Mcshay Mock has Najee Harris to Buffalo

[Ga boy]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I actually think they may consider Singletary and Moss closer in performance than they thought when they drafted Moss, with Moss better at finding a few yards on his own.

 

What I think might happen is that Beane will try to swing a trade for Singletary and then pick up a vet running back he sees as an improvement.  But that's just a wild-assed guess.

 

But first round pick at RB - let's just say he'd better be a true difference making player because I agree with your assessment that to fix the run game, the OL run blocking needs fixed.

I'd like the board to give OL line draft options at 30.  I don't think Henry would get many 100 yard games behind this line, so why would we think one of these guys would be a difference maker.  As I've suggested elsewhere, Brady won because his OLs were usually the strongest units on his teams.  Let's do the same for Josh.  Go Bills!!

[HappyDays]

19 minutes ago, bobobonators said:

Fair enough. I just feel this offense isnt the kind of offense, as Allen continues to evolve, that is going to dump it off to the RB 10x a game in the passing game. Allen is looking to make plays downfield. 
 

That being said, i do agree that a more explosive/homerun threat at rb would be nice. A first round pick though? 
 

Drafting a RB would be three consecutive years we draft a RB in the first 3 rounds. In a passing league,

or during any era, thats kinda nutty. 

 

The way I see it, picking at 30 is hard. The only blue chip players available will probably be Harris or Etienne. Anyone else you're gambling if they'll ever be a consistent starter. One way or another this offense needs one more upper tier player or else teams will copy KC's plan of bracketing Diggs and Beasley. I don't care if the upper tier player is a RB. If it takes our offense to another level this year I'm all for it.

 

Allen needs to be comfortable with dumping passes to his RB. That is an effective way to win if defenses are giving up those easy yards. Right now he isn't comfortable doing that for good reason.

[BullBuchanan]

On 2/10/2021 at 4:24 PM, Ray Finkel said:

Hope he can play edge, linebacker, corner and interior line.

We have more than one hole on this team, and RB is a massive one. We have three backups rotating as starters right now.

[Charles Romes]

You don’t need to spend a first rounder on a running back. You can get a good one in the third. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Allen needs to be comfortable with dumping passes to his RB. That is an effective way to win if defenses are giving up those easy yards. Right now he isn't comfortable doing that for good reason.

 

Do you really think it's on Singletary (or Moss, or Knox) and not just on Allen not wanting to take the checkdown? 

 

Overall this season Motor had a 76% catch % and a 6% drop rate which isn't top-notch for an RB but it's not horrid either.

He did have a bad drop in the AFC champ. game but we shouldn't kill a guy for 1 play either

[hjnick]

What about a TE that can really block. 

 

I heard the TE from Penn State is huge and can really block and catch.

 

He helps the pass and run game.  We could also actually put 2 TE's out there at the same time and pass or run in that formation.

 

Maybe that would help out the running game a little?

[HappyDays]

54 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Do you really think it's on Singletary (or Moss, or Knox) and not just on Allen not wanting to take the checkdown? 

 

Allen definitely needs to learn to be more willing to take check downs. He did it more this year which was good progress, just needs to keep improving. But when he did there was no chance of getting extra yards out of it. Our RB screen game was also horrible this year.

 

It's really hard to have a consistently elite offense with nothing but WRs. The Seahawks had the same problem this year. Eventually teams will just ignore your TEs and RBs because they know you won't punish them for it.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Allen definitely needs to learn to be more willing to take check downs. He did it more this year which was good progress, just needs to keep improving. But when he did there was no chance of getting extra yards out of it. Our RB screen game was also horrible this year.

 

It's really hard to have a consistently elite offense with nothing but WRs. The Seahawks had the same problem this year. Eventually teams will just ignore your TEs and RBs because they know you won't punish them for it.

 

So watching film, there are times when I see an open checkdown with so much freakin' green in front of him he could plant a tree farm on the way downfield.

 

Where does this "no chance of getting extra yards out of it" come from then?  Is it because Allen delays taking it until the defense figures out he's forced into it and the yards are gone?

 

And absolutely, in some games teams ignored our TE and RB because they could.   I just don't necessarily put that on the TE and the RB.  They did their job.  They are standing there open.  Now if they drop balls or fumble in practice, I don't know.

 

41 minutes ago, hjnick said:

What about a TE that can really block. 

 

I heard the TE from Penn State is huge and can really block and catch.

 

He helps the pass and run game.  We could also actually put 2 TE's out there at the same time and pass or run in that formation.

 

Maybe that would help out the running game a little?

