Cole Beasley announces he will not be following Covid protocols, willing to retire

[HappyDays]

4 hours ago, H2o said:

Again, if you believe the vax keeps you from getting or spreading Covid, and you have been vaccinated, then what does it matter if he's not?

 

See there's this weird double talk thing going on with the anti-vax crowd. On one side it's "the covid vaccine isn't 100% preventive so it's pointless to get;" on the other side it's "if you trust the vaccine why do you care if I'm vaccinated or not?" The two points answer each other. I care if you get the vaccine because some people that get the vaccine will still be susceptible to getting covid, and the more people that are vaccinated the less likely it is that the virus will continue to spread.

[LabattBlue]

Getting the vaccine is his choice and either way, still allows him to be employed by the Bills.  Not following unvaccinated protocol as a requirement of his employer is also his choice...as in do as your employer says, or you are fired. 

[Logic]

13 minutes ago, ChasBB said:

Yeah, he's just a selfish punk - playing on a broken leg down the final stretch of the season and laying it all out for his teammates - how incredibly selfish of him.

 

There's this thing called The Bill of Rights - maybe some of you need to re-read it.

Read Pennstate's post two spots above yours.

Bills of Rights? Sheesh.

[OrtonHearsaWho]

5 hours ago, Little Dog said:

The only hammer and sickle is take the the shot or lose your job 

 

That's pretty much the exact opposite of communism, but okay.

15 minutes ago, ChasBB said:

Yeah, he's just a selfish punk - playing on a broken leg down the final stretch of the season and laying it all out for his teammates - how incredibly selfish of him.

 

There's this thing called The Bill of Rights - maybe some of you need to re-read it.

 

Can you clarify which part of the Bill of Rights applies here?

[ColoradoBills]

29 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

My guess is there is a lot less hand-wringing about this going on at 1 Bills Dr than on this board...

 

My hope is that they will not be put into any tough situations.

 

My concern (I will state this again) is IF Cole does not follow the NFL/NFLPA agreed upon protocols what will be the result?

 

Roger Goodell is not going to be the enforcer.  That is going to be "delegated" to the individual teams.

Beane, McDermott and the coaches will have to handle any "violations".

 

IF fines and other punishments are handed out it will create tensions on the team in the minds of some players agreeing with Cole.

IF they look the other way they lose authority and the respect of other players who may not of got the vaccine but did it for the team.

The media will add it's IF's and a lot of other situations could arise.

 

I once again HOPE none of this will happen but I can see consequences in Cole's actions.

I don't envy Bills Management for what they might face.

[krf139]

A few months ago, this board was talking about how badly we needed Cole for the playoffs. He toughed it out and proved who he is. Now people are saying to just cut him. Fascinating 

[Process]

29 minutes ago, ChasBB said:

Yeah, he's just a selfish punk - playing on a broken leg down the final stretch of the season and laying it all out for his teammates - how incredibly selfish of him.

 

There's this thing called The Bill of Rights - maybe some of you need to re-read it.

The Bill of Rights 😄

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said:

So CP3 got vaccinated and now will miss on a chance to change his legacy because he has Corona.     Woof. 

Kinda makes you understand why some folks like Cole aren’t interested in getting it. 

 

 

You do understand that logically, that doesn't follow?

 

Try applying that logic to another situation. 

 

Let's say seatbelts. 

 

"So TeddyKGB wore his seatbelt and was injured in an automobile accident.  Kind of makes you understand why some folks aren't interested in wearing them"

 

Whatchoo think of that logic?

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said:

So CP3 got vaccinated and now will miss on a chance to change his legacy because he has Corona.     Woof. 

Kinda makes you understand why some folks like Cole aren’t interested in getting it. 

 

 

The Vaccine does NOT prevent you from getting the virus.  It mitigates the damage on it.  You can NOT eradicate a virus.  Influenza killed like 50 million people...we still have the flu, just a very small percentage of people still die from it compared to before we had vaccine and herd immunity to it.  

 

I dont understand why this is so hard for some people to understand.  

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Just imagine a playoff game where we don’t have Allen or Diggs because they tested positive.

 

There would be a lot of suicide watch on TSW lol

[Capco]

10 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

Hey Capco,

 

I can't think of anything more personal than what you allow someone else to put into your body.

