Texans' Deshaun Watson accused of indecent conduct in civil lawsuit; QB denies wrongdoing

[Putin]

15 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You make some valid points, but when it comes to allegations...I would hope that no one on this board, nor Watson, will get into trouble for allegations of anything before investigation and some form of judicial process takes place.

 

I don't care for things being adjucated in the press/social media.

I agree with this ^^^^ 100% !!! 
But it seems like everyday there’s more and more women coming out , BTW how many women are there so far ( until now ) ? 
 

[Mike in Horseheads]

8 minutes ago, SDS said:

Cal Ripken Jr had a reputation that was kept out of the news. 

So thats why he was called the "Iron Man"

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, Putin said:

I agree with this ^^^^ 100% !!! 
But it seems like everyday there’s more and more women coming out , BTW how many women are there so far ( until now ) ?

 

I have lost track.  Last count I heard was 22.

[Gugny]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I still remain skeptical of all these accusations more based on the fact that the lawyer filing these suits to me has a bunch of red flags and seems to be on a mission focused on his personal fame and also money.

 

I will say this though...I have seen a lot of people say that Watson is innocent because he has been such a good person image wise on and off the field.  

 

Yet...squeeky clean image guys like Peyton Manning are sex addicts with all kinds of regular sexual transgressions outside their marriage.  Peyton even has apartments set up in different places for his side girls and stuff.  

 

Just like how Tiger Woods had a squeaky clean image too until all his sexual transgressions came to light. 

 

Bill Cosby in the publics eye was a saint until he wasn't.  

 

So while it definitely seems out of character for Watson, thats definitely not a reason to just assume he is innocent either.  I am still waiting to form an opinion on his guilt or innocent until I see more evidence from the accusers.  The first batch of text messages were an absolute joke and in no way proved any wrong doing by Watson.  

 

Agents and lawyers don't know these people.  Coaches and team mates don't know these people.  I, like most people, work 40+ hours/week with the same people every week and I don't "know" them.

 

This seems out of character for Watson according to whom?  

 

People speaking out on his character barely ***** know him.  And it doesn't matter.

[Bill from NYC]

29 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You make some valid points, but when it comes to allegations...I would hope that no one on this board, nor Watson, will get into trouble for allegations of anything before investigation and some form of judicial process takes place.

 

I don't care for things being adjucated in the press/social media.

I do not disagree with anything in the above post HBF. I am all for due process. 

[Behindenemylines]

22 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Reported that several teams are still interested in trading for Watson:

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/21/report-several-teams-remain-interested-in-a-deshaun-watson-trade/

 

 

Who puts their career on the line to commit to this guy with this baggage happening?  Imagine dropping 150M on this then he hits commissioner exemption list for the year.  Then the police find cause to attempt arrest for assault or rape potentially?  
 

[Putin]

1 minute ago, Behindenemylines said:

Who puts their career on the line to commit to this guy with this baggage happening?  Imagine dropping 150M on this then he hits commissioner exemption list for the year.  Then the police find cause to attempt arrest for assault or rape potentially?  
 

So you think his career is over ? 

[Bill from NYC]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Jimbo used to hook him up after games in Buffalo.

 

Who? Peyton?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, Putin said:

So you think his career is over ? 

 

I don't think that follows, no.  This could all settle out like many a wealthy athlete's troubles have done in the past...Kobe, Ben Roethlisberger, Greg Hardy, the barroom brawl with off duty officers for McCoy etc. 

 

Money and a great legal team can make a lot of problems go away.  On the other hand, maybe this will be too big to go away and/or will result in legal action as well as civil charges.

 

The point is, a successful trade for Watson will be a "chips all in" move for the FO that trades for him.  They will have to give up serious resources in the way of players and picks, and earmark serious cap towards him.

 

Those kind of moves are career-enhancing for the GM who makes the move if it all works out...and a career-buster for the GM who makes that move only to see the team lose the draft/player resources, AND the services of the player they traded them for for a critical period of time.  He'd be a "cautionary tale".

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Don't you have to meet some women first?

Nailed me. One day, hopefully, I will talk to a woman. 🙏

[BuffaloRebound]

He’s not trade-able right now.  I’d be surprised if he suits up for Texans this year either.  He’ll get paid but not allowed to play in my opinion.  Even if he’s innocent, it’s gonna take a long time to work through however many allegations he’s up to now.  

[Behindenemylines]

19 minutes ago, Putin said:

So you think his career is over ? 

Not what I said exactly.  I’m thinking if a team takes this guy and it blows up then that persons career is over     
 

however unless these claims are proven false his reputation will forever have a * with “serial offender” next to it in many people’s minds. Should a team take that baggage on no matter how talented the player?   I wouldn’t want that. 