 

A consistent blocking TE would for sure help the run game, but for a 2 TE formation who do you want to take off the field?  12 set means only 2 WR. 

 

And you really kind of need dual threat guys.  Lee Smith can really block, but no one is concerned about him as a receiver.

 

What's the Penn State guys name?

[HappyDays]

10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Where does this "no chance of getting extra yards out of it" come from then?  Is it because Allen delays taking it until the defense figures out he's forced into it and the yards are gone?

 

There were several times this year where he threw it to Singletary with plenty of space to run and he either dropped the pass or stumbled or ran so slow out of the catch that the defense caught up to him. He was honestly terrible this year. The only thing he did well was pass block, which is fine, but we need more from the position. Allen on the whole does need to make quicker decisions and take easier throws when they are there. But we also called a lot of long developing pass plays and I don't want him immediately taking a 4 yard check down to our slow RB when waiting an extra couple seconds could mean Diggs comes open 20 yards downfield. Daboll tried to get the RBs involved all season long and it just never worked. Most plays designed for the RBs to get the ball, running or passing, were wasted downs.

 

Harris gets you power and vision, Etienne gets you game breaking speed. Either skill set would give our offense another element that defenses actually have to worry about. No DC lies awake at night thinking about Singletary and Moss, Pete Carroll the lone exception. Also Allen likes to throw to players he trusts which is why Diggs and Beasley were by far his two favorite options this year. I'm not gonna blame him too much for looking beyond the RBs.

Edited February 12, 2021 by HappyDays

[Mr. K]

No way they take a RB first round. Too many other needs plus two cost control rookie deals. Cant argue against needing an upgrade at the position though.

[Norcalbillsfan]

I would love a great athlete at RB, but our need at LB could be absolutely dire this year. If we took 2 LBs in a row I wouldn't bat an eye. Then roll the dice on a speedy rb in late rounds, or sign a team friendly deal on a speedy FA RB.

[Norcalbillsfan]

1 hour ago, Charles Romes said:

You don’t need to spend a first rounder on a running back. You can get a good one in the third. 

Especially for what we need, we don't really need a generational talent bell cow. We just need that rb with difference making speed that can catch a dump off from josh and can out run LBs and make defenses have to account for swing pass, screen, or even draws.

[Norcalbillsfan]

45 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Allen definitely needs to learn to be more willing to take check downs. He did it more this year which was good progress, just needs to keep improving. But when he did there was no chance of getting extra yards out of it. Our RB screen game was also horrible this year.

 

It's really hard to have a consistently elite offense with nothing but WRs. The Seahawks had the same problem this year. Eventually teams will just ignore your TEs and RBs because they know you won't punish them for it.

Allen works off trust, he trusts Beasley and diggs to make a tough catch or even make a defender miss and pick up the first. Singletary never really provided that on passes, mainly cuz a LB can catch Singletary from behind. He didn't have that burst. I really don't think it was the drops or Allen not willing to take an easy dump off, I think its more Allen trusting literally any other player on the feild to make a play on a pass over Singletary.

[djp14150]

On 2/10/2021 at 5:33 PM, Buffarukus said:

this seems like a lazy take. bills couldnt run. has to be the back! couldnt be the line or scheme. cover one did a good anaylisis and do to the constant shift in o line theres somthing our coaches just didn't like. it would be great to get a upgrade at any position but i dont see rb as a top need unless it bpa

 

BPA is the only way I see buffalo drafting a RB but he’d have to be top 12 on their board.

[PrimeTime101]

13 hours ago, bobobonators said:

Fair enough. I just feel this offense isnt the kind of offense, as Allen continues to evolve, that is going to dump it off to the RB 10x a game in the passing game. Allen is looking to make plays downfield. 
 

That being said, i do agree that a more explosive/homerun threat at rb would be nice. A first round pick though? 
 

Drafting a RB would be three consecutive years we draft a RB in the first 3 rounds. In a passing league,

or during any era, thats kinda nutty. 

drafting mid rounds and drafting round 1 is totally different .. we went up to the bat twice at mid rounds and wiffed.. now we try earlier

[hjnick]

9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

So watching film, there are times when I see an open checkdown with so much freakin' green in front of him he could plant a tree farm on the way downfield.

 

Where does this "no chance of getting extra yards out of it" come from then?  Is it because Allen delays taking it until the defense figures out he's forced into it and the yards are gone?

 

And absolutely, in some games teams ignored our TE and RB because they could.   I just don't necessarily put that on the TE and the RB.  They did their job.  They are standing there open.  Now if they drop balls or fumble in practice, I don't know.

 

 

A consistent blocking TE would for sure help the run game, but for a 2 TE formation who do you want to take off the field?  12 set means only 2 WR. 