 

Cole Beasley should have no say in what you choose to put in your body and you should have a say in what Cole puts in his.  Ultimately, that how I see it.

 

I think one of the biggest disconnects we are seeing with regards to this pandemic is the act of boiling down everyone to an individual and comparing one individual to another.

 

But that's not the correct framework.  Instead, the balancing act is between the individual and the group, and the group will always outweigh the individual when it comes to public health concerns like vaccination.  

 

This isn't the case of one person requesting another to take a vaccine.  This is a case of society as a whole requesting its individual members to step up to the plate for the betterment of society itself.  

 

10 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

I agree with you that vaccinations are a public health issue, but I don't believe that a public health concern trumps your right as an individual to say what happens to your body. 

 

The state has the power to compel vaccination.  Public health concerns absolutely trump individual rights in cases like these.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

34 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

My hope is that they will not be put into any tough situations.

 

My concern (I will state this again) is IF Cole does not follow the NFL/NFLPA agreed upon protocols what will be the result?

 

Roger Goodell is not going to be the enforcer.  That is going to be "delegated" to the individual teams.

Beane, McDermott and the coaches will have to handle any "violations".

 

IF fines and other punishments are handed out it will create tensions on the team in the minds of some players agreeing with Cole.

IF they look the other way they lose authority and the respect of other players who may not of got the vaccine but did it for the team.

The media will add it's IF's and a lot of other situations could arise.

 

I once again HOPE none of this will happen but I can see consequences in Cole's actions.

I don't envy Bills Management for what they might face.

 

Not just that, but if there's a substantial % of unvaccinated players (I would bet on it), if the Bills coaches and FO look the other way for one unvaccinated player who is a veteran and has the respect of the team, why wouldn't other players follow suit and do likewise?

 

That could potentially lead to a covid-19 outbreak on the team, losing availability of a bunch of key players for key games, and potentially fines and punishment of the Bills by the NFL.

[transplantbillsfan]

4 hours ago, Dopey said:

It should be none of our business.

 

He's making this everyone's business with long rants and responses to his followers, unfortunately.

[YoloinOhio]

37 minutes ago, Logic said:

That wall looks vaccinated 

[billsfan89]

12 hours ago, cantankerous said:

Comparing CB to Westboro Church? Lol @ you. What a dolt. I can’t believe some people. 

Literally said in the post that I am not comparing the two rather just stating that standing by bad principles doesn’t add any value to them. Do people even read the posts they comment on?

[Capco]

Just now, billsfan89 said:

Literally said in the post that I am not comparing the two rather just stating that standing by bad principles doesn’t add any value to them. Do people even read the posts they comment on?

 

Apparently Cantankerous is known for Scrooge McDuck diving into conversations without reading anything.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

10 hours ago, Pabstblueribbon said:

Sure! 

 

#1: its been well documented that in our state (NY), the Supreme Leader (the governor) defied all common sense and reason by ordering nursing homes to take in patients that were tested and confirmed positive for Covid-19. I bring this up because its an example of a case in which 99.9% of objective people would look at this and say "that's dumb". Similarly to the current state of affairs in which you have a governing body making idiotic decrees that defy all common sense with respect to a group of people whos job is to smash themselves up

 

#2. "

Per the memo, any player who is not fully vaccinated will continue to be subject to:

Daily testing, mask wearing (including in the team facility) and physical distancing

A quarantine if he has a high-risk exposure to someone with COVID-19

Significant restrictions when traveling, including required isolation in the team hotel and relegation to a separate team plane" .

 

Am I misinterpreting what "required isolation in the team hotel" means?

 

#1 I'm still not following your argument here.  I agree: the NYS DPH (or DOH, whatevs) decision to send covid-19 positive patients back to nursing homes regardless of the home's isolation and infection control abilities was a Bad Decision, and it cost lives.

 

Why does a bad decision made by a government group, have any bearing on the policies of a different group (NFL medical advisors, NFL/NFLPA committee that worked this problem)?

 

The NFL did a GREAT job of containing Covid infections in the NFL last year, changing protocols during the season in reaction to actual observed patterns of spread and to community infections.  With regard to Covid-19, the NFL was one of the safest places to be.  That seems to me to argue that unlike the NYS decision on the nursing homes, the NFL medical advisors know WTF they are doing.

 

In a nutshell: why does one organization's bad decision logically make a different organization's protocols "idiotic", in the face of demonstrated competence?  That seems to me like the "non sequitor", "does not follow".

