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Not trying to spoil yesterdays thumping of another bottom feeder, but there are a few issues that I perceive as puzzling at best in terms of the active gameday roster:

 

1) Matt Breida/Zack Moss - why did it take half the season to realize this guy should be active and getting snaps? Zack Moss has proven to be useless and we keep wasting carries on him for the same 2 yard gain almost every time he touches the ball. Should be Singletary/Breida the rest of the season without question. If they insist on dressing Moss then keep Taiwan Jones inactive.

 

2) AJ Klein - no he should not permanetly replace Edmunds, but this guy is a true grisled veteran that is always around the football. He proved it last year when he replaced Milano for a significant stretch and again this year when on the field. I get he's not the best in coverage but he's a throwback type of player....gritty and physical which is what this team needs more of.

 

3) Gabriel Davis - this is the trickiest one because obviously we can't really reduce the top 3 WR's snap counts but seems like all he does is make big plays when he's on the field.

 

4) Obada - seemed like he was very disruptive yesterday and had the only official sack of the game. Again another tricky situation because of the numbers game but if we are going to insist on giving former Panthers players playing time it should be him over Vernon Butler.

 

5) Punter is horrible and will cost this team down the stretch just like the Steelers game. Should have already found a replacement by now.

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I’m all for a Singletary/Breida or Moss/Breida approach to the running game, but I don’t like Singletary/Moss as I feel they’re too similar. Would have liked to see one of the two moved, but I get it - we’re not getting much in return for either. Perhaps the mistake was drafting Moss a year after spending a 3rd on Singletary when both run in the 4.6s.

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On the Breida/Moss thing...  My guess is that McD and Daboll don't have a lot of confidence in the OL. 

 

While Breida is faster, he's not hard to bring down.  He does best work in space and the Bills linemen don't create a lot of it.

 

Moss is a more powerful runner who can sometimes get yardage even when the line-of-scrimmage is dirty and crowded.  

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2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

To the OP:  You'll run into huge resistance around here, as you have already done so (not surprising) regardless of the validity of your points.


Most responders will not have read them anyway.

 

 

 

I don't understand this, seems like this forum would rather be a lovefest like the Bills lockerroom instead of addressing relevant issues at hand and asking serious questions like whether or not this team is good enough??

 

Maybe we should all just start posting instagram and ticktock videos here then.

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6 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Not trying to spoil yesterdays thumping of another bottom feeder, but there are a few issues that I perceive as puzzling at best in terms of the active gameday roster:

 

1) Matt Breida/Zack Moss - why did it take half the season to realize this guy should be active and getting snaps? Zack Moss has proven to be useless and we keep wasting carries on him for the same 2 yard gain almost every time he touches the ball. Should be Singletary/Breida the rest of the season without question. If they insist on dressing Moss then keep Taiwan Jones inactive.

 

2) AJ Klein - no he should not permanetly replace Edmunds, but this guy is a true grisled veteran that is always around the football. He proved it last year when he replaced Milano for a significant stretch and again this year when on the field. I get he's not the best in coverage but he's a throwback type of player....gritty and physical which is what this team needs more of.

 

3) Gabriel Davis - this is the trickiest one because obviously we can't really reduce the top 3 WR's snap counts but seems like all he does is make big plays when he's on the field.

 

4) Obada - seemed like he was very disruptive yesterday and had the only official sack of the game. Again another tricky situation because of the numbers game but if we are going to insist on giving former Panthers players playing time it should be him over Vernon Butler.

 

5) Punter is horrible and will cost this team down the stretch just like the Steelers game. Should have already found a replacement by now.

So the only one I will take issue with is #5.  While he is a little bit slower to get his punt off, the block during the Steelers game happened because the Bills just forgot to block on that one.  He doesn't hit booming punts, but I don't think the Bills want him to.  To me, his most important job is on holds and he obviously is very good at that

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3) Gabriel Davis - this is the trickiest one because obviously we can't really reduce the top 3 WR's snap counts but seems like all he does is make big plays when he's on the field.

 

Wait what? He's always active. You want Beane to come down and hold a gun to Josh's head to only throw to him?

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4 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

I’m all for a Singletary/Breida or Moss/Breida approach to the running game, but I don’t like Singletary/Moss as I feel they’re too similar. Would have liked to see one of the two moved, but I get it - we’re not getting much in return for either. Perhaps the mistake was drafting Moss a year after spending a 3rd on Singletary when both run in the 4.6s.

