Someone needs to address the Jerry Hughes blackball issue.

[LABILLBACKER]

13 minutes ago, RunJoshRun said:

Sad but true!  It opens the question about NFL officials.  IF they can ignore all the holding Hughes receives they certainly can give breaks to Mahomes, Brady etc. in key spots of a game.  

 

They do that for ad revenue and nothing more. In Jerry's case he simply pissed them off, so an unwritten memo went out among the ref brethren. McD has to be aware of this narrative. 

[Royale with Cheese]

The refs don't hate Hughes.  They aren't these retaliation/revenge type of people.  They miss calls, it happens.

 

I've referred sports and have had players/fans/coaches on my ass about stuff...you're too focused on the game to care that they're on your ass.  

 

They are missing it because they missed the call.  He's had favorable calls too.  

[benderbender]

Hughes reminds me of Bruce with his quickness and dogged determination. When he's on, and focused, he is the second coming of Bruce. What doesn't remind me of Bruce is his apparent uncoachable habit of over pursuing and getting way out his run fits/rush lanes.

[Rc2catch]

7 hours ago, NewEra said:

If you think he is useless……

 

you have absolute no clue what you’re watching out there.  Seriously man……you think he’s been useless???? 
 

Maybe useless is a little extreme, but his production vs salary has been out of whack for awhile. I haven’t really seen him as an impactful player since Schwartz was here. We’ve all watched him be flagged 15 for smacking his own teammates helmet lol, and we’ve all seen his speed rush where he’s basically tackled and never gets the call. For him, his career, and stats I think he would of been better off somewhere else the last few years. I respect he’s the only one who was good enough to really hang on all these years here through the rebuilds 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

10 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

A lot of times when the refs call illegal hands to the face, the lineman gets his hands up there and holds it for a long time.

 

On this play, the RT violently punches Groot in the face and his helmet pops right off. The punch only lasted a fraction of a second, so it's more likely that the refs didn't see it than having a personal reason not to call penalties that happen to Groot. 

 

This could just be me, but I think when a lineman has his helmet go flying off, something illegit probably happened to cause that occurrance

[Utah John]

Let's put it this way.  If the Bills ever have a statue of Hughes put up, it will have an arm of the opposing player across his neck.  That's just how we see him most of the time.

[MJS]

5 hours ago, benderbender said:

Hughes reminds me of Bruce with his quickness and dogged determination. When he's on, and focused, he is the second coming of Bruce. What doesn't remind me of Bruce is his apparent uncoachable habit of over pursuing and getting way out his run fits/rush lanes.

When was the last time he had a Bruce Smith caliber game?

 

Hughes is a good player. But he is nowhere close to the elite echelon of pass rushers. Those guys finish. Hughes does not. He gets some pressures, but he does not get enough impact plays and he hasn't for years.

 

I'll be very disappointed if we resign him, not because I think he is a bad player or anything, but because I want to give the young guys a shot to develop and see if they can become guys who make the impact plays and can do more than just pressure.

[GETTOTHE50]

I hope Jerry retires a Bill personally. He’s a leader and I’m really happy to have him on the team. 

[SMAKCruiser]

6 hours ago, benderbender said:

Hughes reminds me of Bruce with his quickness and dogged determination. When he's on, and focused, he is the second coming of Bruce. What doesn't remind me of Bruce is his apparent uncoachable habit of over pursuing and getting way out his run fits/rush lanes

I have to question if you ever watched Bruce Smith play... At no point in Hughes playing career has he ever had the same level of quickness Bruce had.   Bruce used to completely take over games when he was on... That's never happened with Hughes 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

12 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Write a stern letter to the NFL! voila addressed.

NFL headquarters address is 345 Park Avenue 5th Floor New York, NY 10154 United States.  Added for the benefit of those interested in pursuing this method of remedying the situation.

😁

Strong letter to 'The Times'? 🤔

*
The Petition Site?  'Justice for Jerry Hughes!' would fit right in with 'End Clearcut Logging!' and 'Stop Using Ducklings as Badminton Birdies!'.

[Robert Paulson]

11 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Officiating in the NFL is terrible, and the game has become far too complex and rule driven.

