"If Allen Plays Like Crap This Week, Accept that He's Simply Not Good

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Nick Wright is a talking head that says outlandish things for attention, pretty much trolling intentionally.

 

I'm down on Allen and very concerned but still don't have a big enough sample size to know who he truly is yet (this season).

 

But according to what you wrote in your OP, one more game will give you that big enough sample, AmIRite?

7 minutes ago, r00tabaga said:

A moth goes into a podiatrist’s office, and the podiatrist’s office says, “What seems to be the problem, moth?”

The moth says “What’s the problem? Where do I begin, man? I go to work for Gregory Illinivich, and all day long I work. Honestly doc, I don’t even know what I’m doing anymore. I don’t even know if Gregory Illinivich knows. He only knows that he has power over me, and that seems to bring him happiness. But I don’t know, I wake up in a malaise, and I walk here and there… at night I…I sometimes wake up and I turn to some old lady in my bed that’s on my arm. A lady that I once loved, doc. I don’t know where to turn to. My youngest, Alexendria, she fell in the…in the cold of last year. The cold took her down, as it did many of us. And my other boy, and this is the hardest pill to swallow, doc. My other boy, Gregarro Ivinalititavitch… I no longer love him. As much as it pains me to say, when I look in his eyes, all I see is the same cowardice that I… that I catch when I take a glimpse of my own face in the mirror. If only I wasn’t such a coward, then perhaps…perhaps I could bring myself to reach over to that cocked and loaded gun that lays on the bedside behind me and end this hellish facade once and for all…Doc, sometimes I feel like a spider, even though I’m a moth, just barely hanging on to my web with an everlasting fire underneath me. I’m not feeling good. And so the doctor says, “Moth, man, you’re troubled. But you should be seeing a psychiatrist. Why on earth did you come here?”

And the moth says, “‘Cause the light was on.

 

This did not go where I expected it to go

[goober]

11 minutes ago, r00tabaga said:

A moth goes into a podiatrist’s office, and the podiatrist’s office says, “What seems to be the problem, moth?”

The moth says “What’s the problem? Where do I begin, man? I go to work for Gregory Illinivich, and all day long I work. Honestly doc, I don’t even know what I’m doing anymore. I don’t even know if Gregory Illinivich knows. He only knows that he has power over me, and that seems to bring him happiness. But I don’t know, I wake up in a malaise, and I walk here and there… at night I…I sometimes wake up and I turn to some old lady in my bed that’s on my arm. A lady that I once loved, doc. I don’t know where to turn to. My youngest, Alexendria, she fell in the…in the cold of last year. The cold took her down, as it did many of us. And my other boy, and this is the hardest pill to swallow, doc. My other boy, Gregarro Ivinalititavitch… I no longer love him. As much as it pains me to say, when I look in his eyes, all I see is the same cowardice that I… that I catch when I take a glimpse of my own face in the mirror. If only I wasn’t such a coward, then perhaps…perhaps I could bring myself to reach over to that cocked and loaded gun that lays on the bedside behind me and end this hellish facade once and for all…Doc, sometimes I feel like a spider, even though I’m a moth, just barely hanging on to my web with an everlasting fire underneath me. I’m not feeling good. And so the doctor says, “Moth, man, you’re troubled. But you should be seeing a psychiatrist. Why on earth did you come here?”

And the moth says, “‘Cause the light was on.

RIP Norm

[Bruffalo]

Are you going for the hottest take of all hot takes? You are delusional if you think anyone in the organization would be having buyer's remorse regardless of what happens next game.

 

How could you call him "simply not good" when he had an entire season of great-elite play?  You can't write off 1 out of 3 years of production just to fit your bias.

[FilthyBeast]

Just to answer this question, the original post which somehow became it's own thread was certainly a bit harsh or overreaction.

