Is Russell Wilson The Next QB To Be On The Move - Tensions Seem To Be Growing

[corta765]

1 hour ago, H2o said:

It's been discussed in here that many of the times Russell gets hit is by his own making. Seattle has won a SB, should have won a 2nd, and the FO has been widely praised over the years for the most part. They are not a bad run organization by any stretch of the imagination. My point is these players choose to sign contracts for the sake of getting that big $$$, but then want to play the tiny violin or believe they are entitled to powers outside of the lane they're in. Buffalo trading for Diggs, a perceived malcontent, is not the same as a player getting a case of the red arse over not being involved in personnel decisions. There was an obvious rift between him and Cousins then displeasure of the offense he was in with how he was being used. 

i don’t disagree that you sign this big contract but get pissed when you don’t have help. Flacco successfully lost his top two TEs and Torrey Smith when he signed his deal. Maybe if he took less he doesn’t lose all of them. Say what you want on Brady but I always thought it was smart that he took less so he could get help

[Beast]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Colts? San Fran? He’d make Miami a contender too imo. 
 

 

The Bills laid 50 something points on the Fish in a game that meant everything to Miami. I think they are a long way feom being a contender for anything regardless of who their QB is.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

4 minutes ago, Beast said:

 

The Bills laid 50 something points on the Fish in a game that meant everything to Miami. I think they are a long way feom being a contender for anything regardless of who their QB is.

that game went horribly wrong for them. Isaiah McKenzie had the fluke game of his life. I hear this to some degree but they aren’t as bad as that game, and RW is better than anything they’ve trotted out at QB since Danny. 

[BuffaloBills1998]

On 2/10/2021 at 8:02 AM, Rc2catch said:

I don’t know, I think given Carroll’s age they’d just fire him if it really came down to it. 
In this scenario I can see Wilson having more flex in the organization. 
I can’t see any scenario where he is actually moved but I’ve been shocked before. 
 

They can’t fire Carroll now, they just gave him an extension. I think there’s a good chance that Russell will be gone. 

3 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Colts? San Fran? He’d make Miami a contender too imo. 
 

 

3 hours ago, Beast said:

Do it, Beane! Allen for Wilson straight up!

 

Nah!!!!     

 

Seriously, if he is on the market I know one darkhorse team I'd hate to see him end up on....

 

Baltimore

Interesting. A straight up trade, Wilson for Jackson

[BuffaloBills1998]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/02/11/report-more-teams-reaching-out-to-seahawks-about-russell-wilson/ 
 

I guess he is on the move. Wonder who’s calling Seattle for him

[MJS]

I can't imagine Josh Allen ever demanding to have a say in personnel decisions. He seems content to worry about getting himself better and letting the coaches and front office do their jobs.

 

Of course, there has to be a level of trust established. If Beane starts making super questionable moves and ignores key offensive positions, maybe that would be frustrating for a QB, but even then I don't see Josh Allen making such frustrations known.

 

Does anybody know if there are players with that kind of personnel power? I think definately Brady has had some input with the signings of Gronk and Antonio Brown, maybe others. Doesn't seem like Rodgers has any say. I can't imagine Mahomes does. I wouldn't be surprised if Peyton Manning had some input back in his day, especially in Denver.

Edited February 11, 2021 by MJS

[TBBills]

Just a little FYI Russell isn't going anywhere.

55 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

They can’t fire Carroll now, they just gave him an extension. I think there’s a good chance that Russell will be gone. 

 

Interesting. A straight up trade, Wilson for Jackson

It doesn't matter if they gave him an extension. He wouldn't be any cap casualty b.c he is a HC. We have seen HC and GMs get canned after an extension.

[Sundancer]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

He mentions how infrequently Tom Brady gets hit.  But he has to realize how Tom Brady controls that, as well.  He gets rid of the ball super-fast, either throwing it to someone or throwing it away.

 

 

I'm not sure I've ever seen a QB with better pocket presence than Brady. This is why he's lasted so long. I hope Josh can develop that because running Josh will not play until he's 43. 

 

Bills fans said for two decades, "We need to get in Brady's face and rattle him." Still waiting for that to happen. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

I'm not sure I've ever seen a QB with better pocket presence than Brady. This is why he's lasted so long. I hope Josh can develop that because running Josh will not play until he's 43. 

 

Bills fans said for two decades, "We need to get in Brady's face and rattle him." Still waiting for that to happen. 

 

The only teams that did it successfully were the ones who could blanket the middle of the field to limit Welker/Edelman and Gronk while they brought pressure with 4

[BuffaloBills1998]

7 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Just a little FYI Russell isn't going anywhere.

It doesn't matter if they gave him an extension. He wouldn't be any cap casualty b.c he is a HC. We have seen HC and GMs get canned after an extension.

