Which AFCE Competitor will draft a QB First?

[RoyBatty is alive]

I could make an argument/present a realistic scenario that each of our AFCE competitors should be drafting a QB early this year.  There is only one Trevor Lawrence but there is a handful with great potential (Fields, Trask, Lance, Wilson) that will be available  after.  Miami and New England also could both be in the D Watson sweepstakes with their draft capital.

 

The Bills imo are the only team in the AFCE with a solid bona fide QB of the future.  I wont be shocked if at year end next season all our AFCE competition have three new starting QBs.

 

 

Miami has a wealth of draft capital.  They pick 3rd in both the 1st and 2nd rounds as well as #18 in each round.   Tua has been, imo, after his fortunate winning start has been underwhelming and the Bills really exposed him.  Will they have Fitz back next year to continue to mentor him and bail him out?    Lets see if they think they have seen enough and will take a cue from the Cardinals a few years ago and draft another QB high.

 

New York Jets.  Yes, Darnold suffered from woeful coaching on a poor team but he is now entering his fourth year.  His QBR rating has slipped every year and his passer rating was his lowest ever last year at a dreadful 72.7.  Jets can pick from all the remaining  QBs assuming Lawrence goes at first.

 

New England.   Does Belichek really want to hope he can find and develop another young QB at his age?    Doubt Stidham is the answer and will Cam be back?  New England doesnt pick until 15.

 

I tried to make a poll but but technical skills failed me.

 

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[freddyjj]

J - E - T- S, Jets, Jets, Jets.  New coach will want his own QB.  Darnold will be a good chip in trade strategies.  They could get extra picks and have a 2018 Bills type draft where they address several pressing need via the draft.  Also helps them better manage cap long term

[May Day 10]

Jets for sure.

 

Im thinking they go with Fields this year.  

 

IMO New England might be more in play to again try to stitch it together with an existing QB like Prescott or Wentz

 

I think Miami doesnt undermine the Tua thing so quickly.

[GunnerBill]

I think at the moment the Jets are more likely to draft one than Miami.

Just now, May Day 10 said:

Jets for sure.

 

Im thinking they go with Fields this year.  

 

IMO New England might be more in play to again try to stitch it together with an existing QB like Prescott or Wentz

 

I think Miami doesnt undermine the Tua thing so quickly.

 

Wilson more likely than Fields at this stage I think.

[Pokebball]

Jets, and I think this will be a win win for both the Jets and Darnold.

 

I'm curious where Miami goes with Tua and what NE does with Newton.

[PrimeTime101]

Jets but NE wont be far behind

[NewEra]

I would draft a QB in qll 3 situations....if there were a QB available that I thought could be a face of the franchise.  If there isn’t, I’d look to package a bunch of picks and (Tua/Darnold) for Watson.  If I couldn’t get either of those done, I’d probably try and trade down with efforts to secure an additional 1st and picks for the 22 draft

[maryland-bills-fan]

14 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

J - E - T- S,   S-U-K  Jets, SUK Jets   ,SUK   Jets. SUK New coach will want his own QB.  Darnold will be a good chip in trade strategies.  They could get extra picks and have a 2018 Bills type draft where they address several pressing need via the draft.  Also helps them better manage cap long term

There.  You left stuff out and I fixed it for you.

[NewEra]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I think at the moment the Jets are more likely to draft one than Miami.

 

Wilson more likely than Fields at this stage I think.

I thought the same thing until I saw fields vs Clemson.  He put on a clinic that game.  I’ve never seen him play so well.  He was dropping dimes.

 

but then he missed a bunch vs bama.  Wilson vs Fields is similar to Baker vs allen in terms of physical traits. 

[Rc2catch]

I don’t think any of them take a quarterback round one. Maybe one of the later guys. 
Miami I would expect to draft weapons and surround Tua with as many playmakers as possible along with a nasty rush game. 
I think the Jets know they’ll be picking high again and I would expect will try to trade down and snag an extra pick for the following year while taking the best blue chip defensive prospects they can get. 
New England I expect to play the free agency game or trade for someone a little more built to win now. Bill is old, I don’t think he can coach much longer and he wants to win now. 
 

[CIrvine]

New England.  I think the Jets trade the second pick.

