A Lot of Bills stars Were at OTA's But 1 Star Was Not .

[T master]

I read a piece today on those that didn't show up for voluntary OTA's and i realize it is "Voluntary" and in some instances i get it once the team activities start these guys have to spend time away from their family and get at the grind of the season, some are healing from off season surgeries or just clearing their heads getting ready for the season .

 

But I'm wondering about those like the Bills Star L. that has had a entire year off why wouldn't he be back just to get back in a flow ? In some small way it makes me question his motivation .

 

I also wonder did those that opted out last season still get paid ? I believe there must have been some compensation ( but making the cash they do we all could take a yr off & it wouldn't hurt the old checking acct.) wasn't their cap hit moved to this year and what were some of the other things with opting out i'm definitely not p on all that stuff .

 

But after sitting all last season watching the Bills Kick A** & take names being AFC east champs but not participating i for one would think that Star would be chomping at the bit to get back with the team but actions speak louder than words !!

 

I could see Diggs taking some time he played injured towards the end of the season and i in no way do i doubt he will be ready & all in when he is fully recovered from the surgery he had this off season so i will give him a pass along with Hughes and some others but just from the outside looking in i would think Star would be one that would want to get back with his mates to play some ball again .

[DJB]

We just need Star to be the fat guy in the middle of the dline. 

 

I'm good if he comes in a little heavy. 

[Patrick Duffy]

Yes, I believe there was a thread about this earlier that said ,"cut his fat ass" .

[SoCal Deek]

You beat me to it. I’ll believe it when I see him but I don’t have much stock in him returning this year. We’ve all experienced it this past year. You’re either of the mindset to get back to work/school/normal or not. 

[machine gun kelly]

13 minutes ago, T master said:

I read a piece today on those that didn't show up for voluntary OTA's and i realize it is "Voluntary" and in some instances i get it once the team activities start these guys have to spend time away from their family and get at the grind of the season, some are healing from off season surgeries or just clearing their heads getting ready for the season .

 

But I'm wondering about those like the Bills Star L. that has had a entire year off why wouldn't he be back just to get back in a flow ? In some small way it makes me question his motivation .

 

I also wonder did those that opted out last season still get paid ? I believe there must have been some compensation ( but making the cash they do we all could take a yr off & it wouldn't hurt the old checking acct.) wasn't their cap hit moved to this year and what were some of the other things with opting out i'm definitely not p on all that stuff .

 

But after sitting all last season watching the Bills Kick A** & take names being AFC east champs but not participating i for one would think that Star would be chomping at the bit to get back with the team but actions speak louder than words !!

 

I could see Diggs taking some time he played injured towards the end of the season and i in no way do i doubt he will be ready & all in when he is fully recovered from the surgery he had this off season so i will give him a pass along with Hughes and some others but just from the outside looking in i would think Star would be one that would want to get back with his mates to play some ball again .

T- are you serious?  This was discuss d hundreds of times and yes he was

paid $350k as he had a medical reason with the cardiac issue.  Others get $150k, and comes off Their contract.

[BADOLBILZ]

 

Quick.......get your Star barbs in before Hapless sees this! 

[TBBills]

Even if he showed up people here would hate... 

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Even if he showed up people here would hate... 

 

“He should have showed up a week earlier!” 

[T master]

9 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

T- are you serious?  This was discuss d hundreds of times and yes he was

paid $350k as he had a medical reason with the cardiac issue.  Others get $150k, and comes off Their contract.

 

 

I am i can't remember where i S**T last sorry but i must have been distracted or just not read much on it & if i did that was a long time ago to me .

 

They say the mind is a terrible thing to waste and i've done my share so please excuse me if you would .

[machine gun kelly]

No worries.  I actually thought you were being sarcastic.  If you really didn’t know, no problem.  If it helps I’m a little concerned he didn’t show.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

I think Star is a situational player during obvious running situations.

 

Harrison Phillips might be the true key cog of the DL. Him and Oliver could be a force if he’s fully recovered from 2 knee surgeries. 

[uninja]

I love how Star has literally done nothing this year so far and he's already the whipping post on this board. Man just can't catch a break 🤣

[BillsDude]

Lets look at this positively. One Bills Drive is watching and listening! Their minds must be thinking, "Oh, ok. WE will remember that. Let's now get those that showed up some playing time. They seem to buy in and be humble and hungry." But, maybe that's the problem with Star, he is so hungry that he eats too much, and so humble that he is embarrassed at showing up and acting like a star, when he knows he is dimming out there. 

[Boxcar]

What's the point in calling something voluntary if you don't consider it to be voluntary.

[BADOLBILZ]

17 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

T- are you serious?  This was discuss d hundreds of times and yes he was

paid $350k as he had a medical reason with the cardiac issue.  Others get $150k, and comes off Their contract.

 

 

"cardiac issue" is a pretty broad definition.   I think virtually every older OL and interior DL player has underlying medical conditions.    Almost all of them played thru them.  