 

(We're not doing "Supreme Leader" and make this political here - free pass because I asked you to explain but don't push it, please.)

 

#2 your statement was "lock themselves in their room alone".  The actual restriction seems to be:

So the player is free to leave his room and interact with others in the team traveling party, looks like to me.

 

[RaoulDuke79]

9 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

He's making this everyone's business with long rants and responses to his followers, unfortunately.

Isn't social media awesome. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Pokebball said:

why can't a player fight for what they believe to be better or more appropriate protocols?

 

IMO, they can and should.  I'm not persuaded starting a twitter controversy and calling the NFLPA a "joke" is a very effective means to this end; it seems to me more like emotional venting, which in many people turns out to be a substitute for actually trying to do something effective.

 

But I'd actually be quite happy if you could explain to me some examples of effecting change via twitter controversy that show why I'm mistaken.

 

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Isn't social media awesome. 

The biggest thing is he should have just done this all privately. Reach out to the nflpa to air his grievances.  If you don’t get the vaccine, ok, no need to tweet about it. He says last year he wasn’t going to do Twitter anymore after cowboys fans were all over him for signing here. He needs to take his own advice. It’s a toxic environment for these types of topics. 

[ColoradoBills]

17 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Not just that, but if there's a substantial % of unvaccinated players (I would bet on it), if the Bills coaches and FO look the other way for one unvaccinated player who is a veteran and has the respect of the team, why wouldn't other players follow suit and do likewise?

 

That could potentially lead to a covid-19 outbreak on the team, losing availability of a bunch of key layers for key games, and potentially fines and punishment of the Bills by the NFL.

 

Yes.  The potential for it snowballing is as varied as the personalities and individual situations in OBD.

Like I said, I hope is blows over and/or Cole realizes what his actions could produce for the team.

There is a month for all this to change before camp starts.

[Reader]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

The biggest thing is he should have just done this all privately. Reach out to the nflpa to air his grievances.  If you don’t get the vaccine, ok, no need to tweet about it. He says last year he wasn’t going to do Twitter anymore after cowboys fans were all over him for signing here. He needs to take his own advice. It’s a toxic environment for these types of topics. 

 

And lost in the shuffle of the "It's his right" posters who somehow ignore the 50+ posts clarifying what others are upset with Cole about is the fact that most of us agree with your point and consider that the main problem here.

[Capco]

22 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

You can NOT eradicate a virus.

 

Good post but just a quick aside, you can actually eradicate a virus.  It's been done, albeit only twice.  

 

Smallpox was declared eradicated in 1980, and rinderpest was declared eradicated in 2011.  

[Process]

5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

The biggest thing is he should have just done this all privately. Reach out to the nflpa to air his grievances.  If you don’t get the vaccine, ok, no need to tweet about it. He says last year he wasn’t going to do Twitter anymore after cowboys fans were all over him for signing here. He needs to take his own advice. It’s a toxic environment for these types of topics. 

Cole really should listen to this guy. 

 

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, Pokebball said:

While I generally agree with this, I can also acknowledge that we don't yet know all of the long-term effects of taking the vaccine, if there even is any.  To a young, healthy, adult the risk of Covid having any serious effect is very low. 

 

It isn't an entirely novel vaccine concept, it is using the same basic idea as other vaccines we've used for decades that we know to have no long term negative effects. Like any other vaccine it is just training the body to snuff out viral proteins before they become real infections. I don't see any reason that the covid vaccine would have long term negative consequences when other similar vaccines do not.

[T master]

Ever since this virus hit they have done everything backwards didn't tell any one to boost your immune system with vitamins and told every one that medicines that have worked for years couldn't be used to help when the virus was detected early on .

 

Then kept those from getting meds when real front line Dr's knew different. Quarantining the healthy and use masks that did virtually nothing to help & in most cases & helped to make some healthy people more vulnerable and put those that were more appt to get it in with those that had it to put them in jeopardy .

 

I have personally known 2 people that were told they had it only to find out they were BS'd to so the hospital could collect a ton of cash and 1 if put in the covid floor could have died because it would have complicated what was already ailing him but thanks to a head nurse he was released ! 