 

But I stand point the general point that if Allen has 3 straight bad games to start the season regardless of W/L no rational fan should be able to 'accept' this given his contract. You pay $250M for Mahomes/Brady like production right or wrong and it's not about personal like or dislike of Josh Allen as a human being, it's about exactly what he said post contract signing: "He was given this deal not for what he has done in the past but for what the organization believes he will do...i.e. win a championship"

 

I believe in Allen but not sure what exactly is happening to him especially 'that look in his eye' during the Dolphins game where he clearly looked clueless as to what is going on. There is still time to rectify the situation but the sense of urgency and pressure is very real heading into face a WFT that has had extended time to prepare.

 

In the end it would be so typical of this team to field a great defense again but have a major regression on the offensive side when nobody (even the harshest critics) felt that was possible. Is it too much to ask to finally have a team that is great in all areas instead of the complete opposite of what they were in the previous season?

[CorkScrewHill]

21 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Psssst: Shhh. 

Don't tell Mahomie's brother or mom, I don't wanna get trashed on Insta. 

Mahomes had 4 regular games with 58% or less completion last season.  One was 51%! 

He had 4 games less than 58% and a fifth 59% in 2019! 

 

That's with Kelce the truck, Cheetah Hill, and apparently one of the best offensive minds in the game calling plays.

 

It happens to Mahomes too.

Heresy!

[Scott7975]

Josh will be fine.  I acknowledge that he has had a not so good couple games.  I just feel like the offense,  Daboll, and Josh are in the middle of changing up what they do to counter a defensive style they aren't use to seeing played against them.  To me this staff and team for whatever reason have always been slow at adjusting.  Halftime adjustments have always stunk IMO and it seems to take weeks for them to adjust.  Whether that is on defense or offense.  I am certainly not going to throw the towel in after 2-3 weeks.

[Boatdrinks]

3 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Just to answer this question, the original post which somehow became it's own thread was certainly a bit harsh or overreaction.

 

But I stand point the general point that if Allen has 3 straight bad games to start the season regardless of W/L no rational fan should be able to 'accept' this given his contract. You pay $250M for Mahomes/Brady like production right or wrong and it's not about personal like or dislike of Josh Allen as a human being, it's about exactly what he said post contract signing: "He was given this deal not for what he has done in the past but for what the organization believes he will do...i.e. win a championship"

 

I believe in Allen but not sure what exactly is happening to him especially 'that look in his eye' during the Dolphins game where he clearly looked clueless as to what is going on. There is still time to rectify the situation but the sense of urgency and pressure is very real heading into face a WFT that has had extended time to prepare.

 

In the end it would be so typical of this team to field a great defense again but have a major regression on the offensive side when nobody (even the harshest critics) felt that was possible. Is it too much to ask to finally have a team that is great in all areas instead of the complete opposite of what they were in the previous season?

So after two games, ( throw in the last couple playoff games too) fans should not accept what they are seeing because of Allen’s contract ?  Offensive regression is typical of this team ?  How many NFL teams are great in all areas?  There’s a long way to go in 2021 (and much longer in Allen’s Bills career) , but expecting a repeat of a record setting season for the franchise is probably a tad unrealistic. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Just to answer this question, the original post which somehow became it's own thread was certainly a bit harsh or overreaction.

 

"Somehow became its own thread"?  With a post and a message at the header of both the original and the new thread, I didn't think there was a mystery.

 

Agree, it was an overreaction, and it was making a distracting amount of noise in the weekly game thread.  That's why it got its own thread.

 

8 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

But I stand point the general point that if Allen has 3 straight bad games to start the season regardless of W/L no rational fan should be able to 'accept' this given his contract. You pay $250M for Mahomes/Brady like production right or wrong and it's not about personal like or dislike of Josh Allen as a human being, it's about exactly what he said post contract signing: "He was given this deal not for what he has done in the past but for what the organization believes he will do...i.e. win a championship"

 

What do you mean by "regardless of W/L" and "accept this"? 

 

8 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

I believe in Allen but not sure what exactly is happening to him especially 'that look in his eye' during the Dolphins game where he clearly looked clueless as to what is going on.

 

Now you're just making stuff up.

