Victory Formation Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: Yeah, the stats kind of go out the window when it comes to celebrities who are more vulnerable to these types of accusations. Private citizens are a different animal, but when you have a high profile person in modern day society where you can be convicted in the court of social media without evidence, it gives more temptation for people to go after a cash grab. Look what happened to Kobe. His accuser willfully on her own went to his private room. She shows up at hospital to accuse him of raping her yet has 3 other mens in her underwear and not Kobes. Then drops the case to avoid having to testify. I mean, there was literally not one shred of evidence to her claim...but when a celebrity is in this position, it can often just be one persons word vs the other. And to to this day, people who dont like Kobe still refer to him as a rapist despite not a single piece of actual evidence remotely suggesting that rape was involved. Court of public opinion with social media is a major weapon for accusers against high profile individuals. None of this means Watson is innocent either...just for me, this all seems highly suspect given the lawyer opens with "Its not about money" after he first unsuccessfully just asked Watson for money before filing suit. Yes, sir. Now what happens if X woman says that Watson assaulted her at such and such location at such and such time but it turns out he was really at practice or working with his trainer? Hopefully Watson keeps a detailed log/journal of his schedule, that would be one way of proving some of his accusers wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: I agree with most of this. I can not agree about pursuing a criminal case first and what not doing so means. It could mean that the police blew it off or that they or a friend had a prior poor experience with police and were like "don't bother". If victims lack confidence of even having a complaint taken seriously and investigated properly, much less charges are filed, much less conviction, there's very good reason for all of that. I hope you never have someone you care for involved in that. I think the lawyer was actively seeking women to add to his case with his Instagram. Now that doesn't mean that the allegations didn't happen. But there's all sorts of stuff about how memories and eyewitness testimony can be influenced by the way an interview is conducted....and yeah, the chance for $$ is also a factor. Whether or not it happened, I'm very very uncomfortable with the way this case is being pursued in the Court of Public Opinion. I agree with you on those points too. I was more referencing these types of cases, especially with the number of alleged victims now. And also, my opinion in this such case is influenced by an attorney opening with "Its not about the money" who actually first just demanded money from Watson before filing suit. If it wasn't about the money, they wouldn't have tried to cash settle it before filing. But good reply, and youre right, my comment (while still true in a lot of accounts) isnt a fair blanketed one to people who first choose civil. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: They are afraid for themselves much of the time, especially with highly thought of big stars. They don’t want their names out there. I'm fairly certain the identities of sexual assault victims are not public information. At a minimum, why not contact the police and a lawyer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: This is my gripe. Why isn't the "first" step of the accusers to go to the police instead of a lawyer. It seems like a money grab. I agree the publicity-hound lawyer seeking plaintiffs and his whole approach make it seem like a money grab. As far as the police and whether or not these events really occurred, I don't know, but it's neither more or less likely in my mind because they didn't go there, for {good reasons}. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: I'm fairly certain the identities of sexual assault victims are not public information. At a minimum, why not contact the police and a lawyer? Well, the police will probably ask them when it happened, where and what time. If these women lie about this or if the information they provide is not accurate, they could face legal trouble. If X accuser says it happened on a Monday in 2019 but it turns out that Watson was having lunch with his girlfriend or working with a team trainer that day, obviously we would rightfully assume that that person is a liar. Of course they may say they don’t remember and blah blah but they’d lose all credibility at that point... Now if these women come forward with dates, times and locations that all check out, this could get really really ugly for Watson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 22 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: Well, the police will probably ask them when it happened, where and what time. If these women lie about this or if the information they provide is not accurate, they could face legal trouble. If X accuser says it happened on a Monday in 2019 but it turns out that Watson was having lunch with his girlfriend or working with a team trainer that day, obviously we would rightfully assume that that person is a liar. Of course they may say they don’t remember and blah blah but they’d lose all credibility at that point... Now if these women come forward with dates, times and locations that all check out, this could get really really ugly for Watson. this plaintiffs’ lawyer may seem sleazy and a little crazy, but it’s safe to assume he’s not stupid. Which means he’s doing at least some perfunctory vetting of these accusers before preparing and filing a complaint - he’s looking at least for some corroborating correspondence between Watson and the woman, verifying her employment and residence, etc... He’s not filing suits on behalf of every woman knocking on his door. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: this plaintiffs’ lawyer may seem sleazy and a little crazy, but it’s safe to assume he’s not stupid. Which means he’s doing at least some perfunctory vetting of these accusers before preparing and filing a complaint - he’s looking at least for some corroborating correspondence between Watson and the woman, verifying her employment and residence, etc... He’s not filing suits on behalf of every woman knocking on his door. We’ll see and if he is doing any vetting he’ll likely ask them the following questions I listed.. date, location and time.. These will be the first questions asked along with, how did you know Mr. Watson? I’m not saying all these women are liars and I’m not saying some of them aren’t telling the truth, but it is up to what? 10 or 12 now? Doubt all of these are legit.