 

And you really kind of need dual threat guys.  Lee Smith can really block, but no one is concerned about him as a receiver.

 

What's the Penn State guys name?

Friementh or something like that, the TE from PennSt.

 

Right now, you take Beaz off the field and leave Gabe and Diggs on the field.

 

If both TE's are receiving threats, I think that formation can really work. especially in crunch time when we need to run the ball and get 10 yards to ice the game.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, hjnick said:

Right now, you take Beaz off the field and leave Gabe and Diggs on the field.

 

I think Beas has earned more than that.

[hjnick]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think Beas has earned more than that.

Well, it's not like we are going to play 2 TE's the whole time.  I really like Beas and I hope we sign him to an extension. He has been great for the team.

 

Could you play Beas opposite of Diggs in a 2 TE set?  or is that what you would do instead of Gabe?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, hjnick said:

Well, it's not like we are going to play 2 TE's the whole time.  I really like Beas and I hope we sign him to an extension. He has been great for the team.

 

Could you play Beas opposite of Diggs in a 2 TE set?  or is that what you would do instead of Gabe?

 

I guess my overall feeling is that we need to put the best players on the field.  If we waved a magic wand and suddenly had Kittle and Kelce at TE obviously we'd want to run 2 TE sets.  If somehow Knox comes back like a Tiger and we draft a top TE and the TE we have are arguably as good or better playmakers, sure.  But until we see that, Beasley is one of our top playmakers and he should be on the field.

 

Davis has been a bit more uneven.  There are games where he's been a difference maker and games where he's dropped passes or otherwise not made plays that he could.  I'm not an expert, but his route running has been uneven.  Now he was a rookie, and he could take a big step this next season.  But overall he belongs on the field (in the passing and downfield blocking game) more than Knox as of this point.

 

If you're talking just run 2 TE sets a bit more than we do, given an upgrade at TE, sure.  We ran 91 plays at 12 set last season.  That's almost 6 plays per game.  I suspect that what you'd like to see, isn't so much more use of 2 TE sets as more notable results when we do use them.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Just read 2 mocks, one has a us trading up to #21 for a CB, other has us trading back to #37, believe it was for a tackle.

 

In other words, who knows what will happen.

[BullBuchanan]

On 2/11/2021 at 11:38 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

Where does this "no chance of getting extra yards out of it" come from then?  Is it because Allen delays taking it until the defense figures out he's forced into it and the yards are gone?

Allen holds the ball longer than just about anyone, so there are a lot of situations where his safety valve doesn't have much opportunity for YAC. I'd like to see him get better at identifying when the checkdown is the best option quickly. The way he plays now allows for a lot of huge plays, but it can be a killer if those don't materialize. Guys like Brady made their careers within a few yards of the LoS. If Josh can do that as well as drill the ball in tight windows down the field, no one will be able to stop him. There were a couple games this year (don't remember off the top of my head) where I remember him getting rid of the ball super quick and just marching down the field with pace. I think that's when he's the most dangerous.

Edited February 13, 2021 by BullBuchanan

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Allen holds the ball longer than just about anyone, so there are a lot of situations where his safety valve doesn't have much opportunity for YAC. I'd like to see him get better at identifying when the checkdown is the best option quickly. The way he plays now allows for a lot of huge plays, but it can be a killer if those don't materialize. Guys like Brady made their careers within a few yards of the LoS. If Josh can do that as well as drill the ball in tight windows down the field, no one will be able to stop him. There were a couple games this year 9don't remember off the top of my head) where I remember him getting rid of the ball super quick and just marching down the field with pace. I think that's when he's the most dangerous.

 

Well, for example, in the 3rd Q of the first Chiefs game, he went 5 for 5 and just flew down the field for a TD.

 

I have trouble knowing if I should trust what I think I see, but my perception is that there are times when if Allen just pulled the trigger quickly - not always to Singletary, sometimes to Beasley or Knox - they could get YAC.  I don't know the decision making process there.

 

1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

Just read 2 mocks, one has a us trading up to #21 for a CB, other has us trading back to #37, believe it was for a tackle.

 

In other words, who knows what will happen.

 

A trade up to #21 for a CB sounds like just the thing here (ducking)

[TheFunPolice]

I had a dream last night that the Bills traded out of the first round... no idea what happened next though

 

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

18 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

I had a dream last night that the Bills traded out of the first round... no idea what happened next though

 

 

 

I'm good with it...  The team needed top end talent to make the jump to division leader.  They added diggs.  You need to keep reloading to stay at the top. 