 

It looked like Brieda was filling in for Kumerow on kick coverage. I think Jake should be the odd man out. Davis should get all of Kumerow's wr snaps.

 

And with Brieda in the lineup, McKenzie can be used more in the offense. 

 

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2 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

Wait what? He's always active. You want Beane to come down and hold a gun to Josh's head to only throw to him?

 

I don't mean active as much as getting more playing time....he's been a real threat downfield but obviously that's been an issue with this team most of the season in terms of oline protection and having enough time to look that way.

 

He's also a very good run blocker for 2nd year player.

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1 minute ago, Motorin' said:

 

It looked like Brieda was filling in for Kumerow on kick coverage. I think Jake should be the odd man out. Davis should get all of Kumerow's wr snaps.

 

And with Brieda in the lineup, McKenzie can be used more in the offense. 

 

 

I agree if you bring Brieda up you sit Kumerow down IMO. It is one or other.

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1 minute ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

I don't mean active as much as getting more playing time....he's been a real threat downfield but obviously that's been an issue with this team most of the season in terms of oline protection and having enough time to look that way.

 

He's also a very good run blocker for 2nd year player.

He should play more

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5 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

So the only one I will take issue with is #5.  While he is a little bit slower to get his punt off, the block during the Steelers game happened because the Bills just forgot to block on that one.  He doesn't hit booming punts, but I don't think the Bills want him to.  To me, his most important job is on holds and he obviously is very good at that

 

A little bit slower? That is like saying I am a little bit slower than Usain Bolt! I have had milk go sour in the time it takes Haack to punt

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9 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Not trying to spoil yesterdays thumping of another bottom feeder, but there are a few issues that I perceive as puzzling at best in terms of the active gameday roster:

 

1) Matt Breida/Zack Moss - why did it take half the season to realize this guy should be active and getting snaps? Zack Moss has proven to be useless and we keep wasting carries on him for the same 2 yard gain almost every time he touches the ball. Should be Singletary/Breida the rest of the season without question. If they insist on dressing Moss then keep Taiwan Jones inactive.

 

2) AJ Klein - no he should not permanetly replace Edmunds, but this guy is a true grisled veteran that is always around the football. He proved it last year when he replaced Milano for a significant stretch and again this year when on the field. I get he's not the best in coverage but he's a throwback type of player....gritty and physical which is what this team needs more of.

 

3) Gabriel Davis - this is the trickiest one because obviously we can't really reduce the top 3 WR's snap counts but seems like all he does is make big plays when he's on the field.

 

4) Obada - seemed like he was very disruptive yesterday and had the only official sack of the game. Again another tricky situation because of the numbers game but if we are going to insist on giving former Panthers players playing time it should be him over Vernon Butler.

 

5) Punter is horrible and will cost this team down the stretch just like the Steelers game. Should have already found a replacement by now.

 

If these are our biggest mistakes with the roster, then we should all be thrilled with the FO and coaching performance. :thumbsup:

 

1) There is something "off" about Breida that fans arent privy to. The Bills are now the 3rd coaching staff in about 3 years that brought the guy in, but decided against playing him much. Maybe he is fumbling in practice. Maybe he isnt answering the coach's questions properly. Maybe he dips his wings in ranch. We dont know, and we won't know, but I have a hard time putting that all on our coaches. Yes, it was nice to see him get involved if we are going to be swing passing it to the RB. And I have been calling for him to get some playing time for the past couple of weeks. But there is something the staff knows that we dont.

 

2) Having quality depth isnt an issue. lol This is actually a +1 for the FO/Coaching

 

3) Agreed he should have more playing time. Even if it is at the cost of Sanders and Beasley. Who probably need the rest at their age anyways.

 

4) Now THIS is a tricky one. Yeah, he had a decent game yesterday. But the game he suited up for previously (I believe Tenn), he had a HORRIBLE game. I was pleasantly surprised with him yesterday and just happy he wasnt a huge liability again.

 

5) I dont care about punting. Best solution: dont punt.

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7 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Not trying to spoil yesterdays thumping of another bottom feeder, but there are a few issues that I perceive as puzzling at best in terms of the active gameday roster:

 

1) Matt Breida/Zack Moss - why did it take half the season to realize this guy should be active and getting snaps? Zack Moss has proven to be useless and we keep wasting carries on him for the same 2 yard gain almost every time he touches the ball. Should be Singletary/Breida the rest of the season without question. If they insist on dressing Moss then keep Taiwan Jones inactive.