 

[ngbills]

Josh is playing bad through two games. That is all we know. He could play bad for the next 6 and then turn it around the rest of the year. He could turn it around next week and be money from here on out. He could play well one week and bad the next. The reality is none of us know. He is a young QB and there are no guarantees despite a great year last year. If your the Bills you still had to pay him based on what they saw though could argue why not wait until this year. End of the day he played well enough to bet the farm on him. If he flops it really sucks, but this was not a situation with many questioning if Allen was the guy. 

Edited September 21, 2021 by ngbills

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

9 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

So after two games, ( throw in the last couple playoff games too) fans should not accept what they are seeing because of Allen’s contract ?  Offensive regression is typical of this team ?  How many NFL teams are great in all areas?  There’s a long way to go in 2021 (and much longer in Allen’s Bills career) , but expecting a repeat of a record setting season for the franchise is probably a tad unrealistic. 

 

Was he that bad against baltimore?  Both teams missed a couple of FGs.  Buffalo couldn't run the ball at all.  They came out and took a 7 point lead in the 3rd quarter, and didn't have the ball again until the 4th quarter.  And they ran 5 minutes off the clock on the next drive after the pick 6.  Could probably argue he was our best player against KC - not sure anyone else even qualifies.  

Edited September 21, 2021 by dneveu

[Success]

17 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

Was he that bad against baltimore?  Both teams missed a couple of FGs.  Buffalo couldn't run the ball at all.  They came out and took a 7 point lead in the 3rd quarter, and didn't have the ball again until the 4th quarter.  And they ran 5 minutes off the clock on the next drive after the pick 6.  Could probably argue he was our best player against KC - not sure anyone else even qualifies.  

 

Our lack of running game hurt us that game.  The wind was crazy.  Sure, Buffalo QB's should be able to "handle" the wind, but elements are still elements, and it was not a good day for passing the ball.

 

Losing Moss hurt us more than people think.  The combo of him & Singletary are what we need to have a competent (not great) running game and more balance.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 hours ago, Eastport bills said:

This sad excuse for a Bills fan deserves to be mired in mediocrity and bleed internally with the pedestrian cast of talentless QBs we have survived for the last 25 years. Clueless posters like this are wasting the time and energy of devoted fans. How about if you can't make a rational statement you retire to private life. 

 

You can always block the guy if you feel that way about it.

[newcam2012]

6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It's a little hard to fathom why, if Allen has totally lost his mechanics, vision, and confidence, he completed some of the throws he has in fact hit the last 2 games and especially the Miami game.

 

 

I never used the word "totally." Allen made some good throws. I stand by my statement and feel it's accurate. Not sure how an open minded football fan can't see that Allen's play was mediocre at best. The stats back that up too. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

On 9/20/2021 at 1:13 PM, FilthyBeast said:

 

Agree, if Allen plays like crap again this week there are no more excuses. It will be time to accept that he's simply not good and behind closed doors in Orchard Park there will be serious buyers remorse knowing that he had a fluke year during the weird fanless covid year.

 

Washington has a good dline and but has struggled mightily overall and is lucky to be 1-1 right now. And even if they were a top defense Allen played extremely well against many top 10 defenses last year and has to show that again given his contract. Really hope he can turn it around and come out firing.

Lol a fluke year? The dude moved the football with literally 0 help on a talentless roster his rookie year and made progress in year two 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

I don't understand how this thread was started because I don't even know how to start my own because I've tried before?

 

But I just want to note that it doesn't mean the season is over after 3 games or Allen is completely trash, it's just hard to understand how a guy who had an MVP caliber season last year can be among the worst QB's in the league after 2 games in 2021. His YPA is even worse than his rookie season which is unfathomable.

 

As a new member, you are restricted from starting your own threads.  As a mod, I can do it for you.

 

I think in calling Allen "among the worst QBs in the league" you are stat-following, and not actually watching the game.  I find Cover1 and Jim Kubiak and a couple other breakdowns here very helpful in building understanding.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I never used the word "totally." Allen made some good throws. I stand by my statement and feel it's accurate. Not sure how an open minded football fan can't see that Allen's play was mediocre at best. The stats back that up too. 