 

I'm not saying that Star isn't one cheeseburger away from a heart attack but having his salary fully guaranteed whether he played or not AND then getting an extra free $350K to stay home would financially motivate A LOT of older players that have just been forced to take a pay cut to stay home.    The writing was on the wall.   This was probably his last NFL paycheck.

 

Also, fwiw I really don't think him not being here for volunataries is a sign of anything.    I suspect he will suck or not play for the Bills at all this season,  but 10 year vets often don't show for these things.   He has the least complex job on the entire defense and this isn't a new install...........even if he didn't suck he wouldn't need to be at this OTA.   

[Patrick Duffy]

2 minutes ago, Boxcar said:

What's the point in calling something voluntary if you don't consider it to be voluntary.

Think it's mainly that he already missed last season so every and anything regarding the team voluntary or not would be beneficial, especially for him.

[machine gun kelly]

Boxcar, you’re right it is voluntary.  He has leverage in the sense they really won’t fire him as they get no savings from it.

 

you would think after a year off and much less concerns for COVID given recent developments (vacc.)

[thenorthremembers]

Not usually a pitchfork and torch guy, but he should be there after taking a year off.  

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

"cardiac issue" is a pretty broad definition.   I think virtually every older OL and interior DL player has underlying medical conditions.    Almost all of them played thru them.  

 

I'm not saying that Star isn't one cheeseburger away from a heart attack but having his salary fully guaranteed whether he played or not AND then getting an extra free $350K to stay home would financially motivate A LOT of older players that have just been forced to take a pay cut to stay home.    The writing was on the wall.   This was probably his last NFL paycheck.

 

Also, fwiw I really don't think him not being here for volunataries is a sign of anything.    I suspect he will suck or not play for the Bills at all this season,  but 10 year vets often don't show for these things.   He has the least complex job on the entire defense and this isn't a new install...........even if he didn't suck he wouldn't need to be at this OTA.   

 

[Boxcar]

4 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Boxcar, you’re right it is voluntary.  He has leverage in the sense they really won’t fire him as they get no savings from it.

 

you would think after a year off and much less concerns for COVID given recent developments (vacc.)

Can't you make it mandatory for him, then? Maybe he's working on other stuff?

 

I just generally get annoyed when the team will have voluntary workouts and then fans track who wasn't there, as though it's some kind sign of lack of commitment. Star could have just opted to retire, but he didn't.

Edited May 26, 2021 by Boxcar

[HOUSE]

He missed the entire 2020 season and the guy needs to be in camp. Bad Decision but I still like the guy

 

I am thinking his days in Buffalo are limited

[machine gun kelly]

3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

"cardiac issue" is a pretty broad definition.   I think virtually every older OL and interior DL player has underlying medical conditions.    Almost all of them played thru them.  

 

I'm not saying that Star isn't one cheeseburger away from a heart attack but having his salary fully guaranteed whether he played or not AND then getting an extra free $350K to stay home would financially motivate A LOT of older players that have just been forced to take a pay cut to stay home.    The writing was on the wall.   This was probably his last NFL paycheck.

 

Also, fwiw I really don't think him not being here for volunataries is a sign of anything.    I suspect he will suck or not play for the Bills at all this season,  but 10 year vets often don't show for these things.   He has the least complex job on the entire defense and this isn't a new install...........even if he didn't suck he wouldn't need to be at this OTA.   

He has an ejection fraction of 44 vs. the norm of 55-70.  That’s a precursor to CHF.  He had a legitimate medical condition and this was negotiated last year by the NFLPA and the league.

 

whether people agreee with this joint decision last year or not, he had a right under that agreement to opt out.

 

whether he plays or not is tbd.

Just now, HOUSE said:

He missed the entire 2020 season and the guy needs to be in camp. Bad Decision but I still like the guy

 

I am thinking his days in Buffalo are limited

I dont expect him here after 2021.

[HOUSE]

3 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

He has an ejection fraction of 44 vs. the norm of 55-70.  That’s a precursor to CHF.  He had a legitimate medical condition and this was negotiated last year by the NFLPA and the league.

 

whether people agreee with this joint decision last year or not, he had a right under that agreement to opt out.

 

whether he plays or not is tbd.

I dont expect him here after 2021.

 

He could very well be gone before Sept

[BADOLBILZ]

4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

 

 

That looks serious.........he should opt out.

 

According to the AHA more than 1 in 3 adult males have heart disease.

 

The oversized and overweight are at much higher risk.

 

[GunnerBill]

Haven't watched the McDermott presser yet but I am told he was pretty pointed in the way he expressed that is was "unfortunate" that Star was not here. I suspect there is some element of patience beginning to wear thin in OBD. 

[BADOLBILZ]

9 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

He has an ejection fraction of 44 vs. the norm of 55-70.  That’s a precursor to CHF.  He had a legitimate medical condition and this was negotiated last year by the NFLPA and the league.

