Bills lost the game in the red zone

[Bubba Gump]

Buffalo was 2 for 5 in the red zone. Tennessee was 3 for 3. You can't win many games in the NFL trading FG's for TD's. Tyler Bass is at the top of the league in kicking short FG's. 

[BuffaloRebound]

1 minute ago, Bubba Gump said:

Buffalo was 2 for 5 in the red zone. Tennessee was 3 for 3. You can't win many games in the NFL trading FG's for TD's. Tyler Bass is at the top of the league in kicking short FG's. 

That’s difference between a team that has Derrick Henry and a team that can’t run the ball.  

[pennstate10]

Bills lost the game on DL

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Pretty much. All 22 will show Allen missed some open WR'S. It wasn't his best performance in the redzone.

[gobills404]

Now I'm no football wiz, but I'm pretty sure giving up 34 points was why we lost

[DapperCam]

Agreed, team needs to figure out the red zone. Whatever running plays they are choosing aren’t working.

[Brandon]

It didn't help matters,  but the offense still put up 31 points.  

 

They lost this game because the defense was completely ineffective after the first quarter. 

[Virgil]

I read tweets too

[Bubba Gump]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Pretty much. All 22 will show Allen missed some open WR'S. It wasn't his best performance in the redzone.

 

The 3rd down where Josh ran, Cole Beasley was uncovered in the back of the end zone. Not sure if Josh was committed to running, but if he looked up, Cole was all alone. 

[BuffaloRebound]

Just now, Bubba Gump said:

 

The 3rd down where Josh ran, Cole Beasley was uncovered in the back of the end zone. Not sure if Josh was committed to running, but if he looked up, Cole was all alone. 

He was already 5 yards past LOS.  

[Bubba Gump]

2 minutes ago, Brandon said:

It didn't help matters,  but the offense still put up 31 points.  

 

They lost this game because the defense was completely ineffective after the first quarter. 

 

I agree, the defense was trash in the 2nd half, but if the Bills turned one of those FG's into a TD in the 1st qtr, they win.

Just now, BuffaloRebound said:

He was already 5 yards past LOS.  

 

Cole was all alone from the snap. That's why I think it was a run all along. Not a good call.

[Big Turk]

Yeah, they didn't do so great in the RedZone...had a chance to tie the game late and chose to go for it. I can't fault the decision, I would have done the same thing.

 

They'll work it out over the bye week and the next several games. Still think they will be the 1 seed with their NFL easiest schedule.

[RyanC883]

the title should state, yet again.  I believe we had this issue against PIT.  We def had it against Houston and McD even noted it in his post-game press conference then that you can't get down there and just kick FGs.  

[Dr.Sack]

When you go 2/5 in red zone you risk losing games. 

[Warcodered]

That's fair.

[Bubba Gump]

43 minutes ago, Virgil said:

I read tweets too

 

I don't do social media. But big ups to you.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

53 minutes ago, pennstate10 said:

Bills lost the game on DL

 

This

[LABILLBACKER]

55 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

That’s difference between a team that has Derrick Henry and a team that can’t run the ball.  

We discussed ad naseum last year how important it would be to improve our run game. Tonight proved nothing has changed from last year. The little Brieda experiment is a fail. And with our current OL we will continue to ask Josh to be our RB.

Edited October 19, 2021 by LABILLBACKER

[ILBillsfan]

D couldn't get a critical stop Titans got two in the second half....the drive before the last and then on the 4th and 1/2 a foot

[Hapless Bills Fan]

53 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Pretty much. All 22 will show Allen missed some open WR'S. It wasn't his best performance in the redzone.

 

All QB miss open receivers.  He hit open receivers too, which is why we scored 31 points.

 

Which is usually enough to win, if your defense doesn't give up 34 points and fail to get even one stop in the 2nd half.

[LongTermBuffalonian]

Yep.

 

To be honest - we've been weak in the red zone all season. 

Which is sorta why I'm not actually pissed at this loss.