 

It's overly regulated.  I'd love to see that changed.

 

 

Check out the helmet to helmet hit in cincy v jets. Jets rb intiated the hit with his helmet on the cincy player and cincy was flagged. Gave the jets the first down needed to ice the game. 

[North Buffalo]

Doubt the refs care... dont believe they ever made them fulltime employees with benefits... until that happens you get what you pay for

[Utah John]

7 hours ago, Robert Paulson said:

Check out the helmet to helmet hit in cincy v jets. Jets rb intiated the hit with his helmet on the cincy player and cincy was flagged. Gave the jets the first down needed to ice the game. 

Call like the one you mentioned aren't just routine bad calls.  They can change the outcome of games, and in a tough competitive league that can be the difference between a team making or not making the playoffs.  The NFL is still a lot better than WWE but sometimes it's just laughable.

[Motorin']

11 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

This could just be me, but I think when a lineman has his helmet go flying off, something illegit probably happened to cause that occurrance

 

I think everyone had that same reaction. I'm just leaning towards the refs not seeing the actual foul vs. they saw the foul and didn't call it to stick it to the Bills or Groot.

 

I replayed it again a few times in slow mo, and Groot actually gets a line on Tua with no helmet on and the RT rakes Groot's face. 

 

There was 2 distinct personal fouls not called. 

Edited November 1, 2021 by Motorin'

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

I think everyone had that same reaction. I'm just leaning towards the refs not seeing the actual foul vs. they saw the foul and didn't call it to stick it to the Bills or Groot.

 

The thing is, all the time refs call fouls they didn't actually see because they see something that appears to be the likely result of a foul.

 

I'm not a "conspiracy theorist" but my bottom line is that I want the ref'ing to be consistent, and I feel the last 2 games have not been that thing.

[Motorin']

55 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The thing is, all the time refs call fouls they didn't actually see because they see something that appears to be the likely result of a foul.

 

I'm not a "conspiracy theorist" but my bottom line is that I want the ref'ing to be consistent, and I feel the last 2 games have not been that thing.

 

Can't argue with that... I also want to know, isn't there an "eye in the sky" replay official that's supposed to see things like punches being thrown and helmets being ripped off?

[Scott7975]

19 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

IMO, the Hughes bias is over.  The refs miss stuff all the time and it is not blatant, intentional, conspiracy stuff.

 

However, not calling the Offside when Josh has them is starting to piss me off.  The top 10 QBs get those all the time.  They are not giving it to Josh.

 

Was a crucial non-call against Pitt -end of 3rd qtr- had 'em and no call.  So started 4th w 2nd and 10 instead of first and 5.  Was big miss IMO.

 

Happened again today.  Josh caught him in the neutral zone, got the ball hiked - and then no flag.  And these hurried plays are usually less effective, so not getting the call has a kind of double whammy affect - poor play and no call.  Today's was the grounding debacle.

 

Then to piss me off more, the announcers tried to claim it would have made offsetting penalties and the play would have been done over.  Remember this was on the grounding call.  I find that hard to believe.  In any event, even offsetting would have been much better than this missed call.

 

The refs need to start giving Josh/Bills the call when they have them in the neutral zone.  It's really starting to irritate me.

 

Miami also had a false start at least 3 times go uncalled.  These should be the easiest calls to make.

10 hours ago, Robert Paulson said:

Check out the helmet to helmet hit in cincy v jets. Jets rb intiated the hit with his helmet on the cincy player and cincy was flagged. Gave the jets the first down needed to ice the game. 

 

Bengals absolutely got screwed on that play.  Has to be one of the worst calls of the year if it isn't the worst.  

Edited November 1, 2021 by Scott7975

[LeGOATski]

1 hour ago, Motorin' said:

 

Can't argue with that... I also want to know, isn't there an "eye in the sky" replay official that's supposed to see things like punches being thrown and helmets being ripped off?

There's no transparency in the process and it doesn't exist for legitimate reasons. The NFL just uses it (or doesn't use it) to help get their desired outcome.

[Motorin']

17 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

There's no transparency in the process and it doesn't exist for legitimate reasons. The NFL just uses it (or doesn't use it) to help get their desired outcome.