[Greg S]

The best part about reading this thread is a reminder how the other AFCE teams all need a QB and we don't. "F" the Jets, Pats ,Fins. 6-0 in the division this year was sweet. To answer this thread I will say the Jets take Fields at #2.

[maddenboy]

Miami.  But it wont be  in the first round.

 

Miami needs to have a backup plan, and it would be nice to have 2 young QBs for Fitz to mentor.  Since they cant get rid of Fitz (insurance), but also arent going to play him anytime soon, may as well get max value for their money.

 

NE will trade for one somehow, or will draft one later than MIA.  Because . . . geniuses can find qbs late, and they dont like to admit that they need an  early first-round stud.

 

JEST will either (1) trade Darnold for another current QB (matt ryan, Matt stafford, Garrapolo (Saleh ties) and maybe Deshawn Watson, or (2) keep Darnold on his cheap rookie deal.  If he sucks under new coaching, they will draft a QB soon, but not this year.

Edited January 22, 2021 by maddenboy

[LABILLBACKER]

7 minutes ago, Greg S said:

The best part about reading this thread is a reminder how the other AFCE teams all need a QB and we don't. "F" the Jets, Pats ,Fins. 6-0 in the division this year was sweet. To answer this thread I will say the Jets take Fields at #2.

So true. They will be chasing Josh for a decade. Who knows what happens to Darnold & Tua? Who knows if Fields is another failed qb from Ohio St. Cam is probably done so Bill will try to salvage his last couple seasons in NE by getting a retread? I guess my biggest fear is Watson coming to the AFCE. 

[Greg S]

5 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

So true. They will be chasing Josh for a decade. Who knows what happens to Darnold & Tua? Who knows if Fields is another failed qb from Ohio St. Cam is probably done so Bill will try to salvage his last couple seasons in NE by getting a retread? I guess my biggest fear is Watson coming to the AFCE. 

 

Definitely don't want that to happen. Both the Jets and Fins have what it takes to make that trade. 

[BillsCuse]

-The Jets are a wild card.  Darnold was surrounded by a train wreck, so hard to judge him.  I think they either take a QB at 2 or trade back and build up the team.

-Miami should use all their picks to try to build a team around Tua.  He didn't look great this year, but I think its too early to give up on him - he definitely has talent and can help him with all their picks.

-I dont see The Pats trading up in the top 5 (or the Jets/Phins trading their pick to them)  But could maybe see them trading up to the 7-10 range or so if they like a guy.

-I definitely think the Jets an Phins would trade for Watson in a heartbeat, which is the only scenario that scares me - especially to Miami.   Hopefully Houston gives him the coach he wants and they work things out.

 

Disclaimer - I wanted Rosen over Allen, so I have no clue WTF I am talking about, lol

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, Pokebball said:

Jets, and I think this will be a win win for both the Jets and Darnold.

 

I'm curious where Miami goes with Tua and what NE does with Newton.

Newton is gone from New England, I suspect they pursue Jimmy G or Brissett and maybe draft a guy like Mac Jones in round 2 too. 

Edited January 22, 2021 by The Jokeman

[Greg S]

1 minute ago, BillsCuse said:

-The Jets are a wild card.  Darnold was surrounded by a train wreck, so hard to judge him.  I think they either take a QB at 2 or trade back and build up the team.

-Miami should use all their picks to try to build a team around Tua.  He didn't look great this year, but I think its too early to give up on him - he definitely has talent and can help him with all their picks.

-I dont see The Pats trading up in the top 5 (or the Jets/Phins trading their pick to them)  But could maybe see them trading up to the 7-10 range or so if they like a guy.

-I definitely think the Jets an Phins would trade for Watson in a heartbeat, which is the only scenario that scares me - especially to Miami.   Hopefully Houston gives him the coach he wants and they work things out.

 

Disclaimer - I wanted Rosen over Allen, so I have no clue WTF I am talking about, lol

 

I wanted Darnold over Allen so I also have no clue. Thankfully we have a GM who knows what he is doing. 

[njbuff]

If none of them give up the farm for Watson, then no matter what any of these teams do.................

 

they all will still be light years behind the Bills at professional sports most important position.

