MJS Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 10 minutes ago, Draconator said: Just curious. Are you an NFL coach? I know where this is going. Are you saying that NFL coaches don't complain to the refs even when it's clear that the refs made the right call? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, MJS said: I know where this is going. Are you saying that NFL coaches don't complain to the refs even when it's clear that the refs made the right call? [OJ to Howard] You have a firm grip on the obvious [/OJ to Howard] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Clear penalty based on the rules but I don’t think it was dirty hit. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 and they're talking like old friends by the end of the play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, billieve420 said: Clear penalty based on the rules but I don’t think it was dirty hit. I agree. He did not lower his head and lead with the crown of his helmet. But you can’t hit a QB helmet to helmet these days. Automatic flag. No one on here wants to see Allen take shots like that. Edited August 21, 2021 by BarleyNY 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 54 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: I want to see that hit on Brady 10 out of 10 times... #1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Ralonzo said: #1 I just wonder how that little B word got up!!🧐 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Wait until Allen gets hit like that and we will see this board go nuts 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 4 hours ago, HOUSE said: Welcome to the NFL, rookie. 2 hours ago, Augie said: Do you REALLY think that would not get a flag every time, or do you just wish it wouldn’t get a flag? I got some news for you, that will get a flag 10 out of 10 times. Refs don’t care about the chin strap. They are taught to protect the QB at all costs. Every. Single. Time. I don’t think it was intentional, and I enjoyed watching it (especially in a blowout preseason game), but I do NOT want to see that hit in a close playoff game. Have to play hard AND smart. Agreed. Reverse the roles and this board will light up on fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 It was an easy flag, as that is the type of hit that the nfl is trying to get rid of. But, he was fine. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: It was an easy flag, as that is the type of hit that the nfl is trying to get rid of. But, he was fine. I think the helmet popping off made a lot of people overreact. 3 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Andre Smith popped Fields cherry. Fields will soon not forget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SECRET SQUIRREL Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 2 hours ago, billsherd said: Wtf does that even mean? 🤣 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, PatsFanNH said: I’ve watched that video 5 times and Fields never even saw him coming! He never lowered his head and the hit was high and reckless. That get you suspended in the regular season. That would not result in a suspension in the regular season. You can see Smith bending his head away from Fields' helmet, yet it's not enough and he makes helmet to facemask contact. According to modern rules he was appropriately flagged for it, but that would not get a suspension. Also, I don't know if I've seen a helmet that loose since...who was it? McNabb? Edited August 22, 2021 by NickelCity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 6 hours ago, NickelCity said: That would not result in a suspension in the regular season. You can see Smith bending his head away from Fields' helmet, yet it's not enough and he makes helmet to facemask contact. According to modern rules he was appropriately flagged for it, but that would not get a suspension. Also, I don't know if I've seen a helmet that loose since...who was it? McNabb? I agree about how lose the helmet was on. That flew right off. I see Smith bending his head but it’s towards fields not away. (Obviously IMO). Mind you if that had been Allen receiving the exact same hit I dare say 90% on this board would be calling for a huge suspension of whoever did the hit. Now I don’t think he meant to light him up like that (helmet to helmet) and if I was a Bears fan I’d be just as angry at the lack of O line protection. (I don’t think anyone touched The Bills guy on the way in) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunTheBall Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Spare me the sanctimonious BS, I absolutely loved that hit and the best part about it was Fields’ head band going flying off too. It was an absolute yard sale on the field haha. It’s preseason and means nothing so give me a break. If Josh got hit like that I’d say next time switch the protection so you don’t get whacked by a free rusher. It wasn’t dirty, it deserved a flag in today’s NFL. That’s it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 9 hours ago, SECRET SQUIRREL said: Wtf does that even mean? 🤣 He doesn't want no conflict or "beef". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 On 8/21/2021 at 7:55 PM, Sherlock Holmes said: I just wonder how that little B word got up!!