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: We’ll see and if he is doing any vetting he’ll likely ask them the following questions I listed.. date, location and time.. These will be the first questions asked along with, how did you know Mr. Watson? I’m not saying all these women are liars and I’m not saying some of them aren’t telling the truth, but it is up to what? 10 or 12 now? Doubt all of these are legit.. worse than that - it’s 12 and the attorney claims he’s looking into 10 more on top of that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 hour ago, RaoulDuke79 said: I'm fairly certain the identities of sexual assault victims are not public information. At a minimum, why not contact the police and a lawyer? The alleged victim's name became public information in the Jameis Winston investigation, and she reportedly received death threats as well as abuse calling her a "slut" and a "*****", and she wound up dropping out of school and leaving the area. As to the police investigation, it featured officers discouraging the alleged victim: “This is a huge football town. You really should think long and hard if you want to press charges.” I'm not saying Winston was guilty of rape, but there were all kinds of deviations between good investigative procedure and how the police conducted that investigation. She later won a civil settlement of $950,000 with the school (it included commitments to conduct sexual assault awareness and prevention programs) and settled with Winston in a civil lawsuit she filed. My point is that there are all kinds of well documented reasons why a person who believes they have experienced a sexual assault by a famous and popular figure might not choose to contact police. As for the lawyer: criminal lawyers need to be paid up front. Civil litigation lawyers work on contingency. 20 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: We’ll see and if he is doing any vetting he’ll likely ask them the following questions I listed.. date, location and time.. These will be the first questions asked along with, how did you know Mr. Watson? I’m not saying all these women are liars and I’m not saying some of them aren’t telling the truth, but it is up to what? 10 or 12 now? Doubt all of these are legit.. I have no opinion one way or the other as to whether the claims are legit because to date, we lack information that would allow us to make any kind of determination. I think the lawyer is a sleeze, and I base that on his conduct as one of the lawyers in the Mario Williams case and on how he's appearing on social media in this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 https://www.nfl.com/news/texans-qb-deshaun-watson-facing-four-new-lawsuits-bringing-total-to-seven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 (edited) Trade Value Flushed at this point until it is all cleared up. Edited March 19, 2021 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 On the “neighbor” thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 28 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Trade Value Flushed at this point until it is all cleared up. A dozen!? Yeesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, SCBills said: A dozen!? Yeesh. Reports are there are at least 10 more that have contacted him as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 He couldn't find a lawyer with a better name than....Rusty Hardin. I mean honestly. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 22? Was this guy getting a massage after every meal? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, QCity said: 22? Was this guy getting a massage after every meal? You don’t? 😳 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 6 hours ago, Reed83HOF said: That's why I said I kid I kid But if you sign up to be a lawyer, I mean it comes with the job 🤣🤣 What do you call it when a bus load of lawyers drives off a cliff? a good start. *buh dum tssss* 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Rusty. Hardin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 I love it that the lawyer says he knows nothing about the timing of free agency...hilarious. With that said when it’s seven women it’s also not likely something to look away from either. This isn’t going away in a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 At some point does the ever increasing number of claimants become suspicious? You’re saying 22 people had these experiences and didn’t say anything? Not saying that’s impossible, but it seems harder to reconcile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 36 minutes ago, aristocrat said: He couldn't find a lawyer with a better name than....Rusty Hardin. I mean honestly. Rusty Hardin is a BALLER. He used to have segments and guest spots on CourtTV back in the day. Actually, I think he might be past his prime now, but uses the name, and hopefully some good associates, to keep the Rusty Hardin train rollin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Wow, Watson has been a source of a lot of news lately. Reminds me of when Antonio Brown couldn't stop making headlines a while ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 14 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Wow, Watson has been a source of a lot of news lately. Reminds me of when Antonio Brown couldn't stop making headlines a while ago. And he ended up getting a ring... This is scary on all sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: On the “neighbor” thing “Cal or Hal or whatever his name is” Sounds legit 🙄 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 22 hours ago, RaoulDuke79 said: 7 charges now? How does this man find time to play football with all of these "alleged" shenanigans going on. Offseason and days off. He appears to be a off specialist. 13 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: Just an aside - i love how 20+ of you flow in to this thread and basically have the same joke about this and think you’re clever. Hopefully a purge is coming SDS. You have repeated same cheap shot posts as others many times. Same rule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 6 hours ago, Frat-Train said: I’d love to see the numbers vs celebrities and athletes. I’d imagine the ratio of truth and success is quite different. Imagination can any way you wish. You could imagine yourself going to story about giving him a massage and he went to far. "imagine" is the wrong term. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 1 hour ago, QCity said: 22? Was this guy getting a massage after every meal? You only eat 22 times per year? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frat-Train Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 13 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Imagination can any way you wish. You could imagine yourself going to story about giving him a massage and he went to far. "imagine" is the wrong term. Pretty common phrase and term, but feel free to nitpick the words all you want, despite it not being “too” wrong at all. Have a great evening!