 

True, you didn't say "totally".  You said "Allen has lost his confidence, his mechanics, and vision".  So what are you saying then?  He sorta sometimes lost his confidence, his mechanics, and his vision, except when he magically recovered them to make some great reads and throws, then lost them again?

 

That sounds improbable to me.

[FilthyBeast]

58 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

"Somehow became its own thread"?  With a post and a message at the header of both the original and the new thread, I didn't think there was a mystery.

 

Agree, it was an overreaction, and it was making a distracting amount of noise in the weekly game thread.  That's why it got its own thread.

 

 

What do you mean by "regardless of W/L" and "accept this"? 

 

 

Now you're just making stuff up.

 

 

If you have the game recorded go back and watch around the late 3rd/ early 4th quarter, he didn't look right on the sidelines and appeared visibly frustrated with a deer in the headlights type of look which we saw a lot in 2018/2019. That was the only point of that statement and definitely not making it up.

 

Obviously he still finished with 2 TD's and 'glimpes' of the 2020 version but you get the sense he knows himself his play is nowhere up to snuff which the early season numbers reflect.

 

Again, 2 games don't make a season but the bigger concern is his performance going to back to the Baltimore playoff game and what some feel was a premature contract extension.

 

Hopefully after a few more games we'll look back in hindsight as simply a 'slow start' but until then the anxiety and concern is justified.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

18 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

If you have the game recorded go back and watch around the late 3rd/ early 4th quarter, he didn't look right on the sidelines and appeared visibly frustrated with a deer in the headlights type of look which we saw a lot in 2018/2019. That was the only point of that statement and definitely not making it up.

 

Of which game?  The Miami game?  The game where it was 89 degrees and sunny and 78 degree dewpoint?  The one where players were cramping up with fatigue and getting IVs to rehydrate?  I'd have a glassy look in my eyes, just from physical effort in pads and cleats in the heat. 

 

Then there's context.  Between the 3rd and 4th Q - you mean, after we'd just completed a long pass-centric TD drive and were leading 21 to zip? 

 

Or after the actual span between the 3rd and 4th Q, after Allen was leading the Bills on a grind-the-clock, 5:24 11 play drive ending in a TD so that we were leading 28 to zip?

 

SMDH.  I wouldn't be surprised if you saw Allen looking kind of dazed on the sidelines, but I would be surprised if it didn't have a lot more to do with physical effort expended in miserable conditions.

 

18 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Again, 2 games don't make a season but the bigger concern is his performance going to back to the Baltimore playoff game and what some feel was a premature contract extension.

 

Hopefully after a few more games we'll look back in hindsight as simply a 'slow start' but until then the anxiety and concern is justified.

 

You seem to be backing away from the notion that we should all accept that Allen is "simply not good" if he doesn't play to your satisfaction this coming Sunday.

 

I'll take that as a positive sign.

[BuffaninSarasota]

31 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

If you have the game recorded go back and watch around the late 3rd/ early 4th quarter, he didn't look right on the sidelines and appeared visibly frustrated with a deer in the headlights type of look which we saw a lot in 2018/2019. That was the only point of that statement and definitely not making it up.

 

Obviously he still finished with 2 TD's and 'glimpes' of the 2020 version but you get the sense he knows himself his play is nowhere up to snuff which the early season numbers reflect.

 

Again, 2 games don't make a season but the bigger concern is his performance going to back to the Baltimore playoff game and what some feel was a premature contract extension.

 

Hopefully after a few more games we'll look back in hindsight as simply a 'slow start' but until then the anxiety and concern is justified.

 

who, exactly, are "some" people who feel the contract extension was premature?

 

I also find it laughable that some posters here are somehow tying the amount of JA's new contract to his 2 game performance thus far, and/or saying he's not "justifying" the contract dollars. 

[Don Otreply]

21 hours ago, Bangarang said:

I’m here to fight someone. Who’s stepping up!?

