I have a feeling Frazier will be Raiders #1 target

[AuntieEm]

1 hour ago, Carbonpoke said:

With what is going on over there, they will need to fill with somebody that has 0 character flaws, plus have a blue print to slow down the offenses in that division.  Thoughts?

       

     Plus getting another minority HC may help with any fallout over gruden having been able to hold a high position for so long if he kept up with his bigotry openly.  It would  actually be disappointing if he was openly bigotted and it wasn't a secret amongst players and other coaches.  I mean if he was clever enough to hide his bigotry its one thing but if he didn't bother and it was commonly known by players other coaches then thats a bad reflection on just the whole NFL - players, coaches, owners.  I'd feel it would be hopeless if that known behavior was allowed to exist without at the very least some anonymous tips to raise awareness 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

The Panthers fans I know are literally begging for someone to hire Joe Brady "useless", "incompetent", "the worst playcaller we have ever had" and "overrated jelly" is a summary of the thoughts after this past week. 

 

Actually you rarely lose coordinators if you make the Superbowl because of the delay it creates for the hiring team. 

 

I think making the conference championship game was part of the reason both Daboll and Frazier didn't get jobs last year too.  But agree SB makes the odds go down even further.  Seems team will wait through the round of 8, but after that want their guy.

 

Also think Davis will want a more sexy hire than either of our two.

[AuntieEm]

1 hour ago, Greg S said:

 

Another team to watch is the Giants. I could see them cleaning house and getting rid of both Gettleman and Judge. 

 

     Wonder if Chicago moves on from Nagy as well.  Being Frazier was part of the 85 Chicago SB team he might want to be  HC there if he's got fond memories of his playing there. 

 

    Yea I expect we'll lose one or both if we get to the SB.  Buffalo's current success is as much an unexpected turn around after that long drought even if it was easily explained by the NE stranglehold on the AFCE not discounting being tops in league often during their run, as Josh's rise in status in his accuracy and general development.

 

    However unlike BB, I feel the future results of the McDermott tree will be filled with more successes. BB's coaching tree is just filled with alot of rotten apples.  They do say fruit doesn't fall far from the tree so thats not such a surprise.

 

 

Edited October 12, 2021 by AuntieEm
General corrections

[wppete]

Yeah I agree. Most of the times hires tend to be the opposite of what they have fired. Frazier should be a head coach in the league. Or maybe he divides to stay in Buffalo, I would if I was him. 

[May Day 10]

You need to factor in the Mark Davis looney tunes factor

[Chandler#81]

2 hours ago, Greg S said:

If the Bills continue having a great season which I think they will then Frazier and Daboll will be getting there share of interviews this offseason. Good chance the Bills lose both of them especially if they win the Super Bowl.

Maybe not.. If we get to the SB, most teams don’t want to wait that long, given most job openings begin on Black Monday -day after the Regular Season ends. I think this had a lot to with being able to keep our Coordinators at least one more year. 

[stevewin]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Overrated jelly? 😂 

I think this belongs in the PB&J thread

[Bangarang]

Yeah, I doubt this.

[TheFunPolice]

I could see Frazier to Chicago when/if Nagy is finally let go, for reasons mentioned above: connection to the Bears as a member of that 85 team. 

 

Plus the chance to work with a young, dynamic QB with a high ceiling who is a bit raw and needs some time. Sound familair?

 

I could see Frazier trying the same formula there: strong defense, weapons for the QB and a disciplined tight locker room. 

 

WAY easier in Chicago than Las Vegas, where you have Mark Davis hanging around. 

 

 

 

 

[billsfan89]

I could see them going Frazier but then again I am not sure if they will not want to go with an up and coming coach. Either way I seriously doubt Daboll and Frazier will be on the coaching staff in 2022.

[Nextmanup]

2 hours ago, Carbonpoke said:

With what is going on over there, they will need to fill with somebody that has 0 character flaws, plus have a blue print to slow down the offenses in that division.  Thoughts?

