Week 8: Dolphins at Bills

[Dr. K]

2 hours ago, RichRiderBills said:

That one loss by Josh.... the incredible game winner bounced off Charles Clay's chest. To date, it was one of Josh's most amazing plays and the moment I knew we had one. 

I agree that Clay should have caught the pass, but it absolutely did not "bounce off his chest." It was an amazing play by Josh but we don't have to distort what happened. This is how myths get started.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/now/josh-allens-bills-miracle-falls-flat-charles-clay-drops-potential-game-winner-vs-dolphins-215726312.html

Edited October 29, 2021 by Dr. K

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Pokebball]

I don't like all of the talking heads and others talking about how Josh "owns" the Dolphins.  The expectations for his play this Sunday are ridiculously high. I'm staying humble with JA.

[LeGOATski]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

LOL at saying I'm "wierdly dramatic" while you're making up conspiracy theories that coaches bench players to teach them motivational lessons at the cost of a better chance for a win.  😅

 

I think you're mis-quoting McDermott. 

 

Moss pulled a hamstring in training camp and missed a couple pre-season games before getting very limited snaps (4 carries) against the Bears and Packers.  We all know that hamstrings are unpredictable and can linger if not allowed to recover fully.  This is what was quoted in the media at the time.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/sean-mcdermott-shares-details-about-rb-zack-moss-week-1-absence/ar-AAOyNIN

 

 

Find a quote where McDermott said being inactive "motivated" Moss or was for the purpose of sending him a "message".  Bet you can find some dude on a fan blog spinning some conspiracy theory, but nothing McDermott actually said.

"Contributed" to making him inactive...meanwhile, the guy was totally healthy. You think they would hold back a healthy Moss multiple weeks because of a hamstring injury early in preseason, but wouldn't hold back Milano after his hamstring injury? That doesn't seem consistent.

 

I guess you believe there was nothing to Moss's tweet that day where he said "they're trying to do me dirty."

 

They sat Moss, but barely used his back-up and haven't used his backup since then. He went from inactive in week 1 to the top 5 most used RBs in the red zone by week 4. This tells me it also wasn't a numbers situation or gameplan related because they'd clearly rather use Moss. He was used plenty in the win against the Steelers last year, as well.

 

McDermott believes they can win regardless and it's obvious that he'll make these types of moves for the sake of player growth. You think it's preposterous and maybe it is, but that's his style.

1 hour ago, 2003Contenders said:

 

I suspect that the personnel for the Tennessee game was very game-plan specific. They were worried about Henry breaking loose and Tannehill running around -- so they employed a defense that had less to do with getting pressure on the QB and more to do with stopping the run. Sadly, the net result was that Tanney had all day long to survey the field, was patient, minimized mistakes, and found mid-range receivers.

 

With little threat of a running game from Miami, I believe that the game plan defensively this week will revert back to what we saw pre-Tennessee, which probably means an active AJ. The key will be to beware of the screen game, which Miami can run well with Tua, Gaskin and Gesicki.

Yeah, overthinking the matchups in that case. If they play Tennessee again in the playoffs, they won't do the same thing. 

[NewEra]

14 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

McKenzie wears shorter

 

How do you know this?

 

If Frazier sat Epenesa to “help his growth or humility” at the cost of a tactical advantage that could have won the game, I would be so not OK with that

 

Me, I don’t believe it and I think they felt Obada and Harrison gave them better run defense than Epenesa and Butler

Agreed.  He doesn’t know Jack.

While attending the Bills@KC game, I was sitting next to Harrison Phillips’ mother.  To make a long story short, she said that Harrison was inactive vs KC because he’s a “run stuffer” and they wanted more pass rushers. The rotation of DL will be based on the teams they are playing and how they plan to attack them.  

 

[Stank_Nasty]

30 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

I don't like all of the talking heads and others talking about how Josh "owns" the Dolphins.  The expectations for his play this Sunday are ridiculously high. I'm staying humble with JA.

 

have fun with that...

 

Edited October 29, 2021 by Stank_Nasty

[MasterStrategist]

Unfortunate for Spencer, if he has to miss this week then assuming Williams back to RT.  See if they go Cody or Ike at G, predict Cody

 

 

[cd1]

On 10/25/2021 at 12:36 PM, Process said:

Dolphins fans are confident

 

https://finheaven.com/threads/final-score-miami-dolphins-v-buffalo-bills.369180/

As I was reading the comments, this avatar cracked me up: (Josh bottle feeding a dolphin)

 

Edited October 29, 2021 by cd1

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

3 minutes ago, cd1 said:

As I was reading the comments, this avatar cracked me up: (Josh bottle feeding a dolphin)

 

that is hilarious. 