I gotcha, look out, I’m a 62 year old former Marine, 

 

with a bad heart, that matches my attitude 😁

[3rdand12]

On 9/20/2021 at 1:13 PM, FilthyBeast said:

 

Agree, if Allen plays like crap again this week there are no more excuses. It will be time to accept that he's simply not good and behind closed doors in Orchard Park there will be serious buyers remorse knowing that he had a fluke year during the weird fanless covid year.

 

Washington has a good dline and but has struggled mightily overall and is lucky to be 1-1 right now. And even if they were a top defense Allen played extremely well against many top 10 defenses last year and has to show that again given his contract. Really hope he can turn it around and come out firing.

how about you jump in a Lake ?
 just a thought

 

2 hours ago, r00tabaga said:

A moth goes into a podiatrist’s office, and the podiatrist’s office says, “What seems to be the problem, moth?”

The moth says “What’s the problem? Where do I begin, man? I go to work for Gregory Illinivich, and all day long I work. Honestly doc, I don’t even know what I’m doing anymore. I don’t even know if Gregory Illinivich knows. He only knows that he has power over me, and that seems to bring him happiness. But I don’t know, I wake up in a malaise, and I walk here and there… at night I…I sometimes wake up and I turn to some old lady in my bed that’s on my arm. A lady that I once loved, doc. I don’t know where to turn to. My youngest, Alexendria, she fell in the…in the cold of last year. The cold took her down, as it did many of us. And my other boy, and this is the hardest pill to swallow, doc. My other boy, Gregarro Ivinalititavitch… I no longer love him. As much as it pains me to say, when I look in his eyes, all I see is the same cowardice that I… that I catch when I take a glimpse of my own face in the mirror. If only I wasn’t such a coward, then perhaps…perhaps I could bring myself to reach over to that cocked and loaded gun that lays on the bedside behind me and end this hellish facade once and for all…Doc, sometimes I feel like a spider, even though I’m a moth, just barely hanging on to my web with an everlasting fire underneath me. I’m not feeling good. And so the doctor says, “Moth, man, you’re troubled. But you should be seeing a psychiatrist. Why on earth did you come here?”

And the moth says, “‘Cause the light was on.

you stole that from McDonald. and it has to be done by him for the affect 

 But an A for effort

[RochesterLifer]

6 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

I gotcha, look out, I’m a 62 year old former Marine, 

 

with a bad heart, that matches my attitude 😁

😎 I gots yer back, brother.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

12 hours ago, H2o said:

My opinion on Allen? He just signed a huge contract and it's in the back of his mind. He is such a competitor that right now he's trying to live up to expectations that come along with that contract. So in my humble opinion he looks to be feeling the pressure of living up to the hype. The OL is not doing him any favors, nor is Dabol right now with his play calling. Josh is a guy who seems to excel most when he gets into a rhythm early then it carries through the rest of the game. Dabol needs to call the game like that early so Josh can get those quick hitters and intermediate routes going. Dabol also needs to use more motion, like he did last year. It doesn't seem like they are right now to me. The OL also needs to keep the man from getting hit every 3 drop backs. I think Josh will be fine and this team will only get better with each passing week. To all of the people looking for reasons to jump off of the wagon? ✌️✌️ 

What qb has ever lit up the scoreboard when the defense could pressure him with 4 guys...not even the mighty 07 pats offense could do it...nor the chiefs offense last year.   The dude has been in an extremely difficult situation the first two weeks and he's played ok.  Idk how we can compare that to a season of games he played where most were in ideal circumstances last year and say hes regressed... its nuts. It's not his fault the offense couldn't play the jets week 1 this season 

Edited September 21, 2021 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

how about you jump in a Lake ?
 just a thought

 

 

I think if he doesn’t have a 75% completion percentage in the first quarter with a QB rating over 100 we should pull him! I mean, why wait? It’s obvious that he was just a flash in the pan who lost in the AFCCG last year. What a LOSER! A couple drives in the first quarter should seal his fate!   

[Heitz]

Is this guy still on the team?  It's TrubTime.

