Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 15 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: oh great. Given the instagram posts, can’t wait to see what this guy says with cameras and a mic in front of him. Maybe we will get a choregraphed musical. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Unless those aren't the numbers. Quote Research shows that rates of false reporting are frequently inflated, in part because of inconsistent definitions and protocols, or a weak understanding of sexual assault. Misconceptions about false reporting rates have direct, negative consequences and can contribute to why many victims don’t report sexual assaults (Lisak et al., 2010). (Points out that inconsistent definitions, or conflating "unfounded report" with "false report" inflates those statistics - "unfounded report" can mean either false, or "one in which the report does not meet the elements of the crime, but is presumed truthful"). There are also an undefined number of cases in which, under police pressure, the victim recants and says the report was false - which have been later proven beyond all doubt to be true based on evidence collected in investigating a different crime. Really don't want to go down this rabbit hole of a generalized discussion, the point is that any hard numbers in this field should be regarded with suspicion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t know anything about the lawyer - what makes him a scumbag Well, among other things, this is the lawyer who represented Mario Williams ex-fiancee when he sued her for return of the ring and other expenditures, and who released private texts between the fiancee' and Williams in which they alleged Williams expressed suicidal thoughts. Which seemed pretty douche-y to me. 3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: It’s so weird how different men and women are. I don’t care how famous or rich a woman is, it doesn’t make her more attractive. I expect if you're a rich, famous woman with time and money for all the personal trainers and workouts you want, personal shoppers to help you find the most flattering fashions, beauticians and cosmetologists, and even plastic surgery, it might just be possible to appear more attractive than if you're working 60 hrs a week and raising kids while trying to maintain a house (and buying your clothes and cosmetics at Walmart). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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H2o Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Just now, YoloinOhio said: The rabbit hole just keeps going deeper and deeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Yikes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Behindenemylines Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 24 minutes ago, H2o said: The rabbit hole just keeps going deeper and deeper. And filled with more and more oil... Im here to 11, try the veal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 I just hope nothing like this ever comes out about Josh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Geez, I'll admit I thought this was likely a cash-grab/character assassination promoted by the Texans to force him to stay and get in line. It's now looking like something else. Statistically unlikely there's not something to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 This is crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 The texts the lawyer released were a joke. I mean nothing about them remotely suggests wrong doing. He claims to have more...so until I see something concrete that shows some sort of wrong doing by Watson, my suspicions of this Lawyer will remain in place. Its always suspect to me when a lawyer opens with "Its not about money" yet immediately led with proposing a cash settlement to the accuser from the get go. And people can be pretty s***ty in general and like to pile on to cash grab opportunities. So the extra cases and women coming forward doesn't make Watson more guilty either automatically. I am not saying he is innocent either, just saying this is all suspect in how its coming about. So I will hold my judgement until more is known. Its also always a red flag when the accuser goes straight to CIVIL suit vs CRIMINAL when an alleged crime has happened. Usually means they want money and also usually means they lack the confidence in actually winning in criminal court where the burden of proof is higher. If they really had something on him, and REALLY wanted to get JUSTICE...they would go after him criminally first, then come get money after he was convicted in a civil suit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Doc said: I just hope nothing like this ever comes out about Josh. why would you even mention his name here? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Doc said: I just hope nothing like this ever comes out about Josh. Indeed. It would kill me. Sheesh. Just now, ndirish1978 said: why would you even mention his name here? Well, secondhand but a couple on here know women who personally knew Watson at Clemson and have only good things to say. So there's this disconnect/disbelief about Watson like "*****, who else might have feet of clay"? If Allen or Diggs want a massage in their room, I hope they keep a witness around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: The texts the lawyer released were a joke. I mean nothing about them remotely suggests wrong doing. He claims to have more...so until I see something concrete that shows some sort of wrong doing by Watson, my suspicions of this Lawyer will remain in place. Its always suspect to me when a lawyer opens with "Its not about money" yet immediately led with proposing a cash settlement to the accuser from the get go. And people can be pretty s***ty in general and like to pile on