There's a ton of guys to choose from.

 

The odds we lose anyone are probably low IMO.

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

16 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Maybe not.. If we get to the SB, most teams don’t want to wait that long, given most job openings begin on Black Monday -day after the Regular Season ends. I think this had a lot to with being able to keep our Coordinators at least one more year. 

 

Didnt they just change a rule or policy regarding no interviews during the playoffs at all so SB coaches dont lose out?

[Mat68]

I could see that.  I think Doug Pederson would be a Raiders type hire.  

[MrSarcasm]

Dabol is not going to the Raiders. I feel he will have a better option to choose from, Jags?

 

I see Leftwich going to the Raiders though.

[TheFunPolice]

Jaguars job will be a primo gig.

 

Great young talent at QB, you know you have a dynamic prospect at RB, some nice pieces on the roster, and a division that isn't all that great. 

 

Not to mention likely another top 5 draft pick. 

 

Plus, after Urban Meyer's 8-17 game tenure you'll get a LOT of leeway. 

Edited October 12, 2021 by TheFunPolice

[DrDawkinstein]

So the real question becomes... Who replaces Frazier on the Bills staff?

 

 

[RoyBatty is alive]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

The Panthers fans I know are literally begging for someone to hire Joe Brady "useless", "incompetent", "the worst playcaller we have ever had" and "overrated jelly" is a summary of the thoughts after this past week. 

 

Actually you rarely lose coordinators if you make the Superbowl because of the delay it creates for the hiring team. 

Brady is absurdly young, he just turned 32 and NFL HC imo would be way over his head.  He rode the coattails of Joe Burrow at LSU and not much beyond that.

 

Besides they are not going to hire a super you inexperienced white male when you have qualified AA coaches available.  The Raiders post Gruden debacle have to be politically correct.

[Bangarang]

16 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

So the real question becomes... Who replaces Frazier on the Bills staff?

 

 

Nobody. He isn’t going to be a HC.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, Carbonpoke said:

With what is going on over there, they will need to fill with somebody that has 0 character flaws, plus have a blue print to slow down the offenses in that division.  Thoughts?

 

I mean, it IS the same people who thought it was a good idea to hire Gruden and Mayock in the first place still in charge, yes?

 

What you say would make sense, but these aren't necessarily sensible people

[RoyBatty is alive]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I mean, it IS the same people who thought it was a good idea to hire Gruden and Mayock in the first place still in charge, yes?

 

What you say would make sense, but these aren't necessarily sensible people

 

 

I dont think Mark Davis can be confused with a Mensa Member.  He had to beg and comically over pay Gruden to join back at the Raiders.  Davis is a simple guy, he wanted a huge and splashy move to prove his is not "the man".  He wanted  to relive the glory days of the Raiders hence bring back Chuckie.  The Mayock hire was even worse.

 

Having said that, Davis is not a functional idiot (although you cant tell my his appearance, you think he could afford a better haircut) I think the hire will almost assuredly be an AA after the idiocy of what the Raiders are going through now.  

[DrDawkinstein]

16 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Nobody. He isn’t going to be a HC.

 

Ok, but if he DID...

 

Eric Washington on staff has some DC experience. But not sure I'm hot on that idea.

 

Any outside candidates?

[Don Otreply]

Imo, neither will get a HC slot, they are very good Coordinators but that’s as far as that goes, Frazier, is a one and done HC, and is a better DC, Dabol, was passed by last season, evidently not a big draw, again, jmo.

[Warcodered]

Just now, Don Otreply said:

Imo, neither will get a HC slot, they are very good Coordinators but that’s as far as that goes, Frazier, is a one and done HC, and is a better DC, Dabol, was passed by last season, evidently not a big draw, again, jmo.

I mean the way we're playing and how the NFL works I find that highly unlikely.