 

🙄 

 

[ngbills]

11 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

What qb has ever lit up the scoreboard when the defense could pressure him with 4 guys...not even the mighty 07 pats offense could do it...nor the chiefs offense last year.   The dude has been in an extremely difficult situation the first two weeks and he's played ok.  Idk how we can compare that to a season of games he played where most were in ideal circumstances last year and say hes regressed... its nuts. It's not his fault the offense couldn't play the jets week 1 this season 

I am all for the don't judge a guy based on two games.

 

But to say he has been in extremely difficult situations and that is the problem?

 

He is missing plenty of open WR, overthrowing balls, underthrowing balls, etc. I dont think he has made that many what are you doing throws which is a good thing. Makes me think something is slightly off with his mechanics. This has always gotten JA in trouble at times and he needs to settle down and focus on the fundamentals. 

Edited September 21, 2021 by ngbills

[Alphadawg7]

4 minutes ago, ngbills said:

I am all for the don't judge a guy based on two games.

 

But to say he has been in extremely difficult situations and that is the problem?

 

He is missing plenty of open WR, overthrowing balls, underthrowing balls, etc. I dont think he has made that many what are you doing throws which is a good thing. Makes me think he has something is slightly off with his mechanics. This has always gotten JA in trouble at times and he needs to settle down and focus on the fundamentals. 

You seem to have over looked, forgotten, or flat out disregarded that the vast majority of those balls you are referencing he was throwing under duress from the terrible blocking of the OL

Edited September 21, 2021 by Alphadawg7

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

7 minutes ago, ngbills said:

I am all for the don't judge a guy based on two games.

 

But to say he has been in extremely difficult situations and that is the problem?

 

He is missing plenty of open WR, overthrowing balls, underthrowing balls, etc. I dont think he has made that many what are you doing throws which is a good thing. Makes me think something is slightly off with his mechanics. This has always gotten JA in trouble at times and he needs to settle down and focus on the fundamentals. 

I agree with a lot of that but he has always done those things in the situations he has found himself in this season and he has been smarter with the football...that's literally my point 🤣 our pass blocking was solid for a lot of last season and it will likely be solid for a lot of this season but he hasn't had those games yet.  We got absolutely spanked in games where we got whooped by 4 man rushes last season and this season we could be a blocked punt away from 2-0 against two solid teams because he's managed the games pretty well rather than melting down trying to carry the team. it's unknowable at this point but he could easily be ahead of last season and as a complete football team we could be considerably ahead of last season 

Edited September 21, 2021 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[rayray808]

Please don't share this outside of this chat... but my cousin did a deep dive on all of this and said Josh Allen will be just fine

[ngbills]

11 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

You seem to have over looked, forgotten, or flat out disregarded that the vast majority of those balls you are referencing he was throwing under duress from the terrible blocking of the OL

So your saying if our OL does not get better we are in for a long disappointing season? 

 

I would rather believe JA is going to figure this out. The OL is mostly what it is but may play slightly better. But JA will be the catalyst to get this offense right. 

[galept]

4 minutes ago, rayray808 said:

Please don't share this outside of this chat... but my cousin did a deep dive on all of this and said Josh Allen will be just fine

 

If he doesn't have a great stat line vs WFT it won't just be these boards that will be full of doomsayers. It will start to become a media narrative and I'm not looking forward to that kind of negativity.

[r00tabaga]

33 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

how about you jump in a Lake ?
 just a thought

 

you stole that from McDonald. and it has to be done by him for the affect 

 But an A for effort

I feel like that was an appropriately long distraction from this thread. Did not steal it and no apologies needed.