 

The vaccine does not stop you from getting or spreading the virus it just helps to keep you from dying from it and if you are healthy you really need not worry add to that if others get vaccinated & your healthy and don't have it then what is there to fear but the fear they have interjected into all of this !

 

GO BEASE !! Stand up for your and others rights i'm with you don't let the scare tactics get you someone has to make a stand against the BS i just hope those that should truly have his back do !! 

[Bill Lewes]

17 hours ago, Fred Slacks said:

Someone else misspoke by saying the majority of Americans are vaccinated. Maybe the majority of players are. But Americans aren’t getting vaccinated. That’s why the government is bribing us to get vaccinated to get to the threshold they think is safe. They are offering free beer, donuts, and in California are even doing a cash lottery.   
 

the reality is the dynamic is changing rapidly now. The next couple months I think will change as well. There’s a pot of people who don’t want to be told what to do. Unfortunately there’s no way to have this conversation without it getting political. I do believe there’s a lot of players that lean to not being vaccinated. I mean these guys are regulated on what hey are allowed to consume as a multi vitamin. Now they’re being told they need to take a vaccine which still hasn’t been FDA approved. So I can see there position. 
 

it’s just unprecedented what has occurred and what will be the outcome of how we as a world reacted. It will be interesting to see how things go though. I mean lots of states are opening up completely now. So I wonder how the dynamic come season beginning changes if at all. This whole thing may be moot come September. Not saying it will but the last year he moved along slow and these last couple months have swung significantly in a different direction. So at least I remain hopeful that the politics are gone and this continues to progress positively. 
 

they won’t cut Cole until they absolutely have to. Cap hit will probably play into it as well. 

the govt. isn't in the beer and donuts businesses
saying the vaccine isn't FDA approved isn't accurate

 

[Solomon Grundy]

Cole can always retire from football and become a rapper😎

[Bill Lewes]

21 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Yes.  The potential for it snowballing is as varied as the personalities and individual situations in OBD.

Like I said, I hope is blows over and/or Cole realizes what his actions could produce for the team.

There is a month for all this to change before camp starts.

And CB has set himself up to be the fall guy if/when anything goes south.  He would have been sooo much better off (we all would have been), if he could have stayed away from publicly making a stand on a topic that the team agreed to keep in house

 

[ProcessAccepted]

22 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I don’t agree that he should be cut but I also don’t think Beane CAN cut him due to the issues he had with his interview awhile back about whether he would cut an unvaccinated player. That would be a much bigger PR nightmare than whatever Beasley is doing on his own.

Any players can be cut for any reason. I'm a Beasley fan so I think that someone should hold an intervention. He's trashing his brand howling into the wind. People can believe what they want to believe but being so out spoken isn't helping anyone. It's becoming harder for him to strike a compromise with the team/league. 

[BuffaloBob]

22 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I don’t agree that he should be cut but I also don’t think Beane CAN cut him due to the issues he had with his interview awhile back about whether he would cut an unvaccinated player. That would be a much bigger PR nightmare than whatever Beasley is doing on his own.

He is making himself unavailable to the team by his actions, AND, he is endangering the availability of others by ignoring the protocols designed to protect others on the team, both vaccinated and unvaccinated.  He would not be cutting him for being unvaccinated.  He is a detriment to the team and its ability function.

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, Bill Lewes said:

And CB has set himself up to be the fall guy if/when anything goes south.  He would have been sooo much better off (we all would have been), if he could have stayed away from publicly making a stand on a topic that the team agreed to keep in house

 

 

Yes.  He now puts team leaders like Josh in a tough position.  You know that the national media will be all over this when camp starts.

Cole can fix this and he should.  He let his emotions get the better of him (we all have done this in our lives) but it's now up to him as

to where it ends up.

[Coach Tuesday]

21 minutes ago, T master said:

Ever since this virus hit they have done everything backwards didn't tell any one to boost your immune system with vitamins and told every one that medicines that have worked for years couldn't be used to help when the virus was detected early on .

 

Then kept those from getting meds when real front line Dr's knew different. Quarantining the healthy and use masks that did virtually nothing to help & in most cases & helped to make some healthy people more vulnerable and put those that were more appt to get it in with those that had it to put them in jeopardy .

 

I have personally known 2 people that were told they had it only to find out they were BS'd to so the hospital could collect a ton of cash and 1 if put in the covid floor could have died because it would have complicated what was already ailing him but thanks to a head nurse he was released ! 