 

To stay on top you have to keep bringing along depth so when players leave, you have good young players who are chomping at the bit to win a starting job.

[GreggTX]

No RB in round 1 please. There are plenty available in FA and the 2 we have are decent if not great. A CB or edge rusher would be a far better pick if there's value there. If not, take the best OL available. Please no RB or LB in round 1. That said, it's time for Beane to start nailing these 1st round picks. Josh has been his only solid value in round 1 or 2 thus far.

[DJB]

18 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

I had a dream last night that the Bills traded out of the first round... no idea what happened next though

 

 

 

Dang!

 

I was awaiting with baited breath on what was going to happen. 

 

Now my day is ruined. 

Edited February 13, 2021 by DJB

[Figster]

2 hours ago, GreggTX said:

No RB in round 1 please. There are plenty available in FA and the 2 we have are decent if not great. A CB or edge rusher would be a far better pick if there's value there. If not, take the best OL available. Please no RB or LB in round 1. That said, it's time for Beane to start nailing these 1st round picks. Josh has been his only solid value in round 1 or 2 thus far.

You know I could actually live with this If T J Yeldon was one of the two RB's and Buffalo drafts the best TE on the board. Pitts perhaps.

 

My dream has a bama back field of T J Yeldon and Najee Harris. ( nailed it )

 

Najeeeeeeeee!!! The opposition!!!

 

A man can dream...

Edited February 13, 2021 by Figster

[below]

On 2/10/2021 at 6:12 PM, NewEra said:

if we’re going to draft a Rb in rd 1, I’d prefer to get a draft pick in return for one of our previous 3rd rd picks.  I don’t think we’d get anything for Motor.  Would you trade for him?  Might be able to get a 4-6th for Moss.  I think we’d only be able to get a 7th for singletary, if we were lucky.

 

 

 

Singletary would probably net a 5th rounder in a trade.

[NewEra]

26 minutes ago, below said:

Singletary would probably net a 5th rounder in a trade.

Maybe.  I doubt he’d yield anything more than a 7th.  

[Eastport bills]

If Milano, who is misjudging his value on the reduced cap landscape, is gone, we don't have the luxury of drafting a back. We must go defense with an a versatile LB who can cover a tight end or RB and rush the passer. The other vital need is an edge rusher. 

 

 

[FLFan]

If Beane drafted a RB in that spot, with multiple holes on OL, DL, and a glaring need in the secondary, they should rescind his Exec of the Year award.  That would be beyond dumb.  Unless of course those holes were filled before the draft, which seems highly unlikely given the cap situation.  

[Sweats]

I would absolutely love Harris to Buffalo, however, he'll be gone before the 20th pick.....bank on it.

[Logic]

I just don’t see why people still want to draft running backs in round 1in the year 2021. 
 

Unless they are rare dual threat talents like Saquon Barkley or Christian McCaffrey — and your team is otherwise so good/stacked that you can afford the luxury — I don’t see the logic or value. 

[Chicken Boo]

You draft the most talented guy you can at a position of need.  RB is a position of need, therefore it is in play.

 

 

[Sweats]

49 minutes ago, Logic said:

I just don’t see why people still want to draft running backs in round 1in the year 2021. 
 

Unless they are rare dual threat talents like Saquon Barkley or Christian McCaffrey — and your team is otherwise so good/stacked that you can afford the luxury — I don’t see the logic or value. 

 

 

 

Have you ever watched Harris play?.....the kid is generational 

[BobbyC81]

On 2/10/2021 at 2:08 PM, 78thealltimegreat said:

Jeremy White was saying similar things the other day..I could see other positions obviously too but it is interesting to see the national media now starting to link the Bills to RBs  

Zierlien of NFL.com has the same pick for the Bills.

[Rochesterfan]

1 hour ago, Sweats said:

 

 

 

Have you ever watched Harris play?.....the kid is generational 

 

I just do not think so.  

 

The kid looks slow/average with an offense line that was worlds better than the defenses they were playing.  Maybe he will excel, but on Alabama his OLine was so much better that he really had very little to do as a RB.

 

In the NFL - I think he is maybe a slightly better version of Moss.  Based upon NFL needs - I am not sure he is the best RB in the draft - let alone generational.  He certainly is not being talked about like Barkley, CMC, Elliott range of guys - real generational talent that were all still over drafted.

 

He seems more in the Sony Michel, CEH level of RB (late first early second) - nothing wrong with them, but nothing significantly better than RBs picked in later rounds and even several Undrafted FA RBs.  In the post season CEH was outplayed by UDFA Williams for KC.  You have Michel - a first round pick outplayed by another  former Alabama RB in Damien Harris (a third round pick) and both were on par to Singletary and Moss.