[DaggersEOD]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Biggest red flag for me though in this specific case is this:  Lawyer's first statement insisted this "wasn't about money" but that was only AFTER he first offered Watson a 6 figure cash settlement that he turned down.  

 

Its clearly 100% about money and not justice from the get go if you are going to allow the accused to just settle with a financial settlement and not even file the civil suits.  So thats not a good look for the accusing lawyer IMO.  

 

And this lawyer forcing this issue into the court of public opinion on social media is another red flag.  

 

So while I agree with your point above about why some women will be intimidated to come out against a celebrity, there is a lot to be suspicious of in this exact case.  

 

Again RAMPANT speculation, but it’s possible they approached him insisting he took responsibility for his actions. 
 

He rebuffs them in a dismissive “WHO TF are you? You’re a nobody and I’m a somebody” “I can do whatever I want” “You can’t touch me” *insert arrogant ahole insult*
 

Victim won’t tolerate the disrespect, changes motive from compensation to justice. 
 

Just an example off the top of my head and is not based on any facts or knowledge.

Edited March 24, 2021 by DaggersEOD
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[JoPoy88]

29 minutes ago, Behindenemylines said:

Who puts their career on the line to commit to this guy with this baggage happening?  Imagine dropping 150M on this then he hits commissioner exemption list for the year.  Then the police find cause to attempt arrest for assault or rape potentially?  
 

well understand if Watson’s smart and settles these all quickly best believe every single one of those settlements will have a non-cooperation clause in there and then any criminal investigation and NFL league investigation is dead-ended.

[YoloinOhio]

I was just thinking about how this will probably end up with a 6 gamer appealed down to 4

 

 

[Putin]

18 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

He’s not trade-able right now.  I’d be surprised if he suits up for Texans this year either.  He’ll get paid but not allowed to play in my opinion.  Even if he’s innocent, it’s gonna take a long time to work through however many allegations he’s up to now.  

Unless he just settles with all of the women , and this could go away in a day 

[Behindenemylines]

2 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

well understand if Watson’s smart and settles these all quickly best believe every single one of those settlements will have a non-cooperation clause in there and then any criminal investigation and NFL league investigation is dead-ended.

And what’s the settlement per person going to be?   I’d bet $500k minimum and we are at 24.  so right now $12m plus legal of 4-5M.    He’s not settling because maybe there is another 24 out there.  Financial ruin and no career. 

[Alphadawg7]

11 minutes ago, DaggersEOD said:

 

Again RAMPANT speculation, but it’s possible they approached him insisting he took responsibility for his actions. 
 

He rebuffs them in a dismissive “WHO TF are you? You’re a nobody and I’m a somebody” “I can do whatever I want” “You can’t touch me” *insert arrogant ahole insult*
 

Victim won’t tolerate the disrespect, changes motive from compensation to justice. 
 

Just an example off the top of my head and is not based on any facts or knowledge.

 

Just my opinion...but...A guilty man pays in that scenario, especially only being 6 figures given what Watson has made in his career.  Which is why Trump paid the porn star.  He wouldn't risk not taking the easy way out for 6 figures, Watson can easily afford it.  His reputation and his current situation is too valuable to risk it becoming public if they have evidence against him.

 

So while I see your point, and I know you are saying just a speculative example, still feels like its unlikely for the reasons I stated.

[Warcodered]

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I was just thinking about how this will probably end up with a 6 gamer appealed down to 4

 

 

[Behindenemylines]

12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I was just thinking about how this will probably end up with a 6 gamer appealed down to 4

 

 

OMG best thing I’ve seen all week.  Hilarious!

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Reported that several teams are still interested in trading for Watson:

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/21/report-several-teams-remain-interested-in-a-deshaun-watson-trade/

 

 

 

This Bills fan feels bad for Texans fans. Can NOTHING go right for them? The Franchise QB wants out, but you can only trade him for a bag of used balls compared to what he’s really worth as a top QB on an open market. The Texans are going full Billsy! 

[BuffaloRebound]

He’s clearly gonna claim it was consensual. I’m not sure there’s enough evidence to file criminal charges.  Given the similarity of the accounts of the accusers and the sheer number of accusers, he’s gonna have a tough time in a civil trial.  He’ll end up apologizing, paying these women large sums of money, and probably suspended by the NFL for a year at least.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Hookers and Escorts. They understand it's a business. 😉😁

 

Stay away from Instagram models and bar girls. 

Edited March 24, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Jauronimo]

48 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Hookers and Escorts. They understand it's a business. 😉😁

 

Stay away from Instagram models and bar girls. 

This guy pays for it!

 

Well said, stranger.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

6 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

This guy pays for it!

 

Well said, stranger.

Not saying I do 🙂, but if you have money I don't understand why these athletes continue to seek out IG girls.