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 2 hours ago, aristocrat said: He couldn't find a lawyer with a better name than....Rusty Hardin. I mean honestly. Phil McCracken wouldn’t take the case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: At some point does the ever increasing number of claimants become suspicious? I don't know. More than 265 maybe? If someone turns out to have a repeating pattern of behavior, why is it the number of repeats that's suspicious, and not the behavior? Again: I am not saying Watson did these things. I find this specific lawyer distasteful, and not credible in his press/SM appearances. But in the end, it's not about the lawyer's sleaze factor, it's about whether or not the accusers are credible and whether/how much corroborating evidence there may be. And that's unknown at present. Quote You’re saying 22 people had these experiences and didn’t say anything? Not saying that’s impossible, but it seems harder to reconcile. Larry Nassar was accused of sexual abuse by more than 265 different women over more than 2 decades - who didn't say anything, until someone did. And there turned out to be immense amounts of evidence, some kept by Nassar himself. 😱 Again to be clear, I'm not saying Watson is anything like Larry Nassar, or that he even abused 1 woman in any way at this point. I'm just saying that the idea that a large number of women may individually experience abuse yet also individually make "career decisions" to keep quiet, see-and-avoid, and keep on keepin' on does not seem hard to reconcile to me, given other cases that have come out. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frat-Train Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't know. More than 265 maybe? If someone turns out to have a repeating pattern of behavior, why is it the number of repeats that's suspicious, and not the behavior? Again: I am not saying Watson did these things. I find this specific lawyer distasteful, and not credible in his press/SM appearances. But in the end, it's not about the lawyer's sleaze factor, it's about whether or not the accusers are credible and whether/how much corroborating evidence there may be. And that's unknown at present. Larry Nassar was accused of sexual abuse by more than 265 different women over more than 2 decades - who didn't say anything, until someone did. And there turned out to be immense amounts of evidence, some kept by Nassar himself. 😱 Again to be clear, I'm not saying Watson is anything like Larry Nassar, or that he even abused 1 woman in any way at this point. I'm just saying that the idea that a large number of women may individually experience abuse yet also individually make "career decisions" to keep quiet, see-and-avoid, and keep on keepin' on does not seem hard to reconcile to me, given other cases that have come out. It’s just an awful situation, all around. There are so many ways to look at this and make guesses, but for me, the more that come forward, the less skeptical I become. that is, provided I DON’T look at the lawyer representing the plaintiffs, because that guy is a disposable feminine hygiene product. It’s hard to imagine almost 12-15 people being involved in such an elaborate hoax, but stranger things, I guess. Ugh... No winners here. Just a crap situation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Frat-Train said: It’s just an awful situation, all around. There are so many ways to look at this and make guesses, but for me, the more that come forward, the less skeptical I become. that is, provided I DON’T look at the lawyer representing the plaintiffs, because that guy is a disposable feminine hygiene product. It’s hard to imagine almost 12-15 people being involved in such an elaborate hoax, but stranger things, I guess. Ugh... No winners here. Just a crap situation. You made me snort coffee. And yeah, I got the same reaction to the lawyer. He reminds me of something I'd prefer to avoid stepping in. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 On 3/18/2021 at 7:34 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: Correct, it is a civil suit and there appear to be no references to prior criminal investigations much less charges This just has a Jack Easterby feel to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 1 hour ago, stuvian said: This just has a Jack Easterby feel to it I don’t think that’s it but could you imagine? I mean if you were right it’d be a bone-shattering scandal for the NFL. i don’t think that’s the case tho. Watson may not be as squeaky clean as we thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, whatdrought said: At some point does the ever increasing number of claimants become suspicious? You’re saying 22 people had these experiences and didn’t say anything? Not saying that’s impossible, but it seems harder to reconcile. I would say it was hard to believe but then you look into the recent past of celebs and people in power and it doesn't seem so hard to see. How does Matt Lauer go for so many years without a single woman doing anything... The guy had a little button under his desk to keep them from leaving his office. Yet all we got was this very nice guy who basically was the love of millions on TV. Bill Cosby was drugging women before pudding pops were a thing. Edited March 20, 2021 by TBBills 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 10 hours ago, Locomark said: I love it that the lawyer says he knows nothing about the timing of free agency...hilarious. With that said when it’s seven women it’s also not likely something to look away from either. This isn’t going away in a week. especially as a guy that bought a “draft Johnny football” billboard in Houston previously. he’s got a super sketchy reputation. but doesn’t mean the claims are untrue, just because the attorney is sketchy. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 8 hours ago, Frat-Train said: It’s just an awful situation, all around. There are so many ways to look at this and make guesses, but for me, the more that come forward, the less skeptical I become. that is, provided I DON’T look at the lawyer representing the plaintiffs, because that guy is a disposable feminine hygiene product. It’s hard to imagine almost 12-15 people being involved in such an elaborate hoax, but stranger things, I guess. Ugh... No winners here. Just a crap situation. i tend to skew the same direction on volume of accusations but know that it can be a dangerous assumption. I would try hard not to carry it into a jury pool but over a beer with friends it’s easy to express that the volume carries credibility 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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