to cash grab opportunities. So the extra cases and women coming forward doesn't make Watson more guilty either automatically. I am not saying he is innocent either, just saying this is all suspect in how its coming about. So I will hold my judgement until more is known. Its also always a red flag when the accuser goes straight to CIVIL suit vs CRIMINAL when an alleged crime has happened. Usually means they want money and also usually means they lack the confidence in actually winning in criminal court where the burden of proof is higher. If they really had something on him, and REALLY wanted to get JUSTICE...they would go after him criminally first, then come get money after he was convicted in a civil suit. I hear ya.. I know statistically speaking most women don’t lie about this sort of thing BUT most women aren’t suing men who are worth millions upon millions of dollars. I’m interested to know the relationships between these women and Watson. Dates, times, locations etc and I’m interested to see what will happen when they get fact checked. Any woman who is lying should face criminal charges of their own. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: This is my gripe. Why isn't the "first" step of the accusers to go to the police instead of a lawyer. It seems like a money grab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Can’t even lie. Just booked a massage and scouted out the masseur before I did it. 😉 now, I’m really nervous. Thank god I’m slightly less rich and famous than Watson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Victory Formation said: I hear ya.. I know statistically speaking most women don’t lie about this sort of thing BUT most women aren’t suing men who are worth millions upon millions of dollars. I’m interested to know the relationships between these women and Watson. Dates, times, locations etc and I’m interested to see what will happen when they get fact checked. Any woman who is lying should face criminal charges of their own. Yeah, the stats kind of go out the window when it comes to celebrities who are more vulnerable to these types of accusations. Private citizens are a different animal, but when you have a high profile person in modern day society where you can be convicted in the court of social media without evidence, it gives more temptation for people to go after a cash grab. Look what happened to Kobe. His accuser willfully on her own went to his private room. She shows up at hospital to accuse him of raping her yet has 3 other mens in her underwear and not Kobes. Then drops the case to avoid having to testify. I mean, there was literally not one shred of evidence to her claim...but when a celebrity is in this position, it can often just be one persons word vs the other. And to to this day, people who dont like Kobe still refer to him as a rapist despite not a single piece of actual evidence remotely suggesting that rape was involved. Court of public opinion with social media is a major weapon for accusers against high profile individuals. None of this means Watson is innocent either...just for me, this all seems highly suspect given the lawyer opens with "Its not about money" after he first unsuccessfully just asked Watson for money before filing suit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: The texts the lawyer released were a joke. I mean nothing about them remotely suggests wrong doing. He claims to have more...so until I see something concrete that shows some sort of wrong doing by Watson, my suspicions of this Lawyer will remain in place. Its always suspect to me when a lawyer opens with "Its not about money" yet immediately led with proposing a cash settlement to the accuser from the get go. And people can be pretty s***ty in general and like to pile on to cash grab opportunities. So the extra cases and women coming forward doesn't make Watson more guilty either automatically. I am not saying he is innocent either, just saying this is all suspect in how its coming about. So I will hold my judgement until more is known. Its also always a red flag when the accuser goes straight to CIVIL suit vs CRIMINAL when an alleged crime has happened. Usually means they want money and also usually means they lack the confidence in actually winning in criminal court where the burden of proof is higher. If they really had something on him, and REALLY wanted to get JUSTICE...they would go after him criminally first, then come get money after he was convicted in a civil suit. I agree with most of this. I can not agree about pursuing a criminal case first and what not doing so means. It could mean that the police blew it off or that they or a friend had a prior poor experience with police and were like "don't bother". If victims lack confidence of even having a complaint taken seriously and investigated properly, much less charges are filed, much less conviction, there's very good reason for all of that. I hope you never have someone you care for involved in that. I think the lawyer was actively seeking women to add to his case with his Instagram. Now that doesn't mean that the allegations didn't happen. But there's all sorts of stuff about how memories and eyewitness testimony can be influenced by the way an interview is conducted....and yeah, the chance for $$ is also a factor. Whether or not it happened, I'm very very uncomfortable with the way this case is being pursued in the Court of Public Opinion. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: This is my gripe. Why isn't the "first" step of the accusers to go to the police instead of a lawyer. It seems like a money grab. They are afraid for themselves much of the time, especially with highly thought of big stars. They don’t want their names out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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