As a matter of fact I thought it tied the room together nice 😂

[H2o]

31 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

What qb has ever lit up the scoreboard when the defense could pressure him with 4 guys...not even the mighty 07 pats offense could do it...nor the chiefs offense last year.   The dude has been in an extremely difficult situation the first two weeks and he's played ok.  Idk how we can compare that to a season of games he played where most were in ideal circumstances last year and say hes regressed... its nuts. It's not his fault the offense couldn't play the jets week 1 this season 

Not really sure how this pertains to what I said when I noted he's gotten no favors from the OL or Daboll. I also said I expect him and our offense to get better as the year rolls along. I closed out by telling the people looking for reasons to jump off of the wagon right now ✌️✌️, as in deuces, or don't let the door hit you, or here let me give you a push, or off, or bye Felicia. I still hold to the thought that Allen is so competitive that he's pushing a bit right now though. That will wear off as the season goes along, as long as the OL does their job. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

7 minutes ago, H2o said:

Not really sure how this pertains to what I said when I noted he's gotten no favors from the OL or Daboll. I also said I expect him and our offense to get better as the year rolls along. I closed out by telling the people looking for reasons to jump off of the wagon right now ✌️✌️, as in deuces, or don't let the door hit you, or here let me give you a push, or off, or bye Felicia. I still hold to the thought that Allen is so competitive that he's pushing a bit right now though. That will wear off as the season goes along, as long as the OL does their job. 

Haha I didn't really make it clear enough 🤣 I agree with a lot of what you said but I dont think it has anything to do with his contract/him trying to hard.  He just historically hasn't been good at the looks the defenses the first two weeks have been able to throw at us personell wise but really nobody is.  Miamis defense is really not a great matchup for us but Brian Flores has put together laughable game plans up until Sunday that played right into Josh's strengths. We really could be seeing a better josh allen than last year he normally absolutely melts down in games like that like the chiefs game and the titans game last season

Edited September 21, 2021 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[newcam2012]

You sound like an intelligent person. Surely a QB throughout a game can make several great throws and reads. That isn't indicative of the QB having a good game. It's not all or none.  It's pretty basic and I'm sure you can comprehend that. Your post just sounds like your trying to get into a war of words with me. I'm not interested in that. Let's move on...No hard feelings here. 

[H2o]

1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Haha I didn't really make it clear enough 🤣 I agree with a lot of what you said but I dont think it has anything to do with his contract/him trying to hard.  He just historically hasn't been good at the looks the defenses the first two weeks have been able to throw at us personell wise but really nobody is.  Miamis defense is really not a great matchup for us but Brian Flores has put together laughable game plans up until Sunday that played right into Josh's strengths. We really could be seeing a better josh allen than last year he normally absolutely melts down in games like that like the chiefs game and the titans game last season

Ahhhh, my fault for misunderstanding my friend. My apologies. 

[machine gun kelly]

1 hour ago, rayray808 said:

Please don't share this outside of this chat... but my cousin did a deep dive on all of this and said Josh Allen will be just fine

Did you’re cousins, brother from another mother, uncle “sit in the high level meetings.😇

 

Liked the sarcasm.

[3rdand12]

2 hours ago, Augie said:

 

I think if he doesn’t have a 75% completion percentage in the first quarter with a QB rating over 100 we should pull him! I mean, why wait? It’s obvious that he was just a flash in the pan who lost in the AFCCG last year. What a LOSER! A couple drives in the first quarter should seal his fate!   

Is Nathan Peterman still available ?

 

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[3rdand12]

1 hour ago, r00tabaga said:

I feel like that was an appropriately long distraction from this thread. Did not steal it and no apologies needed.

As a matter of fact I thought it tied the room together nice 😂

I am delighted we can discuss multiple perspectives and viewpoints
Like i mentioned, very nice effort 😃
 and anything from Norm still brings a smile. regardless of topic at hand.

 

BTW who is behind the Trubisky Kid ? just in case this gets ugly early in the game.

 

57 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

You sound like an intelligent person. Surely a QB throughout a game can make several great throws and reads. That isn't indicative of the QB having a good game. It's not all or none.  It's pretty basic and I'm sure you can comprehend that. Your post just sounds like your trying to get into a war of words with me. I'm not interested in that. Let's move on...No hard feelings here. 

quitter

 

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[newcam2012]

58 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

I am delighted we can discuss multiple perspectives and viewpoints
Like i mentioned, very nice effort 😃
 and anything from Norm still brings a smile. regardless of topic at hand.

 

BTW who is behind the Trubisky Kid ? just in case this gets ugly early in the game.

 

quitter

 

🙄

Thank you.