Son of Satan, Drinker of Babies' Blood not Pleased with Philly Pick - Front Office Rift

[Jauronimo]

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2021/4/30/22413462/eagles-howie-roseman-tom-donahoe-nfl-draft-2021-philadelphia-milton-williams-defensive-tackle-dt

 

Tom Donahoe visibly frustrated with Howie Roseman who is too pleased with himself to notice.  The Iggles off-season has been mired with rumors of a total disconnect between owner Lurie and GM Roseman and the rest of the front office and coaching staff.  This will only add more fuel to the fire.  

 

https://theathletic.com/2506187/2021/04/12/paranoia-mismanagement-and-office-politics-inside-the-eagles-downfall-under-jeffrey-lurie-howie-roseman/

 

[MarkyMannn]

I like the fake fist bump  LOL

[Jauronimo]

5 minutes ago, MarkyMannn said:

I like the fake fist bump  LOL

The whole scene seemed very familiar and thats when I remembered where I had seen it before.

 

 

 

[TheFunPolice]

Remember when the Bills website used to publish the "Ask Tom Donahoe" Q/A every so often?

 

He used to read and sometimes post on the Bills official message boards as well, under another name of course. 

 

 

Edited May 3, 2021 by TheFunPolice

[LeviF]

11 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

He used to read and sometimes post on the Bills official message boards as well, under another name of course. 

 

 

 

He used to come here a lot too. As  @DC Tom

 

Cat's out of the bag now I guess.

[YoloinOhio]

14 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

Remember when the Bills website used to publish the "Ask Tom Donahoe" Q/A every so often?

 

He used to read and sometimes post on the Bills official message boards as well, under another name of course. 

 

 

How was this found out? Fascinating 

[gonzo1105]

Well if they traded down with 3 spots, Roseman admitted they like guys who got picked that leaves the options very limited in who Donahue was pissed about Brady Christianson at 70,  Aaron Robinson at 71, and Alim McNeil at 72. The assumption is I’m guessing Donahue wanted McNeil and went right before them

[DrDawkinstein]

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He explained that when they were at pick No. 70 there were guys they liked on the board that weren’t there when they moved back

 

Interesting.

 

Eagles traded out of 70

Giants jump up to 71 and snag Aaron Robinson, CB, UCF

Detroit stays at 72 and picks Alim McNeil, DT, NC State

 

Eagles end up with Milton Williams, DT, Louisiana Tech

 

So I wonder if the crew was upset that a Divisional rival moved up and stole their guy. Or if they really wanted McNeil at DT who went right before their pick, and then settled for Williams. Or both.

[Jauronimo]

22 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Interesting.

 

Eagles traded out of 70

Giants jump up to 71 and snag Aaron Robinson, CB, UCF

Detroit stays at 72 and picks Alim McNeil, DT, NC State

 

Eagles end up with Milton Williams, DT, Louisiana Tech

 

So I wonder if the crew was upset that a Divisional rival moved up and stole their guy. Or if they really wanted McNeil at DT who went right before their pick, and then settled for Williams. Or both.

I believe Iggles wanted a CB there.

[Freddie's Dead]

Who cares?  ***** Donahoe.  The Iggles got what they deserved, hiring that #######.  How the hell does he even have a job in the NFL after driving the Bills into the ground in 5 years?  It would be like an NFL team hiring Whaley, who also drove the Bills into the ground in 5 years.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Tomorrow's headline:

Eagles: Donahoe out, Whaley in!

[TheFunPolice]

39 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

How was this found out? Fascinating 

 

It was acknowledged on those boards way back when by a moderator, but no details were given. 

 

Donahoe was the guy confiscating fans' signs at the stadium near the end, so I think he enjoyed seeing what was being said. I know I would if I were a GM. 

[frostbitmic]

57 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

Remember when the Bills website used to publish the "Ask Tom Donahoe" Q/A every so often?

 

He used to read and sometimes post on the Bills official message boards as well, under another name of course. 

 

 

I'm pretty sure that was Beast ... It was one of the funniest threads on either board.