 

I think Harris can play - if you stick him on a run heavy team with a Run blocking OL - like Tenn or Baltimore.  I think in a pass first offense with a pass first OL - Harris becomes a JAG and I would rather see the Bills go after a speed back in a later round - rather than Harris in RD 1 with a wasted 5th year option.

 

I would feel better about Harris if we moved back into RD 2 - the 10-15 range and picked up some extra picks.

[Figster]

18 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

I just do not think so.  

 

The kid looks slow/average with an offense line that was worlds better than the defenses they were playing.  Maybe he will excel, but on Alabama his OLine was so much better that he really had very little to do as a RB.

 

In the NFL - I think he is maybe a slightly better version of Moss.  Based upon NFL needs - I am not sure he is the best RB in the draft - let alone generational.  He certainly is not being talked about like Barkley, CMC, Elliott range of guys - real generational talent that were all still over drafted.

 

He seems more in the Sony Michel, CEH level of RB (late first early second) - nothing wrong with them, but nothing significantly better than RBs picked in later rounds and even several Undrafted FA RBs.  In the post season CEH was outplayed by UDFA Williams for KC.  You have Michel - a first round pick outplayed by another  former Alabama RB in Damien Harris (a third round pick) and both were on par to Singletary and Moss.

 

I think Harris can play - if you stick him on a run heavy team with a Run blocking OL - like Tenn or Baltimore.  I think in a pass first offense with a pass first OL - Harris becomes a JAG and I would rather see the Bills go after a speed back in a later round - rather than Harris in RD 1 with a wasted 5th year option.

 

I would feel better about Harris if we moved back into RD 2 - the 10-15 range and picked up some extra picks.

The slighter better RB than Moss anology is underestimating the potential of Najee Harris IMO. I realize Alabama provides very good running conditions. Alabama also recruits some of the best RB's in the nation. In his final season with the tide Najee Harris scored 30 TD's total ground and air with 1,891 total yards ground and air. Averaging 5.8 yards a carry. ( Derrick Henrys last season with Alabama 5.7 ) I'm not sure Bama wins a Championship without the scoring machine named Najee Harris IMO.

 

So while I wouldn't go as far as saying generational yet. If your looking for the next Thurman Thomas Najee Harris could be that guy in my humble opinion. I realize drafting Harris is going to require reaching higher then you probably should IMO. Still, intelligent. highly motivated.  I think Harris is an exceptional athlete at the RB position that does it all and would fit very well in the process IMO.

 

With all due respect

Edited February 15, 2021 by Figster

[NewEra]

20 hours ago, Sweats said:

 

 

 

Have you ever watched Harris play?.....the kid is generational 

I love Harris and wouldn’t be mad if we drafted him but I don’t view him as a generational back at all.  Adrian Peterson and Barkley are the only backs that I viewed as “generational” in the last 20 years.  Look at all the back drafted in the top 20.....Harris likely isn’t even going in the top 20.  Best back in the draft. Sure.  Generational?  I disagree 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2018/04/19/highest-drafted-running-backs-since-1998/amp/

[LABILLBACKER]

On 2/12/2021 at 8:12 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I guess my overall feeling is that we need to put the best players on the field.  If we waved a magic wand and suddenly had Kittle and Kelce at TE obviously we'd want to run 2 TE sets.  If somehow Knox comes back like a Tiger and we draft a top TE and the TE we have are arguably as good or better playmakers, sure.  But until we see that, Beasley is one of our top playmakers and he should be on the field.

 

Davis has been a bit more uneven.  There are games where he's been a difference maker and games where he's dropped passes or otherwise not made plays that he could.  I'm not an expert, but his route running has been uneven.  Now he was a rookie, and he could take a big step this next season.  But overall he belongs on the field (in the passing and downfield blocking game) more than Knox as of this point.

 

If you're talking just run 2 TE sets a bit more than we do, given an upgrade at TE, sure.  We ran 91 plays at 12 set last season.  That's almost 6 plays per game.  I suspect that what you'd like to see, isn't so much more use of 2 TE sets as more notable results when we do use them.

I want to at least have the capacity to throw to either TE. Right now it's an inconsistent Knox and no one else. 12 personnel not only helps Josh in pass protection but it can afford him a safety valve. Davis will improve in his 2nd season but we still need to continue the search for a better RB or TE.

On 2/12/2021 at 11:38 AM, TheFunPolice said:

I had a dream last night that the Bills traded out of the first round... no idea what happened next though

 

 

That's one way of getting a 4th round pick.