 

Because - like last year - this was a "show me" moment that is gonna burn in the hearts of this team the entire bye week - and probably the rest of the season.

 

This? This loss *perfectly* highlighted some of the issues the wins have been glossing over; at a time when the players can learn, remember, and actually try to fix one or two of them. 

 

"King" Henry's boot running over three defenders.

A pass rush that wasn't.

Weakness on the Right side of the O-line. 

 

Josh not taking the easy shots when they are available...

 

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Nope - I think this was a nice humbling experience that will help the team going forward.

 

Still kinda sucks that we lost to Tennessee, but 4-2 into the Bye was about what I expected - so... eh?

 

 

Edited October 19, 2021 by LongTermBuffalonian

[Dr.Sack]

Two games we lost we were beaten by teams with better red zone execution. The physicality only intensifies in the RZ. 

[Big Turk]

They lost the game by having 2 penalties take 14 points off the board.

[BillMafia716ix]

We kept Tennessee in the game when we couldn’t convert in the redzone. Tennessee keeping the game close early on made Derrick Henry more effective as the game went on

[JerseyBills]

4 hours ago, Bubba Gump said:

Buffalo was 2 for 5 in the red zone. Tennessee was 3 for 3. You can't win many games in the NFL trading FG's for TD's. Tyler Bass is at the top of the league in kicking short FG's. 

Our red zone O has been brutal all year. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

All QB miss open receivers.  He hit open receivers too, which is why we scored 31 points.

 

Which is usually enough to win, if your defense doesn't give up 34 points and fail to get even one stop in the 2nd half.

It is what it is. This thread is about redzone. Allen missed some things. Yeah it happens. We haven't been good in the redzone this year believe it or not. Probably the coach in me, this team can still get better on offense which is scary.

[The Firebaugh Kid]

Same in the Steelers game. Red zone was a big letdown.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

The Bills lost the game on an unimaginative play call on 4th-1 from the 2-yard line.

 

 

[BuffaloRebound]

This had a super bowl 25 feel.  We left so many points on the field and were clearly the better team.  Coming off a 50 point win against the raiders then and now 4 straight blow-outs, it’s feels like you’re losing when you’re in a tight game even when you’re ahead.  We just didn’t play a disciplined football game last night.  If we tighten things up, we win that game by 2 TD’s.  

[Billsfan1972]

27 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

This had a super bowl 25 feel.  We left so many points on the field and were clearly the better team.  Coming off a 50 point win against the raiders then and now 4 straight blow-outs, it’s feels like you’re losing when you’re in a tight game even when you’re ahead.  We just didn’t play a disciplined football game last night.  If we tighten things up, we win that game by 2 TD’s.  

Yep.....  Just off all game.  Good learning experience I hope, but pretty much what you expect after looking unstoppable for 4 weeks.  Reality.....

[dave mcbride]

The key determinant for me was the all-important points-off-turnovers category. The Bills lost that one 7-3, which was the difference in the game.

[Tommy]

2 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

The Bills lost the game on an unimaginative play call on 4th-1 from the 2-yard line.

 

 

 

This is just hindsight. As others have pointed out today, Josh Allen had been 13/14 on converting 4th and 1 QB Sneaks in his career, with the one failure being a botched snap situation a couple years ago. The QB sneak was a virtual lock to get the 1st down from a probability perspective. You would be crucifying Daboll and McDermott if they ran an "imaginative" play call like a jet sweep to McKenzie that gets stopped for a 5 yard loss. Just because it didn't work out doesn't make it the wrong call.

[Demongyz]

19 minutes ago, Tommy said:

 

This is just hindsight. As others have pointed out today, Josh Allen had been 13/14 on converting 4th and 1 QB Sneaks in his career, with the one failure being a botched snap situation a couple years ago. The QB sneak was a virtual lock to get the 1st down from a probability perspective. You would be crucifying Daboll and McDermott if they ran an "imaginative" play call like a jet sweep to McKenzie that gets stopped for a 5 yard loss. Just because it didn't work out doesn't make it the wrong call.