[FLFan]

Color me surprised (not) that a front office that includes Tom Donahue is dysfunctional.  

Edited May 3, 2021 by FLFan

[Hapless Bills Fan]

 

1 hour ago, gonzo1105 said:

Well if they traded down with 3 spots, Roseman admitted they like guys who got picked that leaves the options very limited in who Donahue was pissed about Brady Christianson at 70,  Aaron Robinson at 71, and Alim McNeil at 72. The assumption is I’m guessing Donahue wanted McNeil and went right before them

 

If a FO really sees a strong difference on their board between guys who are there at their original spot, and the number of spots they trade back, the answer is simple: Don't Make the Trade.

 

If you've got 4-5 guys you have graded almost equally and would be equally glad to add to your team, and someone offers you goodies to trade back 3 spots, you take it.  If  you have 3 guys you have graded almost equally and someone offers you to trade back 3 spots, you don't.  Durrrr. 

 

[Arkady Renko]

I forgot why we hate him.  Not sure his immediate successors were much better.  

[bills_fan]

He wrecked the Bills entire culture that was built in the 90sby Marv and Bill.  All that success was flushed by Donohoe and Williams. The organization became dysfunctional and, in the end, Donohoe became Captain Queeg with the strawberries.  It was awful to watch and sit through.  Knowing the team you give heart and soul to is just going down the drain and there is nothing you can do to stop it.   

[HT02]

Pretty harsh title, I don't harbor any resentment for Donahoe.  Seems like a pretty decent man who spent more of Wilson's money than Ralph was comfortable with.  The Losman pick didn't work out but its not the first time a QB disappointed.

[Jauronimo]

2 minutes ago, HT02 said:

Pretty harsh title, I don't harbor any resentment for Donahoe.  Seems like a pretty decent man who spent more of Wilson's money than Ralph was comfortable with.  The Losman pick didn't work out but its not the first time a QB disappointed.

Its a reference to an old TBD thread.

 

 

[Marv's Neighbor]

At least he's in Philadelphia, where they seem to boo everybody.

[Rico]

2 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

Remember when the Bills website used to publish the "Ask Tom Donahoe" Q/A every so often?

 

He used to read and sometimes post on the Bills official message boards as well, under another name of course. 

 

 

Was he ranting about his POS boss micromanaging every move? Good place to vent I guess.

[Billy Claude]

9 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Butler screwed the pooch with the Salary cap, so there is that, as well...

 

I believe it was overwhelming arrogance in combination with the incompetence.

 

I knew something was wrong when Marvin Lewis, who everybody expected to go to the Bills, chose the Bengals instead. 

[H2o]

If a guy you really want is on the board then you take him. You don't worry about picking up an extra 6th or whatever trash it was to drop back three spots and then 🤞🤞 in hopes he'll still be there. 

[RobbRiddick]

Donahoe always reminded me of someone

 

 

[H2o]

40 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Its a reference to an old TBD thread.

 

 

That thread is full of TBD OG's, many that I wonder what had happened to over the years. 

[dave mcbride]

54 minutes ago, HT02 said:

Pretty harsh title, I don't harbor any resentment for Donahoe.  Seems like a pretty decent man who spent more of Wilson's money than Ralph was comfortable with.  The Losman pick didn't work out but its not the first time a QB disappointed.

His cardinal sin was his coaching hire. Williams was terrible. 

[Rico]

4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

His cardinal sin was his coaching hire. Williams was terrible. 

Not good, but I would say extending Bledsoe after 2003 was THE major blunder. In both moves, his hands were probably tied by Ralph.

Edited May 3, 2021 by Rico

[jimmy10]

Man, things in Philly fell apart QUICK after that special SB run.
 

Reminds me of the Jerry Glanville line from those old NFL films highlights. “You know what NFL stands for? Not for long.”

[KGun12TD]

As Bills fans, do we care? Will this benefit our agenda in any way? Can we get Ertz, for a bag of peanuts? Asking for the rest of the mafia.

