Billsfan1972 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) Yes unequivocally I say they are. They are at home Monday night for a game they need to win (not crucial, but a loss would be crushing). I'm tired reading that anything can happen, any given Monday, things aren't linear, bad bounces, calls, decisions..... If the Bills do lose, what does that say? Edited November 30, 2021 by Billsfan1972 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JohnNord Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Yes unequivocally I say they are. They are at home Monday night for a game they need to win (not crucial, but a loss would be crushing). I'm tired reading that anything can happen, any given Monday, things aren't linear, bad bounces, calls, decisions..... If the Bills do lose, what does that say? I think they are a better team overall. It doesn’t meant the better always wins, unfortunately. I love McDermott but I think Belichick is still one of the best coaches of all-time. He built his current roster to combat teams like Buffalo and Kansas City. McDermott and the Bills likely knew he was going to gunning for them too. From a matchup standpoint, there’s a lot of concerns. I really do believe this game could come down to turnover differential 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Yes. But not by a lot. The defenses are very equal. The special teams are both very good. Both are well coached. Their line is moderately better our weapons outside of Stef are moderately better. The difference is Josh and Diggs IMO. 1 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Sad to say in total I don't think either team is "better" but I do think the Pats are now playing better. We seemed to have peaked about week 6, Pats seem to be getting stronger every week. How they could lose the opener to the Dolphins is as baffling as how we lost to the Jags. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Did we need another Pats thread to vent? oh did I think that out loud? I ain’t afraid of no ghosts 👻 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, JohnNord said: I think they are a better team overall. It doesn’t meant the better always wins, unfortunately. I love McDermott but I think Belichick is still one of the best coaches of all-time. He built his current roster to combat teams like Buffalo and Kansas City. McDermott and the Bills likely knew he was going to gunning for them too. From a matchup standpoint, there’s a lot of concerns. I really do believe this game could come down to turnover differential Yep... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 We are going to find out Monday night. I can't wait. This is going to be a long 6 days. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) They should be since they have the better QB. People really think Mac Jones is better then Josh aAllen? Edited December 1, 2021 by TBBills 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGFOOTspaceman Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Players....yes. Coaches......HELL NO 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 I think this thread is exactly what was missing here. 1 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Let’s put it another way……. WE DON’T NEED NO MORE STINKIN PATS THREADS. seriously. You couldn’t just propose this question in one of the other 264859 pats threads? 🤦🏻♂️ 1 3 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaFitz1 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 I'm not sure which team is better overall but I am sure Ferguson > Cardona so the Bills have go that going for them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 8 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: I think this thread is exactly what was missing here. I was looking around on the main page and didn't see anything Bills vs Pats related...so this was needed. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) Yes they are, but the problem is we lose a rookie offensive tackle and a left guard, also some down time with our starting TE and the result is the Bills are staring at their belly buttons against one of the worst teams in the league with one of the worst defenses. We have a great defense that has an Achilles heel against fast Rbs and big o-lines. I see other very good teams stutter, but they don't seem to just plain fall like the Bills do. Either that or a team like GB with Rodgers, is just plain way better than us, which I don't think they are. "They think too much about the big ball, or homerun play." No, they don't. They need to make that work. They need to make Ds go back on their heels somehow. They can't just be good, they have to be dangerous at scoring...against good teams, if they still want to go anywhere this season...especially now that Tre is out on D. I think it is entirely possible for us to be giving up 7-10 more points per game with Tre out. "Just win baby!"...Sure. However, more like, "Just score a s***-load, baby!" Edited November 30, 2021 by dollars 2 donuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 the giants beat the pats in the superbowl the year the pats had an undefeated regular season. they were not the better team. they were jus the better team that day. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 36 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Yes unequivocally I say they are. They are at home Monday night for a game they need to win (not crucial, but a loss would be crushing). I'm tired reading that anything can happen, any given Monday, things aren't linear, bad bounces, calls, decisions..... If the Bills do lose, what does that say? Other then oline there really aren’t many positional groups you can make an argument for the pats even with the loss of Trey the Pats have a secondary that’s kinda ehh If the Bills lose it’s on them for being poorly prepared and poor execution 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talley56 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 I would be curious to see what all non Bills or Patriots football fans think. On this board, I can already see most are saying the Bills. Post this on a Patriots board and I'm sure the majority would say Pats. Bills were definitely better in September and October. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 30, 2021 Author Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 minute ago, teef said: the giants beat the pats in the superbowl the year the pats had an undefeated regular season. they were not the better team. they were jus the better team that day. Wow.... Thanks for that one..... Dig deep into the archives to pull that one out. Got another one for you The Jets beat Baltimore in SB III......