 

2) AJ Klein - no he should not permanetly replace Edmunds, but this guy is a true grisled veteran that is always around the football. He proved it last year when he replaced Milano for a significant stretch and again this year when on the field. I get he's not the best in coverage but he's a throwback type of player....gritty and physical which is what this team needs more of.

 

3) Gabriel Davis - this is the trickiest one because obviously we can't really reduce the top 3 WR's snap counts but seems like all he does is make big plays when he's on the field.

 

4) Obada - seemed like he was very disruptive yesterday and had the only official sack of the game. Again another tricky situation because of the numbers game but if we are going to insist on giving former Panthers players playing time it should be him over Vernon Butler.

 

5) Punter is horrible and will cost this team down the stretch just like the Steelers game. Should have already found a replacement by now.


There’s reasons for a lot of these decisions:


# 1 - Breida was activated in Week 1 over Zack Moss and didn’t play great.   Moss is a tough runner and probably the best RB when it comes to blocking and maybe pass catching.  You can argue that they should’ve activated him a few weeks earlier given his speed.  We’ll see what he does the rest of the season.  

 

#2 - Where would you play Klein?  Would you mix him in and take Edmunds off the field?  It’s a bad move if that’s the case.  Wasn’t a fan of Edmunds but he is having a great year. 
 

#3 - This is a valid point.  Sanders has played well so it’s not like this was a no brainer. I’d like to see Davis get more reps.  
 

#4 - Obada has been active for multiple games this season as hasn’t consistently been as disruptive as he was yesterday. 
 

#5 - He’s a punter…not a big deal.  He’s doesn’t have the strongest leg.  I think they are keeping him because he does a great job as a holder for Bass and they don’t want to mess with that.  This one is not a big concern 

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16 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Not trying to spoil yesterdays thumping of another bottom feeder, but there are a few issues that I perceive as puzzling at best in terms of the active gameday roster:

 

1) Matt Breida/Zack Moss - why did it take half the season to realize this guy should be active and getting snaps? Zack Moss has proven to be useless and we keep wasting carries on him for the same 2 yard gain almost every time he touches the ball. Should be Singletary/Breida the rest of the season without question. If they insist on dressing Moss then keep Taiwan Jones inactive.

 

2) AJ Klein - no he should not permanetly replace Edmunds, but this guy is a true grisled veteran that is always around the football. He proved it last year when he replaced Milano for a significant stretch and again this year when on the field. I get he's not the best in coverage but he's a throwback type of player....gritty and physical which is what this team needs more of.

 

3) Gabriel Davis - this is the trickiest one because obviously we can't really reduce the top 3 WR's snap counts but seems like all he does is make big plays when he's on the field.

 

4) Obada - seemed like he was very disruptive yesterday and had the only official sack of the game. Again another tricky situation because of the numbers game but if we are going to insist on giving former Panthers players playing time it should be him over Vernon Butler.

 

5) Punter is horrible and will cost this team down the stretch just like the Steelers game. Should have already found a replacement by now.

 

1) what did the other two do yesterday that Moss didn't? There is your answer.

 

2) Agree to an extent. Heavy run teams like TEN and IND this weekend we should run more 4-3 base with Klein out there IMO.

 

3) Use Manny less and Gabe more. Get those two to a 50/50 split. Gabe needs more plays.

 

4) He was but it can't be him or Butler. They lack specialist DTs already with Zimmer done and Star out. It should be 2 from him, Boogie and Addison.

 

5) No argument.

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I'm not saying everyone has to be ALL sunshine and rainbows after a win, but...

Imagine it being the day after a 45-17 walloping of a divisional opponent and your first thought for a new thread to post to this forum is "this regime is making bad roster decisions!".

Couldn't be me.

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23 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Not trying to spoil yesterdays thumping of another bottom feeder, but there are a few issues that I perceive as puzzling at best in terms of the active gameday roster:

 

1) Matt Breida/Zack Moss - why did it take half the season to realize this guy should be active and getting snaps? Zack Moss has proven to be useless and we keep wasting carries on him for the same 2 yard gain almost every time he touches the ball. Should be Singletary/Breida the rest of the season without question. If they insist on dressing Moss then keep Taiwan Jones inactive.

 

2) AJ Klein - no he should not permanetly replace Edmunds, but this guy is a true grisled veteran that is always around the football. He proved it last year when he replaced Milano for a significant stretch and again this year when on the field. I get he's not the best in coverage but he's a throwback type of player....gritty and physical which is what this team needs more of.