Edited May 3, 2021 by KGun12TD

[Jauronimo]

1 minute ago, KGun12TD said:

As Bills fans, do we care? Will this benefit our agenda in any way? Can we get Ertz, for a bag of peanuts? Asking for the rest of the mafia.

This board discusses the entire NFL.  

[JerseyBills]

I'm sure this is a common occurrence within organizations. 

It's why I immediately fell in love with the McBeane hiring. 

 

Sean and Brando shared the exact same blueprint and vision for this team to sustain long term success!

 

They obviously worked together in Car and I'm sure both talked about sharing that vision of what their team would look like, so bringing Beane along was a no brainer 

 

Edited May 3, 2021 by JerseyBills

[KGun12TD]

20 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

This board discusses the entire NFL.  

 

thanks, Pops. It was a joke.

[Jauronimo]

34 minutes ago, KGun12TD said:

 

thanks, Pops. It was a joke.

You may want to retire from comedy, son.

[Arm of Harm]

2 hours ago, HT02 said:

Pretty harsh title, I don't harbor any resentment for Donahoe.  Seems like a pretty decent man who spent more of Wilson's money than Ralph was comfortable with.  The Losman pick didn't work out but its not the first time a QB disappointed.

 

On the one hand, I agree with you that a GM's incompetence does not necessarily imply a family relationship with Satan. On the other hand, Donahoe's incompetence is about far more than just one draft pick:

 

1) In 2001, TD could have drafted Drew Brees. Instead of which, he traded down for Nate Clements, CB. Clements went first contract + one year and out.

 

2) Prior to the 2002 season, TD traded away his first round pick in 2003 for Drew Bledsoe. Bledsoe spent 3 years as the Bills' starting QB before getting released.

 

3) In the 2002 draft Donahoe used the 4th overall pick to take Mike Williams, RT. Williams was among the biggest busts in franchise history. Donahoe gained pretty much nothing from the 2002 draft. 

 

4) In 2003, Donahoe used a first round pick to take Willis McGahee, RB. McGahee failed to provide a significant upgrade over Travis Henry, whom Donahoe had drafted in the 2nd round of 2001.

 

5) In the 2004 draft, Donahoe chose not to trade up for Ben Roethlisberger, because he thought the price too expensive. Instead he stayed at 13th overall and took Lee Evans (a decent speed WR). He then traded back into the first for Losman, using his 2nd round pick from 2004 and his first round pick from 2005.

 

6) Had the Losman trade not occurred, the Bills could have drafted Aaron Rodgers in 2005. But the Losman acquisition meant that they were unable (no first rounder in 2005) and unwilling to do so. 

 

7) As for Losman himself, there was nothing to suggest he'd be a good QB beyond his good physical tools. A QB like that is a prototype of a first round bust. 

 

8 ) Somewhere along the way, Donahoe chose to end contract negotiations with Antoine Winfield, CB. Winfield was a first round pick and a multiple Pro Bowl player who had a 14 year career. Only the first five of those years were spent in Buffalo, due to first-contract-and-out. The money Donahoe saved by not extending Winfield he used to overpay aging players such as Troy Vincent and Lawyer Milloy. 

 

9) Donahoe made two bad head coaching hires: Gregg Williams and (later) Mike Mularkey. The Williams hire was especially boneheaded, because the Bills had an outstanding defensive scheme in place when Donahoe took over. He should have hired an offensively oriented head coach while keeping that defensive scheme. The defensive scheme Williams installed was significantly worse than the one it replaced. 

Edited May 3, 2021 by Arm of Harm

[4_kidd_4]

4 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

The whole scene seemed very familiar and thats when I remembered where I had seen it before.

 

 

 

 

Always appreciate a good McPoyle reference. Nice work!

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

2 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

Its a reference to an old TBD thread.

 

 

68 pages?!  He was popular!

[Billy Claude]

25 minutes ago, Arm of Harm said:

 

On the one hand, I agree with you that a GM's incompetence does not necessarily imply a family relationship with Satan. On the other hand, Donahoe's incompetence is about far more than just one draft pick:

 

1) In 2001, TD could have drafted Drew Brees. Instead of which, he traded down for Nate Clements, CB. Clements went first contract + one year and out.