 

 

 

And that issue is usually very much a function of being overweight and obese.   Like all 300# NFL lineman.   

 

Not a matter of if I agree with it or not.    The majority of at risk players showed up and played.  

 

Star was an unusual case because he is making the small circles around the drain of his NFL career and his salary was fully guaranteed.    He had a lot of motivation to take the opt out and not expose himself to the risk that the normies and at-risk but financially less-secure were. 

 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Haven't watched the McDermott presser yet but I am told he was pretty pointed in the way he expressed that is was "unfortunate" that Star was not here. I suspect there is some element of patience beginning to wear thin in OBD. 

Yes, he was asked to give an update on Star and expectations for him, and he replied only with "Unfortunately, Star isn't here." Implications were clear.

[Mr. WEO]

17 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

He has an ejection fraction of 44 vs. the norm of 55-70.  That’s a precursor to CHF.   

 

 

 

Not true.  He had an ECHO before the draft that showed a transient drop to 44%.  A repeat ECHO showed normal EF.   In fact he had no symptoms of heart failure/disease at the time---it was a screening ECHO.  They assumed a viral infection.   It is certainly possible that his initial ECHO result was erroneous (not uncommon in transthoracic studies on people that big) and that he had no cardiac disease at all.

 

This guy has no good reason not to be at these workouts, unless he's done with football.

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

8 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

And that issue is usually very much a function of being overweight and obese.   Like all 300# NFL lineman.   

 

Not a matter of if I agree with it or not.    The majority of at risk players showed up and played.  

 

Star was an unusual case because he is making the small circles around the drain of his NFL career and his salary was fully guaranteed.    He had a lot of motivation to take the opt out and not expose himself to the risk that the normies and at-risk but financially less-secure were. 

 

 

Show something where it says all current 300+ big men in the NFL have heart disease and considered at risk.

[wppete]

Time to give Star his permanent walking papers. Would like to see some of the Younger guys get an opportunity.

[Patrick Duffy]

2 minutes ago, wppete said:

Time to give Star his permanent walking papers. Would like to see some of the Younger guys get an opportunity.

Yup, or just a different big guy. 

[wppete]

Just now, Patrick_Duffy said:

Yup, or just a different big guy. 

Yea I wouldn’t mind that either. Move that $$$ to more productive players. 

[Patrick Duffy]

4 minutes ago, wppete said:

Time to give Star his permanent walking papers. Would like to see some of the Younger guys get an opportunity.

Also I'm curious myself (like most I'd imagine) how he will be after all the time off. Won't be surprised if he's a disappointment. 

[GunnerBill]

16 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Yes, he was asked to give an update on Star and expectations for him, and he replied only with "Unfortunately, Star isn't here." Implications were clear.

 

Just heard it. Yep. That was very different to when he talked about Stef not being there but being "ready to go." This is reading between the lines but with facial expression, tone of voice and the abrupt answer it would appear to me that the Bills have had no contact with Star. 

[dollars 2 donuts]

Why are we even talking about this with respect to this guy when it is proven facts that he kicks dogs, screams at children and constantly complains about the music being too loud to the neighbors next door?!

 

Get this guy out of here!!

 

 

 

...oh, and sorry, but this Bills' defense would have just plain been better had he played last year.

Edited May 26, 2021 by dollars 2 donuts

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Just heard it. Yep. That was very different to when he talked about Stef not being there but being "ready to go." This is reading between the lines but with facial expression, tone of voice and the abrupt answer it would appear to me that the Bills have had no contact with Star. 

 

 

Yeah..........and considering how little a 10 year vet 1 tech DT would have to gain from being at a voluntary OTA............sounds like patience with his reasoning for not being with the team is running thin.

 

McBeane are humans........it can be expected that they didn't enjoy his decision to opt out and have been wondering about his commitment to the team.

[MJS]

44 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

He missed the entire 2020 season and the guy needs to be in camp. Bad Decision but I still like the guy

 

I am thinking his days in Buffalo are limited

Camp hasn't started yet.

[Heitz]

Dooooooomed..(?)

[Hapless Bills Fan]

54 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

He missed the entire 2020 season and the guy needs to be in camp. Bad Decision but I still like the guy

 

I am thinking his days in Buffalo are limited

 

We're not "in camp" yet.  We're in Phase III of voluntary off-season workouts.

 

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Quick.......get your Star barbs in before Hapless sees this! 

 

You just can't resist taking a personal shot at me, can you?

 

There's a difference between a subject that actually has some information and legit football discussion and a thread that was started with a one line insult (insufficient substrate for discussion) and where the OP's contribution is to loop back with further one line insults.  That's not the kind of board Scott's trying to maintain.

 

If you can't see this, Oh Well.

 

I'm fairly confident that most folks here can.

[BuffaloRebound]

Nothing is ‘voluntary’ that comes with expectations that you either show up or you’re a slacker.  This is why players and NFLPA fight to get rid of ‘voluntary’ workouts.