Does TE Pitts Make this Offense Elite?

[hondo in seattle]

12 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

The offense is already elite. Would it possibly take it to Chiefs level, probably. Well he prob goes the latest at 10. We’re talking multiple high picks to get him

 

The passing attack is certainly elite.

 

While I'd love to pick up a great TE, it doesn't help the area that most needs improvement.

[Solomon Grundy]

Personally I think that any TE that doesn't occasionally whiff on a blocking assignment or drops a pass would make this offense elite. Pete Metzelaars makes this offense elite

[Bobby Hooks]

I mean, sure, of course we’d be better. But you can say that about many players that are already in the league 

 

We’d be better with Mccaffrey, Mack, Gilmore, the list goes on and on. But it’s unrealistic to think we can get them just as it’s unrealistic to think we can move up far enough to get Pitts. 

 

Its like asking if the Bills would be happy if we were gifted a top ten pick. Sure, but it’s not going to happen. So, what’s the point? 

 

Inserting the question under the guise of “would this make us elite” is silly. The Bills are an elite offense, so would an unbelievable TE prospect make us more elite, sure. 

 

Not sure what that answer does for anyone but enjoy. 

 

 

Edited April 10, 2021 by Bobby Hooks

[Doc]

4 hours ago, JMF2006 said:

We need a go fund me to get Knox a case of stikkum

 

I think he could be a Travis K type TE if he had a better catching to targets ratio.

BTW it would take all of this years picks and quite a few of next years to get into the top ten.

Knox doesn’t need stickum. He needs Josh to make the catch just hard enough so that he has to concentrate on catching it.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

You're all missing the hidden agenda and advantage of securing Pitts in the draft, and immediately trading him to Miami for Robert Foster.

[Niagara Dude]

14 hours ago, Rebel101 said:

N what could it take to draft him and should we be willing to go for it? 

If we did not still need pass rushers on defense i would move up to get him,  he would give Allen an elite toy for the next 10 years.  The problem is the team needs some play makers on defensive side to better balance out the team.

[John from Riverside]

There is literally a 0.00 percent chance of this happening

 

This is one of the reasons you get the crazy angry posts after the draft.......unrealistic expectations

[ColoradoBills]

Are Bills fans really upset when Diggs and Beasley catch passes and not a TE?

 

Bills TEs accounted for about 450 yards last year and the RBs about 400 yards.

Adding another 150-200 yards by each of these positions would balance the offense nicely.

 

That would put the Bills passing game well over 5,000 yards.  That's elite.

 

If the Bills find themselves with a TE capable of 700 yards per year well that's great!

I see no reason for multiple 1st rounders for a TE.  I just don't get it.

 

[Rc2catch]

The cost to grab an unproven rookie at one of the biggest bust potential positions is insane. We don’t even have the ammo to move that high if they wanted to. You’d have to give up Tre or Diggs or something plus picks to move that high. I know it’s the offseason and a bit of a boring time for football, but come on let’s at least use realistic scenarios if we are discussing fantasy 

[auburnbillsbacker]

15 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

weren't we Elite in 2020????

We were.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 hours ago, Nester said:

hype designed to misinform. Over sell Pitts so others take him so your real target is still on the board when it’s your turn to pick.

no one is leaking real draft info now. It’s all 3rd party speculation or misinformation.

 

Gotcha.

 

 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

This offense already is elite

[Utah John]

Darren Waller, the tight end for the Raiders, also has a special combination of size, speed, and athleticism.  And he's very good, but not the best tight end in the league.  It takes a lot of work for even a total-package athlete to excel in the NFL.  Maybe Pitts gets there, and maybe he doesn't.  

 

Defense wins by schemes and planning as well as player skills.  The Bills have a very good defense that will probably get better through this year's draft, the return of Star, and the growth of Oliver and Epenesa.  Just chill, baby.  We'll be fine.

[Chandler#81]

What does it even matter. It’s beyond a pipe dream that will ever materialize.

 

What ISN’T elite about our offense?🤦‍♂️

[Mr. WEO]

18 hours ago, NoSaint said:

Not racing to trade up for a TE.

 

both a second tier position for impact as well as a steep learning curve. Rather spend a little extra on a good vet

This guy will not have a steep learning curve.  He will be instant impact.  
 

It wouldn’t be possible for the Bills to scrounge up the capital to get him,  but he is the only player in the draft who puts this offense over the top immediately. 

[Don Otreply]

He would be a good add, but ask yourself this, which of our wideouts is going to get less targets? Diggs? not likely, Davis?, he had iirc eight TDs, McKenzie, he had six or eight TDs, Beasley, he had a bunch as well, someone who was doing real well for us is gonna have to go without those targets...the pie can only be cut in so many pieces before in becomes counter productive.

 

on top of that, it’s the run game that as of this past season was certainly not elite, and is what needs to be worked on to round out the offense  as it were.  
 

Gotta keep your priorities straight, and not lose track of the bigger picture, nice to have is not as important as need to have...,

Edited April 11, 2021 by Don Otreply

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

Pipe dream, this guy is going in the top 12 picks

 

[wppete]

 

[Boxcar]

On 4/9/2021 at 10:57 PM, Rebel101 said:

N what could it take to draft him and should we be willing to go for it? 

I missed when this offense became not elite.

[LyndonvilleBill]

4 minutes ago, Boxcar said:

I missed when this offense became not elite.

Maybe I don't understand the meaning of Elite? We have an outstanding (possibly elite) passing offense and an average at best run offense. To me that would be a Great offense,  but not elite...🤔. Elite in my eyes would be at least top 5 in both pass and run. No?