 

2) Prior to the 2002 season, TD traded away his first round pick in 2003 for Drew Bledsoe. Bledsoe spent 3 years as the Bills' starting QB before getting released.

 

3) In the 2002 draft Donahoe used the 4th overall pick to take Mike Williams, RT. Williams was among the biggest busts in franchise history. Donahoe gained pretty much nothing from the 2002 draft. 

 

4) In 2003, Donahoe used a first round pick to take Willis McGahee, RB. McGahee failed to provide a significant upgrade over Travis Henry, whom Donahoe had drafted in the 2nd round of 2001.

 

 

 

Don't forget getting rid of Ted Washington because Gregg Williams didn't like fat guys and essentially wrecking a top of the league defense.

 

 

 

[ExWNYer]

18 minutes ago, Arm of Harm said:

 

On the one hand, I agree with you that a GM's incompetence does not necessarily imply a family relationship with Satan. On the other hand, Donahoe's incompetence is about far more than just one draft pick:

 

1) In 2001, TD could have drafted Drew Brees. Instead of which, he traded down for Nate Clements, CB. Clements went first contract + one year and out.

 

2) Prior to the 2002 season, TD traded away his first round pick in 2003 for Drew Bledsoe. Bledsoe spent 3 years as the Bills' starting QB before getting released.

 

3) In the 2002 draft Donahoe used the 4th overall pick to take Mike Williams, RT. Williams was among the biggest busts in franchise history. Donahoe gained pretty much nothing from the 2002 draft. 

 

4) In 2003, Donahoe used a first round pick to take Willis McGahee, RB. McGahee failed to provide a significant upgrade over Travis Henry, whom Donahoe had drafted in the 2nd round of 2001.

 

5) In the 2004 draft, Donahoe chose not to trade up for Ben Roethlisberger, because he thought the price too expensive. Instead he stayed at 13th overall and took Lee Evans (a decent speed WR). He then traded back into the first for Losman, using his 2nd round pick from 2004 and his first round pick from 2005.

 

6) Had the Losman trade not occurred, the Bills could have drafted Aaron Rodgers in 2005. But the Losman acquisition meant that they were unable (no first rounder in 2005) and unwilling to do so. 

 

7) As for Losman himself, there was nothing to suggest he'd be a good QB beyond his good physical tools. A QB like that is a prototype of a first round bust. 

 

8 ) Somewhere along the way, Donahoe chose to end contract negotiations with Antoine Winfield, CB. Winfield was a first round pick and a multiple Pro Bowl player who had a 14 year career. Only the first five of those years were spent in Buffalo, due to first-contract-and-out. The money Donahoe saved by not extending Winfield he used to overpay aging players such as Troy Vincent and Lawyer Milloy. 

 

9) Donahoe made two bad head coaching hires: Gregg Williams and (later) Mike Mularkey. The Williams hire was especially boneheaded, because the Bills had an outstanding defensive scheme in place when Donahoe took over. He should have hired an offensively oriented head coach while keeping that defensive scheme. The defensive scheme Williams installed was significantly worse than the one it replaced. 

 

He was also responsible for that abomination of a uniform...the dark navy with silver and mismatching light blue piping and the white with the Titans-style square blue shoulders. He should have been flogged for that decision alone.

 

 

 

[KGun12TD]

1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

You may want to retire from comedy, son.

Dang! Momma said the same thing. I’ll stick to banking then.

[RobbRiddick]

2 hours ago, Rico said:

Not good, but I would say extending Bledsoe after 2003 was THE major blunder. In both moves, his hands were probably tied by Ralph.

 

 

Before the McD era, the most I was excited about a Bills season after the Kelly years was when Donahoe hot the open checkbook from Ralph and went out and signed guys like Adams, Spikes, Milloy and Bledsoe. I remember the day we signed Spikes, who I really wanted, and I was so hyped up.