[TUBSTER]

Probably the Jets.  I could see Darnold getting traded to the Bears or the Eagles possibly.  If I was Miami I would try to make a deal with Houston; Tua and picks for Watson preferably.  

[Greg S]

4 minutes ago, TUBSTER said:

Probably the Jets.  I could see Darnold getting traded to the Bears or the Eagles possibly.  If I was Miami I would try to make a deal with Houston; Tua and picks for Watson preferably.  

 

I would add the Colts and Steelers into the mix(Darnold) as well with Rivers retiring and Ben nearing the end of his career. 

[TUBSTER]

3 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

I would add the Colts and Steelers into the mix(Darnold) as well with Rivers retiring and Ben nearing the end of his career. 

I agree.  Colts would make more sense, for Darnold's sake, because they can hide his inefficiencies behind a great rushing attack.  That could be a Ryan Tannehill situation, to a lesser degree, where a QB escapes bad coaching and ends up in a good situation for his style of play.   

[RoyBatty is alive]

18 minutes ago, maddenboy said:

Miami.  But it wont be  in the first round.

 

Miami needs to have a backup plan, and it would be nice to have 2 young QBs for Fitz to mentor.  Since they cant get rid of Fitz (insurance), but also arent going to play him anytime soon, may as well get max value for their money.

 

NE will trade for one somehow, or will draft one later than MIA.  Because . . . geniuses can find qbs late, and they dont like to admit that they need an  early first-round stud.

 

JEST will either (1) trade Darnold for another current QB (matt ryan, Matt stafford, Garrapolo (Saleh ties) and maybe Deshawn Watson, or (2) keep Darnold on his cheap rookie deal.  If he sucks under new coaching, they will draft a QB soon, but not this year.

 

LOl, yep Belichek and his ego is a real wild card.  I think their QB situation is the worst in the AFCE unless he has been hiding Stidham which i doubt.    Patriots almost have to draft one or trade for one, i cant imagine they go Newton and Stidham again.    I could see Belichek going for an accurate pocket passer that isn't a "project", he is running out of time.  Mac Jones, maybe with Belichek's  genius,  he can sneak him in rd 2....an accurate stable pocket passer, highly accurate and proven winner go to go.  

[mjt328]

This offseason has the potential to have LOTS of quarterback moves.  So it's really hard to answer that question until Free Agency has finished.

 

First you have the aging vets finishing up their careers:

-  Phillip Rivers has officially retired

-  Drew Brees hasn't announced, but all the rumors say he's done

-  Ben Roethlisberger hasn't given an indication either, but he definitely needs to

 

Then you have the vets nearing the ends of their current contracts:

-  Dak Prescott, Mitch Trubisky and Cam Newton are all free agents in 2021

-  Jimmy Garoppolo, Derek Carr and Teddy Bridgewater could be easily cut in the offseason with very little dead-cap

 

Then you have the guys forcing the way out with their current teams:

-  The Texans are a mess and Deshaun Watson is likely to formally request a trade 

-  It's hard to imagine Carson Wentz coming back to Philly, regardless of his contract

 

That's not even getting into the trade rumors surrounding Matthew Stafford and Matt Ryan.  Or the fact that Tom Brady and Alex Smith are still old, and their teams could be looking for a QB of the future.  Or the bizarre situation involving Tua Tagovailoa, and whether the Dolphins actually want him to be their guy.

 

My count is that New England, New York, Indianapolis and Jacksonville will absolutely be in the market for a new QB this offseason.  Pittsburgh, Houston, Washington, Chicago and New Orleans are almost certain to join that list.  Depending on how things shake out, it's possible that Miami, Las Vegas, Dallas, Detroit, Atlanta and San Francisco could be as well.  That comes to 15 teams (almost half of the league!!!!) with questionable situations at the most important position.

 

 

 

[947]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Trey Lance end up going to the Jets at #2. He's gonna jump up draft up boards as a "sexy pick" after the workouts & inevitable comparisons to Josh Allen, being from the MWC. I think Josh's success story will lead to a trend of teams reaching, going for the next diamond in the rough.