Without transparency, that's certainly the way it appears. 

 

[LeGOATski]

6 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

Without transparency, that's certainly the way it appears. 

 

The short-lived minor leagues of the AAF and XFL did it right. The refs let the players play while only calling obvious penalties. The replay review process was quick and transparent. Even if you didn't agree with it, you at least heard their discussion. The NFL, seemingly out of pride and arrogance, chooses not to implement these simple measures. 

 

I love the Bills and NFL football, but I was rooting for those other leagues to succeed. I'm pretty jaded by the NFL's system. Even a little bit of competition would be a good thing.

[NewEra]

16 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

Maybe useless is a little extreme, but his production vs salary has been out of whack for awhile. I haven’t really seen him as an impactful player since Schwartz was here. We’ve all watched him be flagged 15 for smacking his own teammates helmet lol, and we’ve all seen his speed rush where he’s basically tackled and never gets the call. For him, his career, and stats I think he would of been better off somewhere else the last few years. I respect he’s the only one who was good enough to really hang on all these years here through the rebuilds 

It seems to me that production only = sacks in your mind.  Maybe I’m wrong about that, if so, explain.

 

imo, production = pressure on the QB.  Jerry does this very well.

[BearNorth]

13 hours ago, SMAKCruiser said:

I have to question if you ever watched Bruce Smith play... At no point in Hughes playing career has he ever had the same level of quickness Bruce had.   Bruce used to completely take over games when he was on... That's never happened with Hughes 

Bruce was longer and more physical than Jerry.  People forget, Bruce was 300 pounds as a rookie before Darryl Talley and his eventual wife Carmen got on him about his training habits. He also played all three downs, and often tied up two blockers if they ran to his side.

[Utah John]

26 minutes ago, BearNorth said:

Bruce was longer and more physical than Jerry.  People forget, Bruce was 300 pounds as a rookie before Darryl Talley and his eventual wife Carmen got on him about his training habits. He also played all three downs, and often tied up two blockers if they ran to his side.

That's true.  Jerry only ties up one holder at a time.  You never see an opposing O line dedicate two men to holding Jerry.

[Greatdane21]

Those three stooges that did the game Sunday did a number on Hughes

[swimtoga]

On 10/31/2021 at 5:22 PM, Mr. WEO said:

 

But let's just say it's Hughes so we can enjoy this type of thread every week!!

 

 

Refs don't have it in for Hughes.  

 

No, they do. There is no other explanation for the amount of missed blatant holds. 

[Mr. WEO]

6 minutes ago, swimtoga said:

No, they do. There is no other explanation for the amount of missed blatant holds. 

hmmmm what do you think?  How does it work?  Do the refs have a meeting before the game at their hotel to get their method of not calling holds on Hughes every week?  Who is coordinating all the crews to stay in script every week?  Is there a memo that goes out? Are there emails that will be leaked?!
 

tell us!!

[swimtoga]

3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

hmmmm what do you think?  How does it work?  Do the refs have a meeting before the game at their hotel to get their method of not calling holds on Hughes every week?  Who is coordinating all the crews to stay in script every week?  Is there a memo that goes out? Are there emails that will be leaked?!
 

tell us!!

Probably along the lines of the Blue Wall of Silence. He got one them suspended and he never gets a hold call. Not that big of a stretch. Please dont bother responding if you’re just going to spew a lot of  literary diarrhea with out actually saying anything like a child.

 

[Mr. WEO]

23 minutes ago, swimtoga said:

Probably along the lines of the Blue Wall of Silence. He got one them suspended and he never gets a hold call. Not that big of a stretch. Please dont bother responding if you’re just going to spew a lot of  literary diarrhea with out actually saying anything like a child.

 

So their league wide conspiracy against one player is based on….silence.  Maybe they use telepathy?  
 

You might be onto something.  If I were you I would say nothing…best way to spread the word!

 

[UConn James]

On 10/31/2021 at 4:46 PM, UConn James said:

The refs and refs union HATE Jerry with a passion.
 