Edited March 24, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Hookers and Escorts. They understand it's a business. 😉😁

 

Stay away from Instagram models and bar girls. 

Instagram model seems to have worked out ok for Poyer.

 

But I think I understand what you mean.  Discrete professionals who get paid well for services they agree to provide would seem like the better way to go for these guys

[JoPoy88]

2 hours ago, Behindenemylines said:

And what’s the settlement per person going to be?   I’d bet $500k minimum and we are at 24.  so right now $12m plus legal of 4-5M.    He’s not settling because maybe there is another 24 out there.  Financial ruin and no career. 

i think you’re overestimating a bit. Financial ruin? Lol no. Not for Watson and his contract. 
 

edit: and it’s not 24 claims, it’s 14 (currently.)

Edited March 24, 2021 by JoPoy88

[JoPoy88]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

This Bills fan feels bad for Texans fans. Can NOTHING go right for them? The Franchise QB wants out, but you can only trade him for a bag of used balls compared to what he’s really worth as a top QB on an open market. The Texans are going full Billsy! 

I feel bad for texan fans because the owner is a complete dunce and got conned by a dime store evangelical sure. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

44 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Instagram model seems to have worked out ok for Poyer.

 

But I think I understand what you mean.  Discrete professionals who get paid well for services they agree to provide would seem like the better way to go for these guys

Ehh, I guess. I mean there's been times she's called him and other girls out in the public. These IG girls are attention seekers. Gorgeous, but some of them will air you out in front of the world if things go bad. 

[Jauronimo]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Not saying I do 🙂, but if you have money I don't understand why these athletes continue to seek out IG girls.

Were they IG girls or masseuses or something in between?  Either way, that's part of the kink here I would venture to guess.  Seems like he enjoys the whole ritual of pushing his luck to get a hand party under the pretense of massage. 

 

If he wanted a sure thing, I'm sure he could arrange it yet here he is with 22 accusers and counting each sharing a similar tale of him suavely slipping away from the confines of his comedically small towel to gently brush his erect penis against her elbow or coquettishly nudging his buttocks at her unsuspecting hand.  

 

While the case remains murky at best, one thing is certain: Deshaun enjoys his ass play.  His lawyers know it, the DA knows it, his teammates know it, and we know it.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, Jauronimo said:

Were they IG girls or masseuses or something in between?  Either way, that's part of the kink here I would venture to guess.  Seems like he enjoys the whole ritual of pushing his luck to get a hand party under the pretense of massage. 

 

If he wanted a sure thing, I'm sure he could arrange it yet here he is with 22 accusers and counting each sharing a similar tale of him suavely slipping away from the confines of his comedically small towel to gently brush his erect penis against her elbow or coquettishly nudging his buttocks at her unsuspecting hand.  

 

While the case remains murky at best, one thing is certain: Deshaun enjoys his ass play.  His lawyers know it, the DA knows it, his teammates know it, and we know it.

Yeah. We don't personally know these athletes. Remember Darren Sharper? Pro Bowl safety. Clean image. Turned out to be a serial rapist. 

[Taraka]

17 hours ago, wppete said:

Deshaun Watson lawsuits up to 14, with 24 accusers

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/23/deshaun-watson-lawsuits-up-to-14-with-24-accusers/

If these allegation are indeed true, what a disgusting POS of a person this guy is football player be damned

[smuvtalker]

On 3/20/2021 at 10:16 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I will say this.  From what little I know, mostly following athletes on Insta and a bit of contact with former athletes at parties and such, they tend to have "their guys" (or gals) who provide regular services.  Hunting down services and making arrangements consumes scarce time.  So they tend to find barbers and chefs and trainers and PTs and massage therapists they like, and then stick with them - going so far as to fly them in for haircuts if they change teams.  It's actually like most people do, but more so since most of us are more like $23 for a haircut (not $213 or $2113 plus a plane ticket and a taxi from the airport).

 

There was an article about Cog when he was in Buffalo, he had a woman come to his apartment regularly on Tuesday to give him a massage.  Now Cog was a known Pig with women, but I'd bet money he treated that woman with the utmost respect 100% of the time, because he wanted her continued services.

 

So to me, it's kinda weird that apparently Watson set up massages with so many different massage therapists.  Either he was extraordinarily picky and just couldn't find the right therapist, or they were each "One and Done" with doing business with him, which doesn't usually happen when there's nothing "off" taking place.