[NewEra]

54 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

Maybe I don't understand the meaning of Elite? We have an outstanding (possibly elite) passing offense and an average at best run offense. To me that would be a Great offense,  but not elite...🤔. Elite in my eyes would be at least top 5 in both pass and run. No?

It’s really hard to be top 5 in both. 
 

the chiefs weren’t top 5 rushing offense in 2019.  They were an elite offense 

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

I could have sworn I heard this from so many posters in Eric Ebron's draft year. Tight Ends don't usually come in and dominate right away, Pitts could be the exception but I'm going to go out on the limb and say he struggles in year 1. 

[LyndonvilleBill]

26 minutes ago, NewEra said:

It’s really hard to be top 5 in both. 
 

the chiefs weren’t top 5 rushing offense in 2019.  They were an elite offense 

Wasn't trying to be argumentative, just trying to understand what people's idea is of Elite. When I think of Elite offenses, I think about Rams 2000-2001. Similar to Defense 85 Bears, 2000 Ravens. All of those I would consider "Elite". I get it, it's hard, but isn't that what Elite is supposed to be or mean? Best of the Best?

[billsfan89]

Assuming you have to trade up to 4 or 5 to get Pitts it would probably cost you at best picks 30, 61 and this years third and next years first. That’s a lot to give up for a freaking TE. I get the need for an elite TE and great teams usually have them.

 

However great TE’s are found all over the draft. Gronk, Ertz and Kelce were second round picks, Kittle a 5th round pick and Waller a 6th round pick. Running down the list of the better TE’s in the league and you don’t see many first round picks. TJ Hockenson and Evan Engram are just two good but not elite TE’s in the league drafted in the first round.

 

The history of the position just isn’t strong for super high draft picks. So while I like Pitts I just don’t see him being worth the risk. Take the best players with your first three picks and hope they make the impact needed to help the team short and long term.

43 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

I could have sworn I heard this from so many posters in Eric Ebron's draft year. Tight Ends don't usually come in and dominate right away, Pitts could be the exception but I'm going to go out on the limb and say he struggles in year 1. 

He might have a nice season 50+ receptions, 600 yards and 5-7 TD’s but that’s not going to live up to his hype. In order for him to live up to expectations he is going to have to push 1000 yards and 10 TD’s.

[NewEra]

18 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

Wasn't trying to be argumentative, just trying to understand what people's idea is of Elite. When I think of Elite offenses, I think about Rams 2000-2001. Similar to Defense 85 Bears, 2000 Ravens. All of those I would consider "Elite". I get it, it's hard, but isn't that what Elite is supposed to be or mean? Best of the Best?

what other elite offenses are there?  The 2007 pats, 2013 Broncos, 1990 Bills?  None were close to top 5 in both.  

 

I believe there are 2 offenses ever that finished top 5 passing and rushing.  The Rams and the 2016 falcons. 
 

I don’t think being well balanced is the key to being elite.  Being unstoppable is.  
 

last years Bills O may have been  “elite” when compared to the other teams in the league last season.  Definitely not elite compared to all time

[MrSarcasm]

On 4/9/2021 at 11:20 PM, transplantbillsfan said:

weren't we Elite in 2020????

13-3 is not elite. Now 30-0, thats elite.

[LyndonvilleBill]

6 minutes ago, NewEra said:

what other elite offenses are there?  The 2007 pats, 2013 Broncos, 1990 Bills?  None were close to top 5 in both.  

 

I believe there are 2 offenses ever that finished top 5 passing and rushing.  The Rams and the 2016 falcons. 
 

I don’t think being well balanced is the key to being elite.  Being unstoppable is.  
 

last years Bills O may have been  “elite” when compared to the other teams in the league last season.  Definitely not elite compared to all time

2011 Saints? 2008 Rams?

 

With your last statement, it clarifies for me what Elite means when people use it. I compare it to historical teams and not just a current year. Thanks, that helps.👍

Edited April 11, 2021 by LyndonvilleBill

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

2011 Saints?

 

With your last statement, it clarifies for me what Elite means when people use it. I compare it to historical teams and not just a current year. Thanks, that helps.👍

And that Saints team wasn’t even top 5 in rushing.  Like I said, tough to be top 5 in both passing and rushing. 
 

I think my last statement should clarify that people can use the term “elite” in a variety of ways.  I consider “elite” an all time term.  Meaning last year bills O was definitely not elite.  
 

But you’re just comparing them to other teams last season, being a top 3-4 offense might be regarded as one of the elite offenses for that season. Semantics.  
 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

On 4/9/2021 at 10:57 PM, Rebel101 said:

N what could it take to draft him and should we be willing to go for it? 

 

The offense is ALREADY elite, but yeah Pitts would put them over the top (but they'll never get him) 

[Canadian Bills Fan]

Would it make our offense elite? Hell ya it would.

 

Would it also hamstring us for years to come with what we would have to give up to get him?

 

You betcha 

[Mat68]

Im going to say it.  I think he is going to be a bust.  An average year by Te standards seems like a failure with the hype he has.  Took Hockenson a year or so.  Kittle, Kelce took time.  

[P Riv]

I think the record shows that elite defense and a reliable offense is what wins in the playoffs and SB.  KC has an elite offense, they got shut down and their D got crushed by a reliable offense.  Same the year before, and generally speaking the team in the SB with the better scoring defense, wins.  

Offensive fireworks are always sexy, but defense still wins championships.  We saw it last year, the year before....