[Patrick Duffy]

14 minutes ago, cd1 said:

As I was reading the comments, this avatar cracked me up: (Josh bottle feeding a dolphin)

 

Lol, yeah that's awesome...I may end up stealing it for myself tbh

[HappyDays]

 

Losing Knox is a bigger deal than fans are making it out to be. He is arguably our best weapon in the red zone not named Josh Allen. Not sure this game will be the 3 or 4 TD blowout people are predicting.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[LeGOATski]

7 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Losing Knox is a bigger deal than fans are making it out to be. He is arguably our best weapon in the red zone not named Josh Allen. Not sure this game will be the 3 or 4 TD blowout people are predicting.

True.... but they haven't been good in the red zone anyway.

 

I have a feeling Sweeney is gonna be Bills fans' favorite backup after this week.

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, LeGOATski said:

True.... but they haven't been good in the red zone anyway.

 

Right, so losing their best red zone weapon could make them even less efficient unless they figured something out during the bye week. Luckily I am sure we can still easily win the next 3 games even if our red zone offense struggles. Hopefully Knox is back and fully healthy by the Colts game.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[LeGOATski]

9 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Right, so losing their best red zone weapon could make them even less efficient unless they figured something out during the bye week. Luckily I am sure we can still easily win the next 3 games even if our red zone offense struggles. Hopefully Knox is back and fully healthy by the Colts game.

Even with Knox out, I don't think they'll change up the personnel in the red zone or do anything drastically different. They've missed on plays that were there for the taking and it's mostly on Josh. So, I don't think they necessarily have to figure anything out, it's more about repetition in red zone drills (like we see in that thread about Diggs practicing the one handed catch) and just executing.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Mark Vader]

2 hours ago, Pokebball said:

I don't like all of the talking heads and others talking about how Josh "owns" the Dolphins.  The expectations for his play this Sunday are ridiculously high. I'm staying humble with JA.

He probably doesn't "own" the Dolphins, but I'm comfortable with saying that he has a lease on them.

[RichRiderBills]

3 hours ago, Dr. K said:

I agree that Clay should have caught the pass, but it absolutely did not "bounce off his chest." It was an amazing play by Josh but we don't have to distort what happened. This is how myths get started.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/now/josh-allens-bills-miracle-falls-flat-charles-clay-drops-potential-game-winner-vs-dolphins-215726312.html

 

Lol...I agree on closer detail it does not actually hit the chest first. Hits the hands, ground and maybe some chest in there, then bounces off. That being said, this has got to be one of the silliest corrective posts I've ever seen. Thanking you for setting the record straight. The truth must be heard.  

 

[Royale with Cheese]

I bet Tommy Sweeney smokes a lot of weed and has an exotic animal in his house....like a lemur.

[The Wiz]

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I bet Tommy Sweeney smokes a lot of weed and has an exotic animal in his house....like a lemur.

He breeds chinchillas in the off-season.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

He breeds chinchillas in the off-season.

 

Probably drinks a lot of Mountain Dew.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

I'm with This Guy

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

"Contributed" to making him inactive...meanwhile, the guy was totally healthy. You think they would hold back a healthy Moss multiple weeks because of a hamstring injury early in preseason, but wouldn't hold back Milano after his hamstring injury? That doesn't seem consistent.

 

I guess you believe there was nothing to Moss's tweet that day where he said "they're trying to do me dirty."

 

I think he might have felt that way initially then had a talk with his coach and had the Breida/McKenzie angle pointed out to him, which is why he deleted said tweet very quickly.  He was greeting McKenzie every time he came off the field.

 

You don't know that the guy was "totally healthy" any more than you "know the coaches make certain decisions for the sake of helping a player's growth/humility even if it doesn't give them the best tactical advantage for a regular season game.

 

3 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

They sat Moss, but barely used his back-up and haven't used his backup since then.

 

Right, because McKenzie finished out the game, therefore Breida wasn't needed.

Also, every game since, the run game has been a larger part of the game plan than 15 running back carries.

Other factor, because when he got his carries in a real game, Breida didn't make good. 

 

🤦‍♂️

 

Imma leave you to the enjoyment of the beautiful mental locale you inhabit, where coaches who are playing for the highest seeding they can get, bench players to motivate them "for the sake of helping a player's growth/humility even if it doesn't give them the best tactical advantage for a regular season game." (exact quote of what you said)

 

You're obviously not going to be persuaded by any factual evidence, quotes, absence of quotes supporting your viewpoint, common sense, etc.

 

3 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

McDermott believes they can win regardless

 

If I felt McDermott believed that, it would explain a couple of wrenching losses we've had.  But I think this is just more stuff you're making up. 

 

McDermott is the guy who says that if you start taking another team lightly you're gonna get your ass whipped, and there's every reason to believe that's his genuine belief.

 

If you're correct about McDermott and correct about benching players who offer a superior tactical advantage to "help their growth/humility" or motivate them, then we're gonna lose a bunch more games we should win.  That Is All.

 

 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

If Brown can’t go, then are we back to the Week 1 O-line?