🧐 Fields said the hit itself didn’t hurt. The helmet hitting him in the eye did, though. He took accountability for the hit, as he should have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 On 8/22/2021 at 9:59 AM, PatsFanNH said: I agree about how lose the helmet was on. That flew right off. I see Smith bending his head but it’s towards fields not away. (Obviously IMO). Mind you if that had been Allen receiving the exact same hit I dare say 90% on this board would be calling for a huge suspension of whoever did the hit. Now I don’t think he meant to light him up like that (helmet to helmet) and if I was a Bears fan I’d be just as angry at the lack of O line protection. (I don’t think anyone touched The Bills guy on the way in) The helmet was fastened correctly, according to fields. It was the particular angle of the hit that made it pop off, he said. The hit wasn’t so much on the OL as it was on Fields. The OL did shift protection to the left side which was incorrect as the Bills were overloaded to the right side. Not sure if that was on the Center, but ultimately it is Fields who needs to see that pre-snap, read the blitz, and take the hot read to the RB in the flat on the right side. He instead wanted to wait on Ridley making the double move on the left and that was the wrong decision with the unblocked pass rusher coming from the right. A vet QB makes that read. Fields said after the game that he was aware of the mistake and it was a learning moment. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 On 8/21/2021 at 3:59 PM, GoBills808 said: Jonathon Jones hit on Allen was probably clean too right One of the more idiotic and pathetic comebacks I have ever read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: One of the more idiotic and pathetic comebacks I have ever read. We aim to please 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 That hit was dirty. He launched. He led with his helmet. He hit him in the face with his helmet. It was an absolutely filthy play and totally unnecessary - ESPECIALLY in a meaningless game. 1 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 (edited) On 8/21/2021 at 8:01 PM, Ethan in Portland said: Wait until Allen gets hit like that and we will see this board go nuts He was hit like that (worse imo) in game 1 by NYJ DE Bashem. The camera did not catch it too well and Josh completed the pass to Knox so it was not such a big deal, game effect wise. Josh had the ball out well before the hit. Edited August 23, 2021 by JESSEFEFFER 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 45 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Fields said the hit itself didn’t hurt. The helmet hitting him in the eye did, though. He took accountability for the hit, as he should have. No hate for Fields... I was referring to Brady. Glad to hear Fields took accountability, maybe he can pay the fine then 28 minutes ago, Gugny said: That hit was dirty. He launched. He led with his helmet. He hit him in the face with his helmet. It was an absolutely filthy play and totally unnecessary - ESPECIALLY in a meaningless game. Time to get your eye prescription adjusted Gugs... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 24 minutes ago, Gugny said: That hit was dirty. He launched. He led with his helmet. He hit him in the face with his helmet. It was an absolutely filthy play and totally unnecessary - ESPECIALLY in a meaningless game. Funny how people can see the same play but see it differently. Smith's right foot was in the turf and his face mask struck Fields"shoulder. Thus, not lanched and not hitting him in the face with his helmet. Notice Fields still looking at the defense at the moment of impact. But, get used to these calls. There will be way more of them with an improved pass rush. Just a violent, legal hit often looks like a penalty. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said: Funny how people can see the same play but see it differently. Smith's right foot was in the turf and his face mask struck Fields"shoulder. Thus, not lanched and not hitting him in the face with his helmet. Notice Fields still looking at the defense at the moment of impact. But, get used to these calls. There will be way more of them with an improved pass rush. Just a violent, legal hit often looks like a penalty. If you play/pause one more time, you'll see both feet off of the turf. This is a textbook picture of launching and leading with one's helmet - as well as hitting the opponent head-to-head. The call was correct. The league has been very actively trying to remove this exact type of hit from the game for years. It was a good call on a dirty hit. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 On 8/21/2021 at 5:09 PM, Cheektowaga Chad said: It was a penalty but it wasn't dirty or cheap Bingo, end of story. End the thread here. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Gugny said: If you play/pause one more time, you'll see both feet off of the turf. This is a textbook picture of launching and leading with one's helmet - as well as hitting the opponent head-to-head. The call was correct. The league has been very actively trying to remove this exact type of hit from the game for years. It was a good call on a dirty hit. A launch would have both feet off the ground before impact and the legs parallel. This is running through the tackle. You do realize that it is normal for any runner to have both feet off the ground during their stride? Edited August 23, 2021 by JESSEFEFFER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said: A launch would have both feet off the ground before impact and the legs parallel. This is running through the tackle. You do realize that it is normal for any runner to have both feet off the ground. Prohibited contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture is: ... It is an illegal launch if a player (i) leaves both feet prior to contact to spring forward and upward into his opponent, and (ii) uses any part of his helmet to initiate forcible contact against any part of his opponent's body. Looking at the picture, I'll stand by my original assessment that this is textbook launching. Edited August 23, 2021 by Gugny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 On 8/21/2021 at 4:09 PM, Cheektowaga Chad said: It was a penalty but it wasn't dirty or cheap Would Smith get tossed for targeting if the NFL had college rules? I don't think he would have Agreed. That hit will draw a flag 11/10 times in this league but it was not targeting. You cannot go high on the QB. Smith needs to lower the target to somewhere around the waist. But not too low. You cannot go low on the QB either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Thanks for the quote. .................leaves both feet prior to contact.............The side of Smith's helmet did hit Smith's facemask after the initial impact. Yes, penalty. Launch no. Dirty no. But, different opinions make for a more interesting discussion. 1 minute ago, Jauronimo said: Agreed. That hit will draw a flag 11/10 times in this league but it was not targeting. You cannot go high on the QB. Smith needs to lower the target to somewhere around the waist. But not too low. You cannot go low on the QB either. It happens often enough where the hit will be waist high and the impact and/or QBs' own movement will drive him backwards and the defender slides down toward the QB's knee area by the time they land. Penalty. Get used to them. We will see a bunch of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 9 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said: But, different opinions make for a more interesting discussion. This is boring! When I call you a moron, then you call me an a-hole and we eventually agree to fight at the home opener ... THEN it's an interesting discussion! 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Gugny said: This is boring! When I call you a moron, then you call me an a-hole and we eventually agree to fight at the home opener ... THEN it's an interesting discussion! LOL. Ok. Maybe when the gout clears out of my feet. I posted this back thread but here is Bashem launching into Josh's helmet after the ball was out. Camera work is fuzzy, but this was a launch. Feet off the ground, legs parallel like Eddie the Eagle ski jumping. Near as I could tell there was not a fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 12 minutes ago, Gugny said: This is boring! When I call you a moron, then you call me an a-hole and we eventually agree to fight at the home opener ... THEN it's an interesting discussion! Make sure you bring Grimace with you to throw a beer in his face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 On 8/21/2021 at 10:33 PM, Warcodered said: I think the helmet popping off made a lot of people overreact. I think the unproperly fastened helmet popping off made a lot of people overreact. 5 hours ago, Gugny said: This is boring! When I call you a moron, then you call me an a-hole and we eventually agree to fight at the home opener ... THEN it's an interesting discussion! Cage fights would be an interesting alternate to PSLs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Limeaid said: I think the unproperly fastened helmet popping off made a lot of people overreact. And he didn't fix it after that either. That seems to be an issue the league needs to fix in the name of player safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Just now, That's No Moon said: And he didn't fix it after that either. That seems to be an issue the league needs to fix in the name of player safety. Well maybe it will get fixed by the game for that QB. Fixed like for a dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Just now, Limeaid said: Well maybe it will get fixed by the game for that QB. Fixed like for a dog. I'm willing to bet he's worn his chin strap that way for a long time but I'm too lazy to look up OSU clips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: I'm willing to bet he's worn his chin strap that way for a long time but I'm too lazy to look up OSU clips. I have seen discussions about how it is better to wear it that way so when helmet is hit it absorbs the energy rather than player. Like argument it is better to not have seat belt on so you are thrown free of crash. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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