Motor26 Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 If the Dolphins stick with Tua, Pats with Cam and the Jets stick with Darnold I am confident the Bills will win the division for the foreseeable future. Tua looked like straight garbage last year. I mean this is the guy who kept getting benched for Fitz. As much as I loved Fitz in his Bills days, he’s not going to get it done. Hell, Tua got blown out by the Bills backups while fighting for a playoff spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: You dont think he is aquiring draft capital for Watson? War, He is aquiring draft picks Trade for Watson won’t happen until after the draft if it happens because his “situation” won’t be resolved in a month. Miami only has 1 2022 1st now (SF’s) so that won’t cut it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Motor26 said: If the Dolphins stick with Tua, Pats with Cam and the Jets stick with Darnold I am confident the Bills will win the division for the foreseeable future. Tua looked like straight garbage last year. I mean this is the guy who kept getting benched for Fitz. As much as I loved Fitz in his Bills days, he’s not going to get it done. Hell, Tua got blown out by the Bills backups while fighting for a playoff spot. We already know the Jets aren’t sticking with Darnold long term. They seem to have their sights set on Zach Wilson who looks like a player. Edited March 26, 2021 by Bangarang 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 17 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I certainly hope that is the case and not Miami buying Watson while his stock is at its lowest I would rather Miami just take stabs at other positions with those picks....I am not wishing for Watson to be in the AFC East At this point, I'd guess Watson will be taking some time away from football...No one is trading for him right now. No one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Goodbye Janine, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 I will say how I see these trades. 1. Miami has 8 picks of which 5 are in the Top 81. They don't need anymore draft capital this year. 2. If their GM/HC has 3 non QBs players on their board that they want then the trade down doesn't matter. 3. Next year they could trade that 1st and 3rd which will be worth a lot more than right now. 4. If they save them for 2023 it's a 1st and a 3rd no matter what anyone says they are worth now. If Tua fails they will want those future picks. Seems to me they are planning long term and that doesn't make me happy. I hope they pick a few busts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 For those of you who follow other teams more closely, how did their 2020 draft picks other than Tua performed last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 19 minutes ago, Draconator said: The Niners saying they want to start Jimmy this year means they want at least a first and another pick to move him. They know the Pats need him. They aren’t handing him over for a prayer. The Pats have no leverage and the Niners know they covet him. The Niners are in win now mode so they will play him if they don’t get the value they seek. I would ask 2 firsts just because it’s the Pats. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 38 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: For those of you who follow other teams more closely, how did their 2020 draft picks other than Tua performed last season? I think Stefon Diggs is still flossing their 2nd rd corner Noah Igbonoghene out of his teeth 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 22 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I think Stefon Diggs is still flossing their 2nd rd corner Noah Igbonoghene out of his teeth Change Yolo bot’s oil, he’s wrong on this... that’s their first round CB washing Diggs’ car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 11 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Change Yolo bot’s oil, he’s wrong on this... that’s their first round CB washing Diggs’ car. Him too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 I laughed 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro Nimbus Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 Trey Lance going to San Fran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 If the Dolphins screw this up, it is nobody's fault but their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 F*** the fish... They'll be watching the Bills win the SB from their couches just like everybody else... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 Memo to Bills fans - It's AWESOME that the rest of the AFC East is scrambling to get better to knock us off our perch as Beasts of the East. Quit worrying and just enjoy the ride. We've waited long enough to get in the front seat. Now check out the amazing view while riding shotgun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 8 hours ago, junior12thman92 said: Hate this for us - NYJ and MIA absolutely loaded with 1st round picks. And neither one has a QB. Meanwhile we have an MVP candidate at QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 7 hours ago, Bangarang said: We already know the Jets aren’t sticking with Darnold long term. They seem to have their sights set on Zach Wilson who looks like a player. I don’t see any evidence of that yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 49ers traded up to take a WR. Their Franchise QB is already on the team ... he just needs a chance. He is incredibly pro-ready and has tremendous accuracy and decision making ability. They are not going to draft a QB to compete with Joshua Lippincott Rosen .. that would be insanity :). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 7 hours ago, Motor26 said: If the Dolphins stick with Tua, Pats with Cam and the Jets stick with Darnold I am confident the Bills will win the division for the foreseeable future. Tua looked like straight garbage last year. I mean this is the guy who kept getting benched for Fitz. As much as I loved Fitz in his Bills days, he’s not going to get it done. Hell, Tua got blown out by the Bills backups while fighting for a playoff spot. Allen didn't look much better as a rookie. Tua never impressed me that much either but it is far too soon to right him off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 (edited) 40 minutes ago, The Governor said: I don’t see any evidence of that yet. Evidence of what? That the Jets have their sights set on Wilson or that he looks like a player? Their GM, HC and OC were keen observers at his pro day today. Rumor has it he is their guy. As far as him looking like a player, just watch his stuff. Kid has a legit arm, makes great throws and is athletic. Edited March 27, 2021 by Bangarang 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrPJax Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Governor said: I don’t see any evidence of that yet. Chris Simms, who is a pretty good Qb evaluator, and a pretty good NFL insider /trend and talent evaluator with stated aspirations to become a GM, believes Wilson is the most talented QB this year ( superstar talent) and feels like the Jets will “ run to the podium picking Wilson” if the Jags stick with Trevor. That makes sense, and I can’t think of another strong reason to stay at 2 unless it is to be certain they get the QB they want as they are starting a new Era with a new coaching staff who has zero ties to Darnold. Btw, who knows what Darnold is after three years as he has more turnovers than tds. It’s also being reported that SF didnt even try talking to the Jets as apparently it’s well known their intentions are to draft a QB. The Jets are sticking for the one position, QB, that changes a franchises future and the one position you most likely need to be in the top 5 ( we got very lucky at 7 as Allen was under valued and subsequently has over achieved) to land that type of talent in today’s draft. If the Jets are looking for a different position, like tackle etc, yet turned down multiple future first round picks to just drop to 12, where they coukd still get an extremely good line prospect, it would be pretty surprising. Only the QB positional talent changes, or drops off so quickly to warrant a team sticking or not moving a few spots despite being getting fairly compensated to move. Time will tell, but the Jets sticking at 2 really seems like strong circumstantial evidence they are going QB with their pick and Wilson seems like the obvious choice. Edited March 27, 2021 by DrPJax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 3 hours ago, CorkScrewHill said: 49ers traded up to take a WR. Their Franchise QB is already on the team ... he just needs a chance. He is incredibly pro-ready and has tremendous accuracy and decision making ability. They are not going to draft a QB to compete with Joshua Lippincott Rosen .. that would be insanity :). you don't give up that much to take a WR. It would be a big surprise if they don't take a QB. Garoppolo is not close to a franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 5 hours ago, nucci said: you don't give up that much to take a WR. It would be a big surprise if they don't take a QB. Garoppolo is not close to a franchise QB. I was joking .. hence the Josh Rosen reference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 9 hours ago, CorkScrewHill said: 49ers traded up to take a WR. Their Franchise QB is already on the team ... he just needs a chance. He is incredibly pro-ready and has tremendous accuracy and decision making ability. They are not going to draft a QB to compete with Joshua Lippincott Rosen .. that would be insanity :). Is that really his middle name 😭 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said: I was joking .. hence the Josh Rosen reference missed that, sorry. I'm old Edited March 27, 2021 by nucci 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Allen didn't look much better as a rookie. Yes he did. In between his struggles he showed elite potential and he showed clear improvement throughout the season. Tua showed nothing last year and IMO he was worse by the end of the season. And as mediocre as his supporting cast was last year, it isn't anywhere near what Allen had to deal with. Gesicki is a legit top 10 TE. Who was the best skill player on our team in 2018? I guess Robert Foster? Edited March 27, 2021 by HappyDays 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, DrPJax said: Chris Simms, who is a pretty good Qb evaluator, and a pretty good NFL insider /trend and talent evaluator with stated aspirations to become a GM, believes Wilson is the most talented QB this year ( superstar talent) and feels like the Jets will “ run to the podium picking Wilson” if the Jags stick with Trevor. That makes sense, and I can’t think of another strong reason to stay at 2 unless it is to be certain they get the QB they want as they are starting a new Era with a new coaching staff who has zero ties to Darnold. Btw, who knows what Darnold is after three years as he has more turnovers than tds. It’s also being reported that SF didnt even try talking to the Jets as apparently it’s well known their intentions are to draft a QB. The Jets are sticking for the one position, QB, that changes a franchises future and the one position you most likely need to be in the top 5 ( we got very lucky at 7 as Allen was under valued and subsequently has over achieved) to land that type of talent in today’s draft. If the Jets are looking for a different position, like tackle etc, yet turned down multiple future first round picks to just drop to 12, where they coukd still get an extremely good line prospect, it would be pretty surprising. Only the QB positional talent changes, or drops off so quickly to warrant a team sticking or not moving a few spots despite being getting fairly compensated to move. Time will tell, but the Jets sticking at 2 really seems like strong circumstantial evidence they are going QB with their pick and Wilson seems like the obvious choice. I don’t see any reports of the Jets turning anything down. It said that SF didn’t speak to the Jets. There could be many reasons for that. The Jets could already have a deal in place with another team that’s waiting on the Jags to announce who they’re taking. We really don’t know yet. There’s a lot of “reaching” with this rumors. Edited March 27, 2021 by The Governor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 22 minutes ago, The Governor said: I don’t see any reports of the Jets turning