Well that’s stupid and pointless to give a coach or gm an extension only to fire them shortly after. And FYI if Russell wants off the team he’s gone. I think the Seahawks have been wanting to get rid of him for a couple of years now. I mean hell they offered us Wilson and some picks in exchange for Allen. I think both parties are done with one another, Russell keeps bitching about not getting enough protection but he refuses to take a pay cut so the team would be able to Surround them with protection and more weapons. Honestly though if Russell does leave it’ll be a blessing in disguise for Seattle. I’ve said it time and time again , Russell is not a team player he’s a ME player.

[billsfan89]

If I am Miami I am calling up Seattle and Houston and pushing all in to acquire either Watson or Wilson. I would easily for Wilson give up picks 3, 18, 50 and 123 in 2021 and a 1st and 3rd (swapped with a 5th from Seattle) in 2022. Miami is a QB away from being a contending team and I have to hope that they don't land one of those top two QB's via trade. 

[Beast]

3 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

that game went horribly wrong for them. Isaiah McKenzie had the fluke game of his life. I hear this to some degree but they aren’t as bad as that game, and RW is better than anything they’ve trotted out at QB since Danny. 

 

Top to bottom IMO, even taking out the QB position, Seattle is a much better team than Miami.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

On 2/10/2021 at 11:15 AM, H2o said:

I agree. It's almost starting to feel NBA-esque to me as this has been going on in that league for years now. The problem is if you give an inch they take a mile and the players are starting to act as if they are the CEO instead of an employee. 

Specifically referencing LeBron in some of his comments lends credence to this shift in thought perhaps?

[Reader]

26 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The only teams that did it successfully were the ones who could blanket the middle of the field to limit Welker/Edelman and Gronk while they brought pressure with 4

 

To add to that I don't know if any QB has done a better job with the outside of football work such as nutrition, considering how their contract will affect their team, etc...

[Mr. WEO]

22 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

This ^^^. Wilson's sack rate has ALWAYS been high. It was 9.8 percent in 2013, the year they won the SB, and they had a good line that season. It's a product of the way he plays. If you're going to complete those bombs on plays that have broken down, you've got to wait a bit before throwing. Sometimes you get it off and get a 50 yard TD; sometimes you get sacked. He gets sacked a lot because of this, but it's worth the price because he's so damn good. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WilsRu00.htm.

 

It's the broken down plays that lead him to play the way he does (the way he has too).  Having a few seasons of decent to mediocre pass protection doesn't negate the more typically lacking O-line he has played behind.  I'm sure he would rather play more in a stable pocket.  His experience in Seattle hasn't often been that.  He's now speaking out about exactly this.

 

If he was not as mobile as he is, he would get sacked more and quicker.  He was pressured in 43.8% of his drop-backs....worst in the NFL.  That's real.

 

Imagine Brady behind the typical Seahawks O-line?  He would have been out of the game years ago.

[BuffaloRebound]

If there’s the slightest opening to get a deal done, Gruden will make this happen.  He didn’t come out of retirement to go 8-8 with Derek Carr forever.  You know that Chucky is dying to get Wilson or Watson. 

[gobills404]

I can see why both these guys are unhappy. They've taken more sacks than Michael Sam.

[BuffaloBills1998]

3 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

If there’s the slightest opening to get a deal done, Gruden will make this happen.  He didn’t come out of retirement to go 8-8 with Derek Carr forever.  You know that Chucky is dying to get Wilson or Watson. 

I think gruden will do anything over carr at this point. There was a statement put out that next year is the do or die year for both Gruden and Mayock. 

[stinky finger]

3 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

If there’s the slightest opening to get a deal done, Gruden will make this happen.  He didn’t come out of retirement to go 8-8 with Derek Carr forever.  You know that Chucky is dying to get Wilson or Watson. 

 

Chunky is dying to get to the Dietz and Watson. 

 

 

 

 

[purple haze]

On 2/10/2021 at 8:15 AM, H2o said:

I agree. It's almost starting to feel NBA-esque to me as this has been going on in that league for years now. The problem is if you give an inch they take a mile and the players are starting to act as if they are the CEO instead of an employee. 

Good.  NFL needs a kick in the azz.  The players have none of the guarantees found in other sports and potential for health concerns years from now.  I have no problem with them throwing their weight around.  They are the show.  Nobody is paying to see the weekend Warriors in the park take their place.

[djp14150]

On 2/10/2021 at 10:59 AM, Mr. WEO said:

How many SB contender caliber teams right now are looking for a Franchise QB?  

 

Which of them are better (roster) than, say, Seattle or Green Bay?

 

this is potentially a weird off season with QB moves.

 

teams possibly trading for a QB...