 

3) Gabriel Davis - this is the trickiest one because obviously we can't really reduce the top 3 WR's snap counts but seems like all he does is make big plays when he's on the field.

 

4) Obada - seemed like he was very disruptive yesterday and had the only official sack of the game. Again another tricky situation because of the numbers game but if we are going to insist on giving former Panthers players playing time it should be him over Vernon Butler.

 

5) Punter is horrible and will cost this team down the stretch just like the Steelers game. Should have already found a replacement by now.

Fortunately we’re past the point of having our punter as our only Pro Bowl caliber player … I can find a way to live with that. As far as Breida, I think he brings a more explosive element to the offense, but I felt that way about Yeldon and we all know how that went. 

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43 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Not trying to spoil yesterdays thumping of another bottom feeder, but there are a few issues that I perceive as puzzling at best in terms of the active gameday roster:

 

1) Matt Breida/Zack Moss - why did it take half the season to realize this guy should be active and getting snaps? Zack Moss has proven to be useless and we keep wasting carries on him for the same 2 yard gain almost every time he touches the ball. Should be Singletary/Breida the rest of the season without question. If they insist on dressing Moss then keep Taiwan Jones inactive.

 

2) AJ Klein - no he should not permanetly replace Edmunds, but this guy is a true grisled veteran that is always around the football. He proved it last year when he replaced Milano for a significant stretch and again this year when on the field. I get he's not the best in coverage but he's a throwback type of player....gritty and physical which is what this team needs more of.

 

3) Gabriel Davis - this is the trickiest one because obviously we can't really reduce the top 3 WR's snap counts but seems like all he does is make big plays when he's on the field.

 

4) Obada - seemed like he was very disruptive yesterday and had the only official sack of the game. Again another tricky situation because of the numbers game but if we are going to insist on giving former Panthers players playing time it should be him over Vernon Butler.

 

5) Punter is horrible and will cost this team down the stretch just like the Steelers game. Should have already found a replacement by now.

 

1.   I guess the 4 TD's were all from the one yard line.  I think it should be all three as they all bring a different strength to the running game

 

2.  I do think the team should not cut Klein in the off season as has been suggested here by many to save money as he's a strong replacement for either Edmunds or Milano.  But when both Edmunds and Milano are healthy, they both should play and they both tend to be 3 down LB's.  If anything this would show they a very sharp regime in that they didn't let Klein go this off season to save money on a player that doesn't play that much overall.

 

3.  Sanders started off very strong, could/should Davis play more, yes and think we will see more of him.  After the 1st loss to Steelers, the team moved away from 4 WR sets so limited his play.

 

4.  See #3 above, same situation, just a different guy.  Numbers game.  May also be it's taken him awhile to feel comfortable in the defense to use him more.  On the other side was expecting more from him when he has played in limited times so can't argue with them not playing him much till now.

 

5.  Missed field goals can also cost team a game which I think is a big reason Bojo is no longer here.  Aside from a blocked punt which did happen in the Pitt game,  personally I think a better chance of a missed field goal costing them the game than a punt going ten yards less.   Having said that I do think next year the Bills will draft a punter in around the 6th round who also has a history as a good holder too.

 

These are all debatable points, but a very far cry from the title here of "Poor roster decisions still an issue with this regime" .  Think I'll go with the guys who see the players every day and do this for a living full time.  None of us are at practices to see what's going on.

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15 minutes ago, HansLanda said:

Let's be clear about the punter. His real job is to have perfect holds for Bass, but he happens to punt as well. With this offense, I'd rather have a holder that gets it exactly how Bass wants it.

You can have both a guy who can punt good and hold good. I think they figured Haack would be more consistent, but he has been all over the place and just plain bad.

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I think Brieda adds an element that is otherwise missing in the backfield. He had a nice day filling in and stepping up.

 

But something has gone undiscussed (from what I have seen) that is concerning and might speak to why we don't see more of him. Did you see the HUGE hit on Josh when the blitzer was not picked up and went unnoticed by Allen?  Matt ran right by him as he was heading in. I'm not suggesting I know his responsibility on that play, but it has to be SOMETHING. Didn't block or even chip. How about a shout out to Josh so he isn't totally blindsided.

 

Funbles, missed blocks---that's the kind of stuff that can get a seemingly good back benched.

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3 minutes ago, The Dean said:

I think Brieda adds an element that is otherwise missing in the backfield. He had a nice day filling in and stepping up.