This times 1,000,000%.  I'm not a celebrity or rich, however for 10+ years before I got married, I frequented several massage parlors in the Atlanta area(I lived literally on the same street as Gold Spa and frequented them many times), as well as had "special" friends that I visited, quite often.  Let me assure you, it's ALL about the "regulars".  Once you find a place you like, that has the masseuses you like, that's who you're mainly going to go for.  You know them and are comfortable with them, and vice versa. And as your masseuse, you want someone who already knows your body, where your sore areas are, the spots that need a little extra TLC.  It's very poignant that many of the alleged victims statements mentioned that Watson kept having to tell them what areas to keep paying extra attention to. You want to have your regulars because they don't need to be told where those spots are....Every time you meet a new masseuse or friend, there's an air of uncertainty, uncomfortableness if you will, that goes along with meeting a complete stranger that's getting ready to know you in a very intimate way.  Just like Hap said, it's WAY too time consuming to meet a different one every single time!!  And heck, don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the variety of the business, having different ethnicities of masseuses/friends from time to time, but even then made them regulars.  Seeking out completely different masseuses for every encounter is HIGHLY suspect IMHO, and a definite red flag in my book.  

 

I'm no lawyer, nor a detective so i can't speculate to Watson's guilt or innocence, but DAYUM it's looking worse and worse by the day!!  And I certainly get what Gunner was saying about advising your client not to say anything, but if I really didn't do any of the things these women are saying I did, I'm sorry, I would have to say something....

Edited March 24, 2021 by smuvtalker

[Scott7975]

7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Reported that several teams are still interested in trading for Watson:

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/21/report-several-teams-remain-interested-in-a-deshaun-watson-trade/

 

 

 

On the flipside ...

 

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

On the flipside ...

 

 

 

This makes more logical sense

[wppete]

6 hours ago, ~Kostabi~ said:

If these allegation are indeed true, what a disgusting POS of a person this guy is football player be damned

Very true. That’s if they are true...  16 Law suits and counting 24 accusers and counting And a clear pattern... And most likely criminal charges to follow.. There is a zero chance any team takes this guy on to be the face of their franchise ever...

 

 

Edited March 24, 2021 by wppete

[H2o]

Florio thinks Watson should settle all of these cases now. I have to agree with him for once. The number of accusers makes this clearly seem like a pattern and not a joint effort at a money-grab. Watson could very well end up facing criminal charges and incarceration. 

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/23/deshaun-watson-needs-to-settle-these-cases-now/

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Even if Watson still receives a suspension, it’s better than the alternative, which includes the reality of very expensive legal fees, the prospect of multiple verdicts against him, placement on paid leave by the league followed by a lengthy suspension, and potential incarceration.

 

Indeed, looming over the entire situation is the possibility that criminal charges will be filed. If Watson testifies in the civil lawsuits and invokes his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, he’ll lose every one of them. If he testifies in the civil lawsuits and if it goes poorly, he’ll provide the prosecutor with a potential roadmap for criminal charges.

 

Thus, as distasteful as it may be to him to settle these claims, he needs to realize that it’s the only way out of this problem that entails a minimal legal fees, minimal disruption to his football career, minimal payouts to the plaintiffs (in comparison to the potential verdicts), and minimal chance of a conviction.

 

 

[BillsFan4]

18 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

His attorney gave his statement to TMZ?

interesting that he doesn’t deny Watson had sex with the women. Only that he didn’t force them to have sex.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

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11 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Ehh, I guess. I mean there's been times she's called him and other girls out in the public. These IG girls are attention seekers. Gorgeous, but some of them will air you out in front of the world if things go bad. 

 

She did, but that was 3 years ago and to both their credits, they seem to have both grown up some.

 

But it might be like drafting Tom Brady - most of the time when you pick a QB in the 6th round, the best you can hope for is that it ends quietly.

 

32 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

interesting that he doesn’t deny Watson had sex with the women. Only that he didn’t force them to have sex.

 

More on the statement from the lawyer:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/23/deshaun-watsons-lawyer-says-allegations-are-false-accuses-accuser-of-blackmail/

 

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In addition, the tactic of refusing our requests to confidentially provide the names of the plaintiffs so we can fully investigate their claims makes uncovering the truth extremely difficult.

 

This seems weak sauce to me.  Since these are all apparently women Watson hired to provide massage services, shouldn't his lawyer already have names and the dates/locations?  How does the lawyer intend to "fully investigate their claims" that information from his client wouldn't enable?

[Behindenemylines]

2 hours ago, H2o said:

Florio thinks Watson should settle all of these cases now. I have to agree with him for once. The number of accusers makes this clearly seem like a pattern and not a joint effort at a money-grab. Watson could very well end up facing criminal charges and incarceration. 

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/23/deshaun-watson-needs-to-settle-these-cases-now/

 

But the million dollar question is how many girls?   If he has been doing this for four years (or longer) could easily be up to 40 plus women and I doubt the settlement amounts get less as they keep rolling in.  
 

still do you take on a dude who just settled 40 (in this scenario) potential sexual assault cases?  Nope most likely. Plus i would assume there is an out and recoupment on the guaranteed cash for catastrophic damage to the franchise.