[FilthyBeast]

Regardless of the Raiders and the bigger picture of next round of job opening next  year....I still  think Daboll will be the hotter commodity because of Allen's development and how wrong the experts were about him, so naturally the assumption will be that Allen wouldn't have panned out if not for having Daboll as his OC his entire career thus far.

 

Frazier on the other hand has already been a HC and is an assistant under a defensive minded HC but I do think he will get another shot especially if the Bills off the chart defensive metrics hold up throughout the rest of this season.

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Frazier isn’t getting hired by anyone. He is viewed as a retread. The current trend is to hire 30-year old guys with skinny jeans. 

 

I agree.......he will be 63 years old next season.   Can't see any semi-contending team hiring him.

1 hour ago, May Day 10 said:

You need to factor in the Mark Davis looney tunes factor

 

 

He is liable to hire some ex-Raider on the radar of nobody in the coaching community.

 

It will be hard to find someone who can either understand OR respect that haircut.........but the candidate will have to be able to do one or the other.

[RyanC883]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Just put this in other thread. Daboll would be wise to stay away IMO 

 

 

 I think Frazier is their best pick paired with a great OC.  That said, Frazier can stay here.  He and McD work really well together.  

1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said:

Maybe not.. If we get to the SB, most teams don’t want to wait that long, given most job openings begin on Black Monday -day after the Regular Season ends. I think this had a lot to with being able to keep our Coordinators at least one more year. 

 

correction, 4 more after we win 3 straight SBs in a row.  Take a year off, then win 2 more.  We need at least 5 to cover for the 4 losses in the 90s.  

3 hours ago, Buffalo Junction said:

Gonna be interesting to watch the firings at the end of the season. 

 

Daboll might be the guy there.  Jones is not a bad QB.  

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

I mean the way we're playing and how the NFL works I find that highly unlikely.

The same was said about last season as well, and neither was given a slot, I certainly could be wrong but…, 

 

Go Bills!!!

Edited October 12, 2021 by Don Otreply

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Jeebus!  You don't think Gregg 'Blowhard' Williams would try to convince Mark Davis an era of thuggery might be good, do ya'? 🤔

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Someone convinced him that's a good hairstyle! 🤔🤔

[Carbonpoke]

I also have a feeling that gruden lost his locker room.  If (and this is a strong if) Davis is smart, he will approach his players and try to figure out what they need in a new coach, otherwise they will leave as soon as their contract is up.

[LeGOATski]

I feel like Daboll should go to a team without a QB. He brings Trubisky as the stop-gap and drafts his own QB. Raiders don't make sense.

 

I feel like Frasier should go somewhere with an established QB. Raiders make sense.

 

But goddamn I dont think I would ever want to work for that owner.

 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

5 hours ago, Greg S said:

 

Another team to watch is the Giants. I could see them cleaning house and getting rid of both Gettleman and Judge. 

 

If Gettleman was fired, I wonder if he'd end up here in Buffalo in some capacity?  He and Beane go back.

[B-Man]

6 hours ago, Greg S said:

If the Bills continue having a great season which I think they will then Frazier and Daboll will be getting there share of interviews this offseason.

 

Good chance the Bills lose both of them especially if they win the Super Bowl.

 

 

I hate that.

 

But I would take that trade.

[Niagara Dude]

6 hours ago, Carbonpoke said:

With what is going on over there, they will need to fill with somebody that has 0 character flaws, plus have a blue print to slow down the offenses in that division.  Thoughts?

If we have to lose one of two then I prefer it is Frazier

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:

The same was said about last season as well, and neither was given a slot, I certainly could be wrong but…, 

 

Go Bills!!!

 

Daboll got three interviews though and declined a 4th interview opportunity. He will get 3 or 4 interviews again this year. It eventually just becomes a numbers game. While Daboll is coordinating this offense he will get interviews every year. One year someone will offer him job.

 

A 62 year old, defensive minded, retread however will be less likely to get looks. Leslie has been very good here for four years and only got two interviews in that whole time.