[Amorgus]

27 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think he might have felt that way initially then had a talk with his coach and had the Breida/McKenzie angle pointed out to him, which is why he deleted said tweet very quickly.  He was greeting McKenzie every time he came off the field.

 

You don't know that the guy was "totally healthy" any more than you "know the coaches make certain decisions for the sake of helping a player's growth/humility even if it doesn't give them the best tactical advantage for a regular season game.

 

 

Right, because McKenzie finished out the game, therefore Breida wasn't needed.

Also, every game since, the run game has been a larger part of the game plan than 15 running back carries.

Other factor, because when he got his carries in a real game, Breida didn't make good. 

 

🤦‍♂️

 

Imma leave you to the enjoyment of the beautiful mental locale you inhabit, where coaches who are playing for the highest seeding they can get, bench players to motivate them "for the sake of helping a player's growth/humility even if it doesn't give them the best tactical advantage for a regular season game." (exact quote of what you said)

 

You're obviously not going to be persuaded by any factual evidence, quotes, absence of quotes supporting your viewpoint, common sense, etc.

 

 

If I felt McDermott believed that, it would explain a couple of wrenching losses we've had.  But I think this is just more stuff you're making up. 

 

McDermott is the guy who says that if you start taking another team lightly you're gonna get your ass whipped, and there's every reason to believe that's his genuine belief.

 

If you're correct about McDermott and correct about benching players who offer a superior tactical advantage to "help their growth/humility" or motivate them, then we're gonna lose a bunch more games we should win.  That Is All.

 

 

I don't know about the NFL but when Ron Hextall was in charge of the Flyers they had a sign up that said something like "No one is above the team.  You play our way or your don't get ice time and we don't care who you are."  So they literally DID sit some of their best people for stupid disciplinary crap like trying to use skill instead of being muckers and grinders and making the coach look like the idiot he was. That kind of egotistical tyranny is what got Ron fired and Dave Hakstol is now running the Kraken into the ground. I certainly don't see McDermott doing something like that but I know all too well the NHL is full of dinosaurs so there's probably some in the NFL.

Edited October 29, 2021 by Amorgus

[syhuang]

So it looks like Doyle will be the backup/swing tackle? Or is Bates still able to back up tackle even if he mainly plays inside recently?

[Blank Stare]

1 minute ago, syhuang said:

So it looks like Doyle will be the backup/swing tackle? Or is Bates still able to back up tackle even if he mainly plays inside recently?

Oh, Ryan Bates. So valuable in his role as a back up that he never sees the field. Will we ever get to know how good this guy is? The mystery continues…

 

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, The Wiz said:

He breeds chinchillas in the off-season.

Really?

[JohnBonhamRocks]

Bates on Halloween…

 

Ryan or Norman?

 

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I bet Tommy Sweeney smokes a lot of weed and has an exotic animal in his house....like a lemur.

Reminds me of the dude in Grandma’s Boy

Edited October 29, 2021 by JohnBonhamRocks

[Roundybout]

 

[Back2Buff]

46 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

If Brown can’t go, then are we back to the Week 1 O-line?

 

I think it would be back to the weeks 1, 2 and 3, where the o line was the better.

 

I thought they should have went back to the o line, even before Brown got hurt.  He was not very good the last two games

 

Edited October 29, 2021 by Back2Buff

[The Wiz]

19 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Really?

😆

 

No idea. But apparently there is good money in it. 

[Just Joshin']

2 hours ago, The Wiz said:

He breeds chinchillas in the off-season.

Are they declawed?

[LeGOATski]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

You're obviously not going to be persuaded by any factual evidence, quotes, absence of quotes supporting your viewpoint, common sense, etc.

Lol, two sides to that coin.

 

I'm heads, you're tails.

Edited October 29, 2021 by LeGOATski

[LabattBlue]

Good thing the game wasn't today or tomorrow.  Been raining since noon, and isn't supposed to be any better tomorrow.  Sunday looks better...but all is relative.

[BearNorth]

4 hours ago, MasterStrategist said:

Unfortunate for Spencer, if he has to miss this week then assuming Williams back to RT.  See if they go Cody or Ike at G, predict Cody

 

 

Fish two highest rated defensive players are LDE Ogbah (4th of 110 Edge Defenders) and Wilkins (8th out of 121 interior d lineman).  PFF is showing Tommy Doyle in the lineup at the RT spot, and Williams staying at LG.  Be interesting to see what plays out.

[Rockinon]

We haven't seen much of Doyle. That would be interesting indeed.

[YoloinOhio]

12 minutes ago, BearNorth said:

Fish two highest rated defensive players are LDE Ogbah (4th of 110 Edge Defenders) and Wilkins (8th out of 121 interior d lineman).  PFF is showing Tommy Doyle in the lineup at the RT spot, and Williams staying at LG.  Be interesting to see what plays out.

No way they line up Doyle at RT. It will be Williams. They will play Mongo/Boettger/Ford at the guard spots.