😜 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) 34 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yes. But not by a lot. The defenses are very equal. The special teams are both very good. Both are well coached. Their line is moderately better our weapons outside of Stef are moderately better. The difference is Josh and Diggs IMO. Agree with this. Player for player, even without Tre, we are the more talented team. The issue we currently have, outside health, is that the Pats know exactly who they are.. Whereas we seem to still be searching for an identity. Edited November 30, 2021 by SCBills 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said: Wow.... Thanks for that one..... Dig deep into the archives to pull that one out. Got another one for you The Jets beat Baltimore in SB III......😜 see? you don't understand. it's wasn't a profound point, but it negates the point your trying to make, (for some strange reason). this is why you get what you get from posters. make another thread for attention though. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Again, it's about current results and right now one team is 6-0 in their last 6 games with an average score of 35-10. The other is 3-3 alternating wins and losses and has lost to a 2 win Jags team scoring only 6 points and throttled at home by a dome team scoring 15 points. Yes the Bills have seemed to bounce back strong after every loss only to flounder the next game which in this case would be the MNF game against the Pats if that trend holds. Also regarding QB play, Allen has also been very inconsistent this year and even played poorly at time during some of these blowout wins. Meanwhile some are saying Mac Jones is not only the rookie of the year, but right up there in the top QB in the league conversation. In fact Kay Adams said this morning that Jones is the best QB in the AFC right now and it's hard to argue that even with the Chiefs getting on a roll Mahomes has been inconsistent as well. For me though the biggest X factor is coaching and I just can't see McDermott and this staff ready against a wartime coach like Belichik who is going to force Allen into mistakes/hero ball. And the Pats front seven against this oline is an epic disaster just waiting to happen and Judon is easily a defensive player of the year candidate. So even if we limit Mac Jones or force a few turnovers it's going to be a wash against a team like the Patriots who are just playing an elite level of football across the board right now. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 30, 2021 Author Share Posted November 30, 2021 24 minutes ago, teef said: see? you don't understand. it's wasn't a profound point, but it negates the point your trying to make, (for some strange reason). this is why you get what you get from posters. make another thread for attention though. How about YES or NO..... Two or Three letters, I know that's a stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Just now, Billsfan1972 said: How about YES or NO..... Two or Three letters, I know that's a stretch. it's far more of a stretch for you to acknowledge the value in someone else's opinion as is seen with your posting. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 30, 2021 Author Share Posted November 30, 2021 18 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: Again, it's about current results and right now one team is 6-0 in their last 6 games with an average score of 35-10. The other is 3-3 alternating wins and losses and has lost to a 2 win Jags team scoring only 6 points and throttled at home by a dome team scoring 15 points. Yes the Bills have seemed to bounce back strong after every loss only to flounder the next game which in this case would be the MNF game against the Pats if that trend holds. Also regarding QB play, Allen has also been very inconsistent this year and even played poorly at time during some of these blowout wins. Meanwhile some are saying Mac Jones is not only the rookie of the year, but right up there in the top QB in the league conversation. In fact Kay Adams said this morning that Jones is the best QB in the AFC right now and it's hard to argue that even with the Chiefs getting on a roll Mahomes has been inconsistent as well. For me though the biggest X factor is coaching and I just can't see McDermott and this staff ready against a wartime coach like Belichik who is going to force Allen into mistakes/hero ball. And the Pats front seven against this oline is an epic disaster just waiting to happen and Judon is easily a defensive player of the year candidate. So even if we limit Mac Jones or force a few turnovers it's going to be a wash against a team like the Patriots who are just playing an elite level of football across the board right now. Ye of little faith. They are playing very well, the Bills however are the better team and at home. Talking heads now saying Mac Jones is the best QB in the AFC???? At least he didn't bring Dak, Murray, Brady or Rodgers into the conversation.... But yep to say he's better than Allen or Mahomes (yea yea yea I know he qualified it with "right now")..... I only see the Bills losing if McD or the the coaches play scared (allow easy underneath throws) and the Offense trying to play ball control. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 I think the Bills have a more talented roster on offense with the defense being close to a "push". But they don't always play up to their potential while the Patriots, with few exceptions, are well prepared and playing close to or at their best. If both teams bring their best game the Bills should win but it will be tight and into the 4th quarter before its decided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Sad to say in total I don't think either team is "better" but I do think the Pats are now playing better. We seemed to have peaked about week 6, Pats seem to be getting stronger every week. How they could lose the opener to the Dolphins is as baffling as how we lost to the Jags. The Pats always lose games early in the season. The Bills always seem to have a midseason slump. Obviously both teams are very evenly matched except for HC (Pats) and QB/WR (Bills). We will need turnovers and pray the refs don't screw us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said: Yes unequivocally I say they are. They are at home Monday night for a game they need to win (not crucial, but a loss would be crushing). I'm tired reading that anything can happen, any given Monday, things aren't linear, bad bounces, calls, decisions..... If the Bills do lose, what does that say? It could say a lot of things, but fundamentally it will say that the Pats were the better team on that field that Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 The answer is yes. Moving on..