take away an entire side of the field. The defense needs a heartbeat, the offense needs dogs along the offensive line. Feliciano is closest to that, but his actual talent is subpar. Back to the drawing board, Beane. Do better with your resources. 1 minute ago, jkeerie said: None of the above. There needs to be an option for “self inflicted wounds.” 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TN Bills Fan Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 A few that aren't often mentioned. 1. They have some overrated players in their lines: Star/China Doll, and Mitch Morse. 2. Edmunds couldn't find the right hole to fill if they put cones up for him. He also gets himself caught up in traffic all the time. Esp. apparent in NE game. 3. Their guards are too slow to pull so they run by just pushing forward. Pretty hard to do when their guards aren't good at that either. 4. Their DEs are constantly getting buried inside by WRs and TEs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 Your poll is completely wrong. It doesn’t have the ONLY actual reason. None of your choices are correct. Player execution with self inflicted mistakes. That’s the answer. Untimely penalties, a slip, a drop, etc. 9 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted December 11, 2021 Author Share Posted December 11, 2021 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: Your poll is completely wrong. It doesn’t have the ONLY actual reason. None of your choices are correct. Player execution with self inflicted mistakes. That’s the answer. Untimely penalties, a slip, a drop, etc. It seems like players that can't execute might not be good players. 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 Of all the teams the Colts are the ones that standout as better to me. We just don't match up well with them at all. It's also the one game that could not have gone either way. They just whooped us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 (edited) The primary cause of all of our losses, overwhelmingly, is poor performance or not enough good performance from Josh Allen. When he is on, we win, almost always. The question of why Josh underperformed is complex, varies from game to game, and involves lots of people other than just Josh. The poll above is way too simplistic to be of value. If the OP wants to start a thread arguing against our coaching, go for it! Say it! But the poll isn't necessary or helpful IMO. 27 minutes ago, Chaos said: Every football game has a unique set of circumstances. Reasons for winning and losing can certainly vary. But over time there are certain trends one might notice. In four of the five Bills losses this season, I think the Bills were clearly outcoached. There is not a single loss I blame on the other team having better players. Of course this is an opinion. I am curious as to other peoples opinions. What a bunch of threads this week are starting to hint at or straight up point to is the fact that this fanbase doesn't totally believe in this team's coaching. Is it good enough to get us over the hump? Is it good enough to beat the best coaching in the league in the playoffs in a game with everything on the line? Maybe not. The thing is, we aren't going to know that until the team achieves enough success...rises to a certain ceiling point, but then can't get beyond it...if in fact that is what is going to happen. It might take a couple more years of frustration and stalled playoff campaigns for it to really sink in: we don't have elite level coaching and that's a problem. Then again, maybe they are good enough. The issue hasn't been decided yet IMO. Edited December 11, 2021 by Nextmanup 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted December 11, 2021 Author Share Posted December 11, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: The primary cause of all of our losses, overwhelmingly, is poor performance or not enough good performance from Josh Allen. When he is on, we win, almost always. The question of why Josh underperformed is complex, varies from game to game, and involves lots of people other than just Josh. The poll above is way too simplistic to be of value. If the OP wants to start a thread arguing against our coaching, go for it! Say it! But the poll isn't necessary or helpful IMO. What a bunch of threads this week are starting to hint at or straight up point to is the fact that this fanbase doesn't totally believe in this team's coaching. Is it good enough to get us over the hump? Is it good enough to beat the best coaching in the league in the playoffs in a game with everything on the line? Maybe not. The thing is, we aren't going to know that until the team achieves enough success...rises to a certain ceiling point, but then can't get beyond it...if in fact that is what is going to happen. It might take a couple more years of frustration and stalled playoff campaigns for it to really sink in: we don't have elite level coaching and that's a problem. Then again, maybe they are good enough. The issue hasn't been decided yet IMO. So you are saying the other players are better because Josh has not been good enough. I don't know how I could more clearly state in the OP, my opinion that coaching is the problem. Edited December 11, 2021 by Chaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 32 minutes ago, Chaos said: Every football game has a unique set of circumstances. Reasons for winning and losing can certainly vary. But over time there are certain trends one might notice. In four of the five Bills losses this season, I think the Bills were clearly outcoached. There is not a single loss I blame on the other team having better players. Of course this is an opinion. I am curious as to other peoples opinions. You left out the Jags… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 They scored less points than their opponents. That is the reason they lost. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 Poll oversimplifies the issues, but I said better players because we lost those games primarily as a result of our lines being outmatched. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted December 11, 2021 Author Share Posted December 11, 2021 17 minutes ago, mannc said: You left out the Jags… chalking that one up to "any given Sunday." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 37 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Your poll is completely wrong. It doesn’t have the ONLY actual reason. None of your choices are correct. Player execution with self inflicted mistakes. That’s the answer. Untimely penalties, a slip, a drop, etc. I would add self-inflicted mistakes at critical times. No one on this team plays their best ball at goal to go or winning time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted December 11, 2021 Author Share Posted December 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Poll oversimplifies the issues, but I said better players because we lost those games primarily as a result of our lines being outmatched. Games are made up of players and coaches. I supposed 50/50 is a option. If you lose its pretty simple, you got outplayed or outcoached. It is often a combination. The poll is asking which is the bigger issue. It seems some people want an option along the lines of "we outcoached and outplayed the other teams, but we lost anyway" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 What a silly premise. They play to win the game. Parity is a very relevant thing in the NFL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted December 11, 2021 Author Share Posted December 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, Paul Costa said: What a silly premise. They play to win the game. Parity is a very relevant thing in the NFL. What is silly? That the team who wins outplayed the other team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 53 minutes ago, Chaos said: It seems like players that can't execute might not be good players. You want to put all 60 guys in one category when you say "players". Sorry, can't let you do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted December 11, 2021 Author Share Posted December 11, 2021 11 minutes ago, Pokebball said: You want to put all 60 guys in one category when you say "players". Sorry, can't let you do that. Already did without your permission. Its is perfectly logical to asses the average talent level of two teams rosters vs each other. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 You are what you are... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 58 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: The primary cause of all of our losses, overwhelmingly, is poor performance or not enough good performance from Josh Allen. Really, all of our losses are on Josh? So in the Pats game you would have liked him to both throw and catch, because he was let down by his receivers big time. And in the Colts / Titans game you want him to play iron man football and help the defense stop the run? You said the poll was too simple, but blaming Josh's performances for all the losses is also an overly simplistic take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 Poll doesn't cover all areas. Better OL/DL and RB is the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 It's honestly hard to say, Coaching could have been better in every loss obviously. Pats game was the most recent, so we will go there. Defense played well enough but I felt we should have thrown more early. Though, at the same time if Diggs catches that TD or Knox catches that first down that was in his hands/chest we are talking about a different outcome and how our team is tough and grunted out a victory. Everything is magnified by wins and losses, lose and the negative seems huge, win and the positive seems huge. If the Patriots lose BB would have been lambasted for not letting Mac Jones have a chance to try, instead he won and he's a genius. Go figure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted December 11, 2021 Author Share Posted December 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, billsherd said: Poll doesn't cover all areas. Better OL/DL and RB is the answer. Last I looked, OL/DL and Rb are all players. So you are saying the other teams roster was stronger overall than our roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, Chaos said: Last I looked, OL/DL and Rb are all players. So you are saying the other teams roster was stronger overall than our roster. I wouldn't say they were stronger overall. Where the bills are weak, it's the strength of those teams. Its about the match up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted December 11, 2021 Author Share Posted December 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, billsherd said: I wouldn't say they were stronger overall. Where the bills are weak, it's the strength of those teams. Its about the match up. Maybe it is semantics but the team with the better roster for the matchup has the better roster as it relates to that game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 In my opinion Steelers: bills players wanted to put on a show, steelers players just wanted a win Titans: I put this on coaching. From not dressing your speed rushers to kicking fg's shorter than 30 yards Colts: they beat the bills and beat them badly Patriots: I put on coaches refusal to adjust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 Red zone offense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 2 hours ago, jkeerie said: None of the above. So what was the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 (edited) This poll needs more choices Steelers: ***** gameplan and got worked by the Dline. Allen sucked Titans: Josh slipped Colts: Bills quit Pats: Josh missed many open reads Edited December 11, 2021 by Dablitzkrieg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 I thought it was going to be McBeane not smart enough for sure... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted December 11, 2021 Author Share Posted December 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Dablitzkrieg said: This poll needs more choices Steelers: ***** gameplan and got worked by the Dline. Allen sucked Titans: Josh slipped Colts: Bills quit Pats: Josh missed many open reads Its almost like you watched the game and TV and want to pretend the wind wasn't a factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 2 hours ago, ControllerOfPlanetX said: You are what you are... That's the worst, most empty statement in all of sports. And all it means is that you lost the last game that someone uses it against you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, Chaos said: Its almost like you watched the game and TV and want to pretend the wind wasn't a factor. I was at the game. He missed what the defense gave him multiple times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Mike in Horseheads said: So what was the problem? Self-inflicted wounds. Penalties. Dropped balls. Poor execution. We turned the ball over against the Colts...but we don't match up well against them. They are a much more physical team and out-muscled us at the line of scrimmage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 Josh Allen is great. He has insufficient weapons at WR and RB, and not enough blocking. It’s a shame too because the kid is a super talent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, FireChans said: I would add self-inflicted mistakes at critical times. No one on this team plays their best ball at goal to go or winning time. I think this is related to mine. Players spent all off season smoking press clippings and tweets saying we were going to roll through the season and win the SB and believed it. Edited December 11, 2021 by reddogblitz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 27 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: Josh Allen is great. He has insufficient weapons at WR and RB, and not enough blocking. It’s a shame too because the kid is a super talent. I would say WR's are fine, not the rest u listed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted December 11, 2021 Author Share Posted December 11, 2021 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: Josh Allen is great. He has insufficient weapons at WR and RB, and not enough blocking. It’s a shame too because the kid is a super talent. Before the season I felt like the Bills had a top 5 QB, a top 5 coach, and a top 10 roster. I thought it was a formula for a SB trip. My assessment now is the the Bill have a top 5 QB, the 10th best coach and NFL average rest of roster. Not sure that is a formula for a SB run. Edited December 11, 2021 by Chaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 12 minutes ago, Chaos said: Before the season I felt like the Bills had a top 5 QB, a top 5 coach, and a top 10 roster. I thought it was a formula for a SB trip. My assessment now is the the Bonnies have a top 5 QB, the 10th best coach and NFL average rest of roster. Not sure that is a formula for a SB run. You mean the Buffalo Bills? Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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