 

Indy

chi

SF

miami

new england

houston

washington

denver

dallas

Vegas

Seattle

 

who could trade a qb 

 

philly

Seattle 

houston

dallas

Miami 

vegas

chicago

jets

jacksonville

 

 

 

[H2o]

10 hours ago, gobills404 said:

I can see why both these guys are unhappy. They've taken more sacks than Michael Sam.

Again, it has been discussed about how Wilson holds the ball too long and the drops he takes that take him away from the would be pocket. Watson holds onto the ball longer than Russ. I'd bet at least 1/4 of these are on the both of them. 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/09/17/john-harbaugh-deshaun-watson-holds-the-ball-longer-than-any-nfl-qb/

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, H2o said:

Again, it has been discussed about how Wilson holds the ball too long and the drops he takes that take him away from the would be pocket. Watson holds onto the ball longer than Russ. I'd bet at least 1/4 of these are on the both of them. 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/09/17/john-harbaugh-deshaun-watson-holds-the-ball-longer-than-any-nfl-qb/

 

 

That article proves that is Harbaughs opinion, not fact.  Even if you go back to the previous season before Harbaugh said that, Watson was 3rd in the NFL at 2.9 seconds (same as Josh).  Wilson was in the middle of the pack for 2019 for Time to Throw.

 

For 2020. Mayfield  held the ball the longest (3.05).  Right behind him....Josh Allen (3.04).  Wilson was 4th at 2.97.  Way back at 11 was Watson (2.85). 

[JMF2006]

Poor baby has been hit more than any other QB in his 9 years in the league......say hello to David Carr  

 

Throw the damned ball Russ then you don't get hit  

 

What a tool.

[transient]

On 2/10/2021 at 11:22 AM, ProcessAccepted said:

Watson is in a poorly run organization. He has not said a word of complaint until this year when a promise that clearly was important to him was broken. Watson can earn the same amount or more in a different organization that he trusts. The fact that the Texans aren't trading him just shows that his value to the team.

 

 

Wouldn’t letting the QB have input on personnel decisions reinforce the fact they’re a poorly run organization? A big part of the reason they’re in the mess they’re in is BO’B, who also wasn’t qualified, was making personnel decisions. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

15 hours ago, gobills404 said:

I can see why both these guys are unhappy. They've taken more sacks than Michael Sam.

 

And their style of play is responsible for a good number of those. Wilson admitted as much the other day in his interview. Talked about buying more time to let the deep routes come open so he can make a play down the field. So if we want to erase some of his sacks from the statistics we will also have to take off a number of his big plays and TD's as well. 

[pigpen65]

Why is it the entire time the Bills were in QB hell after Kelly there were never any good QB's available? Then as soon as the Bills have one the market gets flooded with unbelievably talented QB's? 

[davefan66]

Wilson has turned into a prima donna.  Glad we are set at QB and don’t have to hear “git ‘er done”.  

 

If we needed a QB, wouldn’t take on his salary or pay the cost to trade for him.  Wouldn’t want to mortgage the teams future for him.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 2/10/2021 at 4:28 PM, DrDawkinstein said:

 

All good. It's the offseason for all of us

 

Plus, I dont blame anyone for not wanting to go back into that Watson thread or whatever it's become...

 

"Hi, I don't know what that thread is currently like 'cuz I haven't been back there and for all I know it's back to discussing Watson but I'll take a shot anyway"

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

"Hi, I don't know what that thread is currently like and for all I know it's back to discussing Watson but I'll take a shot anyway"

 

What is this even supposed to mean?

[JoPoy88]

3 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

And their style of play is responsible for a good number of those. Wilson admitted as much the other day in his interview. Talked about buying more time to let the deep routes come open so he can make a play down the field. So if we want to erase some of his sacks from the statistics we will also have to take off a number of his big plays and TD's as well. 

Depends on your definition of “good number.” That number isn’t anywhere near the number of sacks their horrid offensive lines were responsible for.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

40 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

What is this even supposed to mean?

 

apologies, I see my take is obsolete.  Though the thread description "whatever it's become" still seems off 🤷‍♂️

[Chicken Boo]

On 2/10/2021 at 11:15 AM, JGMcD2 said:

San Francisco (won’t happen for obvious reasons) 

 

Indianapolis

 

New Orleans (Cap space will make it nearly impossible) 

 

Washington, with a QB, would be legit!  They have talent everywhere on both sides of the ball.  Denver is interesting...

Edited February 12, 2021 by Chicken Boo

[Mr. WEO]

6 hours ago, JMF2006 said:

Poor baby has been hit more than any other QB in his 9 years in the league......say hello to David Carr  

 

Throw the damned ball Russ then you don't get hit  

 

What a tool.

 

2 hours ago, davefan66 said:

Wilson has turned into a prima donna.  Glad we are set at QB and don’t have to hear “git ‘er done”.  