 

The vaccine does not stop you from getting or spreading the virus it just helps to keep you from dying from it and if you are healthy you really need not worry add to that if others get vaccinated & your healthy and don't have it then what is there to fear but the fear they have interjected into all of this !

 

GO BEASE !! Stand up for your and others rights i'm with you don't let the scare tactics get you someone has to make a stand against the BS i just hope those that should truly have his back do !! 

There it is.  All of the misinformation and wrong-headedness condensed into a single post.  Pretty impressive honestly.

Edited June 19, 2021 by Coach Tuesday

[Pokebball]

36 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

IMO, they can and should.  I'm not persuaded starting a twitter controversy and calling the NFLPA a "joke" is a very effective means to this end; it seems to me more like emotional venting, which in many people turns out to be a substitute for actually trying to do something effective.

 

But I'd actually be quite happy if you could explain to me some examples of effecting change via twitter controversy that show why I'm mistaken.

 

Never addressed the efficacy of social media. But many a celebrity sure seem to use it.

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

dgas what he chooses to do with his body 

 

What if he chooses to take a steroid banned by the NFL? What if he chooses to smoke marijuana? Would you care then?

[Process]

25 minutes ago, T master said:

Ever since this virus hit they have done everything backwards didn't tell any one to boost your immune system with vitamins and told every one that medicines that have worked for years couldn't be used to help when the virus was detected early on .

 

Then kept those from getting meds when real front line Dr's knew different. Quarantining the healthy and use masks that did virtually nothing to help & in most cases & helped to make some healthy people more vulnerable and put those that were more appt to get it in with those that had it to put them in jeopardy .

 

I have personally known 2 people that were told they had it only to find out they were BS'd to so the hospital could collect a ton of cash and 1 if put in the covid floor could have died because it would have complicated what was already ailing him but thanks to a head nurse he was released ! 

 

The vaccine does not stop you from getting or spreading the virus it just helps to keep you from dying from it and if you are healthy you really need not worry add to that if others get vaccinated & your healthy and don't have it then what is there to fear but the fear they have interjected into all of this !

 

GO BEASE !! Stand up for your and others rights i'm with you don't let the scare tactics get you someone has to make a stand against the BS i just hope those that should truly have his back do !! 

This is a terrific post full of factual and insightful information. You've clearly done your research and are well educated on the topic. I now see exactly where Cole is coming from, thank you.

[nbbillsfan]

Do I completely disagree with his position, no. I’m fairly open minded on the topic. 

 

The issue is that he does not defend his position in a particularly intelligent or logical fashion. IMO he is a poor voice for the conversation, because he is ill-informed, misinformed, and blinded by ideology. This is an unfortunate pattern in many anti-vax or anti-COVID-vax people, which makes an intelligent and objective dialogue about the subject impossible.

 

Note: I have not gotten a vaccine yet, so I am not a judgmental liberal with zero tolerance for alternative perspectives. 

[Fred Slacks]

18 minutes ago, Bill Lewes said:

the govt. isn't in the beer and donuts businesses
saying the vaccine isn't FDA approved isn't accurate

 

The vaccine is not FDA approved. That’s a fact. Doesn’t necessarily mean it’s dangerous. Just means it hasn’t done through all the required testing to meet FDA requirements. Some of those are probably based on time which this vaccine has yet to run the course. I’m sure it will be FDA approved eventually. Not that the FDA is a perfect measuring system in safety but at least it’s a standard to go off of. 

[Capco]

Friendly reminder:  please refrain from injecting political discourse into this discussion.  It makes life easier on the moderators.  

[WotAGuy]

31 minutes ago, Bill Lewes said:

the govt. isn't in the beer and donuts businesses
saying the vaccine isn't FDA approved isn't accurate

 

Some states are in the ganja business. https://www.forbes.com/sites/ajherrington/2021/05/07/free-marijuana-for-covid-19-vaccines-proves-to-be-a-popular-perk/

Edited June 19, 2021 by WotAGuy

[Sherlock Holmes]

22 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Yes.  He now puts team leaders like Josh in a tough position.  You know that the national media will be all over this when camp starts.

Cole can fix this and he should.  He let his emotions get the better of him (we all have done this in our lives) but it's now up to him as

to where it ends up.

It ends up with him as ***** Super Bowl Champion and possible MVP