anything down. It said that SF didn’t speak to the Jets. There could be many reasons for that. The Jets could already have a deal in place with another team that’s waiting on the Jags to announce who they’re taking. We really don’t know yet. There’s a lot of “reaching” with this rumors. It's inconceivable that the Jets aren't taking a QB at 2, assuming they don't trade out, and if they were going to trade out, we would probably know about it already; I'm sure the Niners inquired, and probably others. I just cannot believe their new regime is going to roll out in 2021 with Darnold. It's gotta be a QB and, IMO, it's gotta be Wilson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 12 hours ago, CorkScrewHill said: 49ers traded up to take a WR. Their Franchise QB is already on the team ... he just needs a chance. He is incredibly pro-ready and has tremendous accuracy and decision making ability. They are not going to draft a QB to compete with Joshua Lippincott Rosen .. that would be insanity :). You had me in the first half, I’m not gonna lie. Well done 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 54 minutes ago, The Governor said: I don’t see any reports of the Jets turning anything down. It said that SF didn’t speak to the Jets. There could be many reasons for that. The Jets could already have a deal in place with another team that’s waiting on the Jags to announce who they’re taking. We really don’t know yet. There’s a lot of “reaching” with this rumors. The Jets are taking Wilson at 2. There’s no reports of the Jets turning anything just like there aren’t reports of the Jaguars turning anything down. The first two picks are basically set in stone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 13 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Allen didn't look much better as a rookie. Tua never impressed me that much either but it is far too soon to right him off. Allen as a rookie showed a hell of a lot more promise than Tua. Tua lacks arm strength and he’s not that accurate as many claim that he is 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 12 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Allen as a rookie showed a hell of a lot more promise than Tua. Tua lacks arm strength and he’s not that accurate as many claim that he is I agree, they both had struggles but they were different. The media pre-draft love for Tua played into why he was drafted so high. He was placed on a draft pedestal as a freshman. There is serious doubt as to whether or not he's the answer at QB for Miami because he does not push the ball down the field at an NFL level and his own head coach doesn’t believe in him in crunch time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) On 3/27/2021 at 1:40 AM, Ethan in Portland said: Allen didn't look much better as a rookie. Tua never impressed me that much either but it is far too soon to right him off. Allen had so many traits though, and even though he struggled in his rookie year, you can just see the potential. Do you see any traits in Tua yourself? I don’t see many personally , but just curious to see if you have a different perspective on him than I do. Edited March 28, 2021 by BillsFan130 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 On 3/26/2021 at 12:07 PM, TheBeaneBandit said: Also......possible Jimmy G back to NE on trade??? This is the 1st thing that came to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 2 hours ago, BillsFan130 said: Allen had so many traits though, and even though he struggled in his rookie year, you can just see the potential. Do you see any traits in Tua yourself? I don’t see many personally , but just curious to see if you have a different perspective on him than I do. The difference between Allen's rookie season, and Tua's is pretty interesting. They both had crappy O-lines, and lousy protection. But Tua, the pandemic notwithstanding, was in a pretty good position with Fitz as his mentor, and some decent receivers. Allen had... Peterman, and the worst receiver group in the league. But, in my opinion, the biggest difference between the two is mental. To me, this last season, it often looked like Tua was playing scared. In Allen's rookie season, even though he struggled, and was in a terrible position, he never looked rattled, always fought, and never seemed to lose his confidence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 28, 2021 Author Share Posted March 28, 2021 3 hours ago, BillsFan130 said: Allen had so many traits though, and even though he struggled in his rookie year, you can just see the potential. Do you see any traits in Tua yourself? I don’t see many personally , but just curious to see if you have a different perspective on him than I do. To be fair to Tua... He had no real offseason due to COVID , AND he was coming off hip surgery. I’ve been as hard on Tua as anyone, but to step in as a rookie in those conditions had to be pretty tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Logic said: To be fair to Tua... He had no real offseason due to COVID , AND he was coming off hip surgery. I’ve been as hard on Tua as anyone, but to step in as a rookie in those conditions had to be pretty tough. For sure and I agree. In terms of the no offseason though, Herbert and burrow played well, especially Herbert. (2 other rookie QBs) With the hip injury, it’s definitely possible to your point that he wasn’t full recovered and needed some more time to heal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) On 3/26/2021 at 1:31 PM, C.Biscuit97 said: Point is that Fields is no more raw than Allen coming out. If Fields (or whoever the pick is) turned out to be the Allen in his 3rd year, does anyone care what it cost to get him? I hate the nepotism in the NFL but Shanahan has shown to be one of the best offensive coaches in the league. You put the right physical talent in his system and it could be a problem. Fields is also a disciple of Shanahan via the QB Collective Camps Ryan Day was also the Qb coach in SF under chip Kelly before going to Ohio state though I don’t know if anyone is still in the building from the former regime Edited March 28, 2021 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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