 

But something has gone undiscussed (from what I have seen) that is concerning and might speak to why we don't see more of him. Did you see the HUGE hit on Josh when the blitzer was not picked up and went unnoticed by Allen?  Matt ran right by him as he was heading in. I'm not suggesting I know his responsibility on that play, but it has to be SOMETHING. Didn't block or even chip. How about a shout out to Josh so he isn't totally blindsided.

 

Funbles, missed blocks---that's the kind of stuff that can get a seemingly good back benched.

 

That was an odd play. Josh never even checked his blindside not even just before the contact which made me think the responsibility on Brieda there is "if he comes, chip him, then leak out". Maybe it wasn't in which case Josh has to know that is a ball out quick play. Maybe it was a quick hitter and the Jets had the place the ball was supposed to go doubled up? I don't know but it is very rare there that you see a blitzer come free there where the back just releases from that side and the QB holds the ball more than a second without checking whether anyone is coming. Was a big execution failure somewhere.

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4 minutes ago, The Dean said:

I think Brieda adds an element that is otherwise missing in the backfield. He had a nice day filling in and stepping up.

 

But something has gone undiscussed (from what I have seen) that is concerning and might speak to why we don't see more of him. Did you see the HUGE hit on Josh when the blitzer was not picked up and went unnoticed by Allen?  Matt ran right by him as he was heading in. I'm not suggesting I know his responsibility on that play, but it has to be SOMETHING. Didn't block or even chip. How about a shout out to Josh so he isn't totally blindsided.

 

Funbles, missed blocks---that's the kind of stuff that can get a seemingly good back benched.

 

Frankly, I put that on Josh to see that and adjust properly. Something he failed to do there, and on more than a few other plays. Josh's lack of presnap reads and lack of situational awareness has been a problem all season, and especially in our losses.


Same thing for when Dawkins went out and it was 3rd and 13. You have a rookie, backup LT in the game on 3rd and Long. Josh MUST know that pressure will be coming and either step up/move around early, and/or get rid of the ball. ANYTHING but standing there, holding onto the ball, and taking a sack there which pushed us out of FG range.

 

I love the dude, but he needs to start channeling way more Brady and get the ball out immediately or make the smart play and throw it away.

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14 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

  Missed field goals can also cost team a game which I think is a big reason Bojo is no longer here. 

 

Indeed. Bojo is now holding for Mason Crosby, one of the most reliable kickers in the league... until this year. I think he's missed 7 FGs with Bojo holding.

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45 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

1) Matt Breida/Zack Moss - why did it take half the season to realize this guy should be active and getting snaps? Zack Moss has proven to be useless and we keep wasting carries on him for the same 2 yard gain almost every time he touches the ball. Should be Singletary/Breida the rest of the season without question. If they insist on dressing Moss then keep Taiwan Jones inactive.

 

Pass blocking. Missed blitz got Allen killed. You run right by him and he's clean off the edge on the blind side. How do you not pick that up? Breida is a half season adjustment to counter with speed on the edge.

 

45 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

2) AJ Klein - no he should not permanetly replace Edmunds, but this guy is a true grisled veteran that is always around the football. He proved it last year when he replaced Milano for a significant stretch and again this year when on the field. I get he's not the best in coverage but he's a throwback type of player....gritty and physical which is what this team needs more of.

 

No, we need coverage LBs.

 

45 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

3) Gabriel Davis - this is the trickiest one because obviously we can't really reduce the top 3 WR's snap counts but seems like all he does is make big plays when he's on the field.

 

Davis and Beasley limping cost a SB last year

 

45 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

4) Obada - seemed like he was very disruptive yesterday and had the only official sack of the game. Again another tricky situation because of the numbers game but if we are going to insist on giving former Panthers players playing time it should be him over Vernon Butler.

 

5) Punter is horrible and will cost this team down the stretch just like the Steelers game. Should have already found a replacement by now.

 

One game in trying out new people. Don't be the Raiders and draft a kicker with your first pick. Oline is biggest issue seeing how $100 million is under center.

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McBean seems to have built a pretty good roster. Yes, you can take exception with individuals. Punter is a problem & my guess is they will move on. I don't see what the coaches see on the film, which drives game day decisions. Moss is a very good blocker and gets into the game because of that. Dawkins was no HOF'er yesterday, and everyone saw what happened when Tommy Doyle can into the game. 

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49 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

5) Punter is horrible and will cost this team down the stretch just like the Steelers game. Should have already found a replacement by now.

 

This one, I agree with.  He is horrible and making an upgrade should not be difficult.

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