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 13 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: I think the Bills have a more talented roster on offense with the defense being close to a "push". But they don't always play up to their potential while the Patriots, with few exceptions, are well prepared and playing close to or at their best. If both teams bring their best game the Bills should win but it will be tight and into the 4th quarter before its decided. I think this is a reasonable assessment. The Bills overall may have the more talented roster, but they aren't consistent in showing up on Sunday and they've allowed their offensive gameplans to become alarmingly unbalanced, which creates a defensive advantage for the opponent. It may come down to coaching, which might not go in the Bills favor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Let’s put it another way - we will find out next Monday night… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 24 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: How about YES or NO..... Two or Three letters, I know that's a stretch. Dude, if you want only a "Yes" or "No" answer, the correct course of action is for you to create a poll and lock the thread to discussion. Let me know if you want or need help in how to do that. Otherwise, discussion is the point of this board, and snarking at people to just give you "YES" or "NO" answers to questions they see as nuanced, is not appropriate. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) My only concern is if the Bills are sloppy and beat themselves. I think there was a bit of over confidence and it's been a humbling kind of season. Better than the Jags and still lost to them. Edited November 30, 2021 by Lfod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: The Pats always lose games early in the season. The Bills always seem to have a midseason slump. Obviously both teams are very evenly matched except for HC (Pats) and QB/WR (Bills). We will need turnovers and pray the refs don't screw us. If we don't kill ourselves with stupid penalties and drops like Jax, whoever wins the turnover battle will win this game. The Pats current win streak is largely based on a massive positive turnover ratio. 25 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Ye of little faith. They are playing very well, the Bills however are the better team and at home. Talking heads now saying Mac Jones is the best QB in the AFC???? At least he didn't bring Dak, Murray, Brady or Rodgers into the conversation.... But yep to say he's better than Allen or Mahomes (yea yea yea I know he qualified it with "right now")..... I only see the Bills losing if McD or the the coaches play scared (allow easy underneath throws) and the Offense trying to play ball control. I havent heard that. Many are saying he is making fewer mistakes than other QBs but universally he is viewed as a short yardage master under the tutelage of Belichek but has significant physical limitations compared to other QBs, notably Josh Allen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) Andy Reid " get me Coach Belly on the line!" , Coach Belly " Hello fat Ass, what do you want?, Coach Reid," hey Big Belly, trade idea, I'll give you Mahomes and a one, for Mac Jones", Coach Belly, "Go ***** yourself fat boy! We're good!" Edited November 30, 2021 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 42 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Ye of little faith. They are playing very well, the Bills however are the better team and at home. Perhaps you would find this less frustrating if you would care to explain, point by point, why you believe the Bills are a better team? Coach OC DC QB WR TE OL DL LB CB Safety Placekicker Punter Overall ST (didn't we already have a thread on this?) It's also possible that the weather will feature snow and strong winds - can you explain which team you believe this would favor and why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Both teams are capable at the player level, even w/o Tre White. This game will be a match of the coach's ability to out smart the other team. going against cheaten Bill is a tough assignment. Daboll worked for him for 10 years, they know each other. Going to be interesting to see if student can handle his teacher. And, the Bills D has to handle the new young gun the Pats have at QB. Not many bad throws unless they mount some pressure. Maybe blitz the new guy some to see if he can handle it, who knows. This isn't Mahones........but Jones can chuck it accurately for sure if he has time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 9 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: If we don't kill ourselves with stupid penalties and drops like Jax, whoever wins the turnover battle will win this game. The Pats current win streak is largely based on a massive positive turnover ratio. So stupid penalties, drops, and interceptions/fumbles Valid point. Certainly the Pats wins over the Jets, Falcons, and Titans exploited turnovers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGFOOTspaceman Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Talley56 said: I would be curious to see what all non Bills or Patriots football fans think. On this board, I can already see most are saying the Bills. Post this on a Patriots board and I'm sure the majority would say Pats. Bills were definitely better in September and October. Probably means nothing but.....my brother is a Lions fan, no stake in the game. From an objective stand point he does not think the Pats offense can do much against the Bills D even with White out. Bill will scheme some stuff up on D that will make it difficult early for the Bills to figure out but will eventually over power them. Non Bills fan opinion, take it for what it worth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 18 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: I havent heard that. Many are saying he is making fewer mistakes than other QBs but universally he is viewed as a short yardage master under the tutelage of Belichek but has significant physical limitations compared to other QBs, notably Josh Allen. Oh, I have. Troy Aikman on TNF was pushing the narrative that Mac Jones is the greatest thing since sliced cheese. Have heard from some other talking heads too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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