This is true.

 

I wasn't worried one bit about this one.  Allen always gets a yard or so.  Unfortunately in a game where the middle of the line was getting abused, they got abused one more time.  They need to lick their wounds and remember this one for later in season, perhaps in the playoffs we will see them again.  It's a tough loss, but against a good team that appears to have our number.  Time to get it solved.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

3 hours ago, Tommy said:

 

This is just hindsight. As others have pointed out today, Josh Allen had been 13/14 on converting 4th and 1 QB Sneaks in his career, with the one failure being a botched snap situation a couple years ago. The QB sneak was a virtual lock to get the 1st down from a probability perspective. You would be crucifying Daboll and McDermott if they ran an "imaginative" play call like a jet sweep to McKenzie that gets stopped for a 5 yard loss. Just because it didn't work out doesn't make it the wrong call.

It was the wrong call.

 

Bills have one timeout and 22 seconds left.

 

Getting 1-yard there sets up first and goal and either a spike or timeout.

 

But then what would have followed are throws into the endzone, which is what I wanted to see before we ran the sneak on 4th-1.

 

Why not just run a regular play where Allen has option to run or pass?

 

Either way, Allen played his guts out for the Bills and I think the Coaching Staff let him down here.

[FireChans]

14 hours ago, DapperCam said:

Agreed, team needs to figure out the red zone. Whatever running plays they are choosing aren’t working.

They are trying to be a more complete team. 
 

Problem is, we aren’t. 
 

inside the 15, I want the ball in Josh’s hands every time. He’s got a better chance to make something happen running or passing than anyone else.

30 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

It was the wrong call.

 

Bills have one timeout and 22 seconds left.

 

Getting 1-yard there sets up first and goal and either a spike or timeout.

 

But then what would have followed are throws into the endzone, which is what I wanted to see before we ran the sneak on 4th-1.

 

Why not just run a regular play where Allen has option to run or pass?

 

Either way, Allen played his guts out for the Bills and I think the Coaching Staff let him down here.

You don’t run a regular play because you need one yard.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

They are trying to be a more complete team. 
 

Problem is, we aren’t. 
 

inside the 15, I want the ball in Josh’s hands every time. He’s got a better chance to make something happen running or passing than anyone else.

You don’t run a regular play because you need one yard.

A regular play gives you all the options, players in the end zone for the go ahead touchdown, or Allen can read and run. 
 

At best with the sneak you pick up the yard, then have to stop the clock and get into the end zone anyways.

[LABILLBACKER]

14 hours ago, pennstate10 said:

Bills lost the game on DL

Bills lost because both trenches sucked.

[FireChans]

4 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

A regular play gives you all the options, players in the end zone for the go ahead touchdown, or Allen can read and run. 
 

At best with the sneak you pick up the yard, then have to stop the clock and get into the end zone anyways.

One play vs 3. I just don’t agree. 

[Hebert19]

Who's out there to help?   We need to be able to run the ball down there and defenses are starting to key in on allen.   

 

We have great weapons but Beasley Diggs and sanders are most effective between the 20s.  

 

Need a downhill runner or a big target on outside to sure up the issues. 

[sven233]

The game was lost up front on both sides of the ball.  I think the coaches made a mistake from changing what was working on the defensive line by benching AJ and Boogie as we couldn't get sustained pressure up front and our O-line is still a work in progress.  For the first time since he's gone in, Brown looked like a rookie and, again, as much as I like the guy, Mongo is average at best and Dawkins is still struggling to regain his form on a consistent basis. 

 

I would love for Beane to take the Bye week and try to find us an upgrade at LG on the trade market.  I think as the season rolls along, Dawkins will get right and Mitch is having a pretty solid year at C.  Last night may not have been his best game, but he has been really good all year.  Williams is still adjusting at G, but hopefully he will be serviceable there and Brown continues to learn and get better.  While he's at it, maybe Bean can get us another CB as well.  Wallace has been a little better overall this season, but we can do better there as well.