Getting that ref suspended for calling him a b-word on-field and the altercation in the tunnel is always going to color how he is seen. They ignore when he gets absolutely mauled, like the almost-sack of Tua early, and they had been quick to toss yellow on him… although less so this year.

 

I’ve been advocating to move on from Jerry for a couple of seasons now. What he brings is just not worth what he costs in terms of ref-hate. He’s doubtful to be re-signed after this season, given Beane’s draft investment in DE/DL.

 

[swimtoga]

55 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

So their league wide conspiracy against one player is based on….silence.  Maybe they use telepathy?  
 

You might be onto something.  If I were you I would say nothing…best way to spread the word!

 

How long ago did your wife leave you?

[Freddie's Dead]

On 10/31/2021 at 9:25 PM, Einstein's Dog said:

Then to piss me off more, the announcers tried to claim it would have made offsetting penalties and the play would have been done over.

 

One of the network refs said later that the IG being a major foul would have overridden the offside and it would still be Fish ball, no offsetting.

[Matt_In_NH]

On 10/31/2021 at 5:58 PM, Motorin' said:

 

He seems like the kind of guy that never complains about anything. Which is refreshing. He didn't even lose a step rushing while helmetless. 

 

But yeah, that was 1000% a personal foul, and wish he could have drawn some attention to it. 

Is there a GIF of the play?  Helmets come from time to  time, I did not see any closeups on the broadcast.

[Mr. WEO]

11 hours ago, swimtoga said:

How long ago did your wife leave you?

“Literary diarrhea” “childlike”

 

clearly, irony is lost on you. 
 

Some might PM you, others might report you, I’ll just let your original posts and the one above simply stand as  the best representation of the alpha and omega of your intellect. 

[Einstein's Dog]

5 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

One of the network refs said later that the IG being a major foul would have overridden the offside and it would still be Fish ball, no offsetting.

What?  I find that even harder to believe.  Sounds like they were just making stuff up to help alleviate the injustice of not calling the obvious Offside.

 

If true, Josh will need to learn for the future to just take the sack.  Then when the Offside is called the Bills can at least get the 5 yards.  

 

An IG should not be in the same class as a Personal Foul.  An IG is usually a harmless attempt at avoiding a sack.  At most it should be offsetting.

[Freddie's Dead]

2 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

What?  I find that even harder to believe.  Sounds like they were just making stuff up to help alleviate the injustice of not calling the obvious Offside.

 

If true, Josh will need to learn for the future to just take the sack.  Then when the Offside is called the Bills can at least get the 5 yards.  

 

An IG should not be in the same class as a Personal Foul.  An IG is usually a harmless attempt at avoiding a sack.  At most it should be offsetting.

 

It's the loss of down that makes it a biggie.

[Einstein's Dog]

13 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

It's the loss of down that makes it a biggie.

Yes, but the whole premise of the IG was to not allow a throw away to avoid a sack.  And the penalty/call of IG was to create a situation as if the sack took place.  In the instance of an Offside though if it was a just a sack then the play could be avoided and the Offside accepted.

 

IMO, the idea that the Offside can be negated by an IG call is bad.  And now they're saying an IG call overrides the Offside, that would be very a poor rule.  If true, I hope they change that.

[Motorin']

4 hours ago, mattynh said:

Is there a GIF of the play?  Helmets come from time to  time, I did not see any closeups on the broadcast.

 

Yeah, there wasn't a closeup on the broadcast. Here's a slow mo, low res replay.

 

 

 

[Jauronimo]

Of all the criticisms thrown at Jerry this one might be the most unfair and honestly, bizarre. I think its perfectly natural for a man of his skin tone to have black balls.  Frankly, I'd be surprised if he didn't.

[Freddie's Dead]

6 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

Yeah, there wasn't a closeup on the broadcast. Here's a slow mo, low res replay.

 

 

 

 

Wow.  Dude literally grabbed the facemask and ripped his helmet right off his head.  HTF do you miss that call, refs?

[Mango]

8 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

Yeah, there wasn't a closeup on the broadcast. Here's a slow mo, low res replay.

 

 

 

 

In college I believe the play gets blown dead immediately if somebody loses their helmet.