 

If we needed a QB, wouldn’t take on his salary or pay the cost to trade for him.  Wouldn’t want to mortgage the teams future for him.

 

 

 

 

LOL....these takes.  

 

Seattle stunk for 4 years before Wilson showed up.  Since then, the Seahawks have never had a losing season and won at least 10 games in 8 of 9 years, going to the playoffs in all 8 of those and back to back SBs with a ring. 

 

Other Seattle stars have come and gone, yet he has still carried that team.  In 2017, he scored 37 of the teams 38 TDs.  This season he threw 40 TDs on 13 Ints and, with a crap D, got them to 12-4 in one of only 2 Divisions with only one team with a losing record.

 

He's tired of getting pummeled (after 9 years of it) and now....he's a "prima donna"?  lol

[TheFunPolice]

I'm kind of glad that star QBs are able to put teams feet to the fire. 

 

As much as I delight in dumping on "MVP" Rodgers (and I do) Green Bay has criminally mismanaged that roster. They have an NFC title Game every year (which they lose) and just need some talent to get over the hump, and they burn prime picks on a freaking QB who they don't even want to play for several years?

 

They couldn't have used another offensive weapon vs Tampa? 

 

Meanwhile, you're Aaron Rodgers, reading the Bills message board dreaming of playing for the red, white, and blue, and you have to read posts like mine saying you're the paper tiger because your team can't build around you and tries to cheap out at every turn and rely 100% on you to carry them.

 

And when you don't it's because YOU come up short while grandpa in Tampa is so incredible and superhuman. 

 

I could see how that would get REALLY old for guys like Wilson and Rodgers.

 

BTW... Rodgers is a choker. There, had to say it one more time!

 

 

 

 

Edited February 12, 2021 by TheFunPolice

[DrDawkinstein]

6 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

I'm kind of glad that star QBs are able to put teams feet to the fire. 

 

As much as I delight in dumping on "MVP" Rodgers (and I do) Green Bay has criminally mismanaged that roster. They have an NFC title Game every year (which they lose) and just need some talent to get over the hump, and they burn prime picks on a freaking QB who they don't even want to play for several years?

 

They couldn't have used another offensive weapon vs Tampa? 

 

Meanwhile, you're Aaron Rodgers, reading the Bills message board dreaming of playing for the red, white, and blue, and you have to read posts like mine saying you're the paper tiger because your team can't build around you and tries to cheap out at every turn and rely 100% on you to carry them.

 

And when you don't it's because YOU come up short while grandpa in Tampa is so incredible and superhuman. 

 

I could see how that would get REALLY old for guys like Wilson and Rodgers.

 

BTW... Rodgers is a choker. There, had to say it one more time!

 

 

 

 

 

How great would it be if Rodgers referenced this post during his next appearance on the Pac McAfee show?

[Chicken Boo]

6 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

I'm kind of glad that star QBs are able to put teams feet to the fire. 

 

As much as I delight in dumping on "MVP" Rodgers (and I do) Green Bay has criminally mismanaged that roster. They have an NFC title Game every year (which they lose) and just need some talent to get over the hump, and they burn prime picks on a freaking QB who they don't even want to play for several years?

 

They couldn't have used another offensive weapon vs Tampa? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Spot on!  Russell and Aaron could be doing exactly what Brady and Mahomes are doing if their front offices put the pieces around them that they need.  It's that simple. 

[TheFunPolice]

Brady is a big part of this.

 

These young guys want rings, because they play in an era where an old guy gets talked about as being super human for playing on an all-star team while they are being pummeled on a weekly basis and have 1 WR to throw to and mediocre defenses. 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Spot on!  Russell and Aaron could be doing exactly what Brady and Mahomes are doing if their front offices put the pieces around them that they need.  It's that simple. 

 

Well, maybe not Aaron... LOL 

 

Nobody has gotten more mileage out of 1 ring than him. that said Brady only had 3 at age 37. But there's that pesky NFC title Game in the way.... 

Edited February 12, 2021 by TheFunPolice

[DrDawkinstein]

4 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Spot on!  Russell and Aaron could be doing exactly what Brady and Mahomes are doing if their front offices put the pieces around them that they need.  It's that simple. 

 

And it's not just that the Front Offices are doing it for them. Brady has DIRECT influence on players being signed (see: Antonio Brown, Rob Gronkowski). He says "Go get my friends" and they bring them in.

 

That is more control than Watson or Wilson or Rodgers have ever asked for.

[TheFunPolice]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

And it's not just that the Front Offices are doing it for them. Brady has DIRECT influence on players being signed (see: Antonio Brown, Rob Gronkowski). He says "Go get my friends" and they bring them in.

 

That is more control than Watson or Wilson or Rodgers have ever asked for.

 

I think Rodgers would settle for another capable WR at this point. 

 

Hard to win a team game when you don't have the horses.