[Pitch left]

I think the Fitz situation is interesting. He's a FA and it certainly looked like he had the rug pulled out from underneath him. Flores said he was a Company guy helping TUA  but I would think most wouldn't have been happy getting pulled when you're playing well and get called on to clean up the kids messes later on. I would think he'd still like to be the #1 - would NE or Indy in the AFC be his better fit as a transition guy ? Fitz doesn't really have a track record of staying anywhere. If he leaves does Miami really want to hang everything on TUA ? It would be hard to draft a QB and keep TUA without it being a cluster. NE could try Fitz and draft a project QB - they really have no one on the current roster. Indy has a lot of pieces in place and a great coach

 

The JETS ? I think the prefer to stay with the ghost of Nameth 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Pretty sure Jets will stick with Darnold and use the draft to add weapons like the Bills did.

Miami will not draft a QB.  I could see them trading Tua for Watson but not drafting another QB.

New England will find another veteran for next year.  I suspect it will be Matt Ryan.

 

That leaves Buffalo.

Depending on how free agency goes, they could only have a few holes to fill - Edge, DT, OLB, C and TE.  I would not rule out them taking another QB next year to compete for the back-up role if someone falls or they trade down.  

 

[Greg S]

10 minutes ago, Pitch left said:

I think the Fitz situation is interesting. He's a FA and it certainly looked like he had the rug pulled out from underneath him. Flores said he was a Company guy helping TUA  but I would think most wouldn't have been happy getting pulled when you're playing well and get called on to clean up the kids messes later on. I would think he'd still like to be the #1 - would NE or Indy in the AFC be his better fit as a transition guy ? Fitz doesn't really have a track record of staying anywhere. If he leaves does Miami really want to hang everything on TUA ? It would be hard to draft a QB and keep TUA without it being a cluster. NE could try Fitz and draft a project QB - they really have no one on the current roster. Indy has a lot of pieces in place and a great coach

 

The JETS ? I think the prefer to stay with the ghost of Nameth 

 

I wouldn't mind having Fitz on the Bills as a backup next season. He might be interested in coming back to Buffalo. He loved it here and he would have a chance to be on a playoff team that can win a Super Bowl. From the Bills side of things he would be a solid backup/insurance policy if Allen got hurt and had to miss some time. 

[RoyBatty is alive]

21 minutes ago, 947 said:

I wouldn't be surprised to see Trey Lance end up going to the Jets at #2. He's gonna jump up draft up boards as a "sexy pick" after the workouts & inevitable comparisons to Josh Allen, being from the MWC. I think Josh's success story will lead to a trend o.f teams reaching, going for the next diamond in the rough

 

Yep but assuming they have done their work Josh has two attributes a lot (eg Rosen) dont.  Native intelligence and intense desire to lead & improve.   IMO had Josh not had those attributes, he would have remained the same inaccurate QB so many experts were laughing at. n I have no idea about Trey Lance's desire and/our intelligence.  

[Nextmanup]

Miami is not drafting a QB.  They feel like they have their guy in Tua and they are going to invest in him for a few years, unless something weird happens and they end up with Watson from Houston.

 

I think the Jets ultimately will move on from Darnold, but not immediately.

 

New England should draft a QB next.  They may well try to get a hold of a veteran as  short term solution, but they need to draft the next one.  

 

How NE rebounds from their current situation is one of the more interesting stories in the league IMO.

 

 

[frostbitmic]

QB musical chairs ...

 

Jests - Draft Fields

patriots - Trade for Matt Ryan

Colts - Despite dead cap, Eagles cut Wentz and Colts sign him

Falcons - Trade for Watson

Texans - Trade for Darnold and bring in Gase as OC.

Dolphins - Stick with Tua and Fitz

Lions - Draft Wilson

[RoyBatty is alive]

2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Miami is not drafting a QB.  They feel like they have their guy in Tua and they are going to invest in him for a few years, unless something weird happens and they end up with Watson from Houston.

 

I think the Jets ultimately will move on from Darnold, but not immediately.

 

New England should draft a QB next.  They may well try to get a hold of a veteran as  short term solution, but they need to draft the next one.  

 

How NE rebounds from their current situation is one of the more interesting stories in the league IMO.

 

 

 

 

I agree with all you wrote except to definitely write Miami is not drafting a QB absent something weird is too strong.  If I were the GM or HC, I would lobby for a QB early in the draft....hey have so much draft capital they miss on second pick in #1 round or either in their 2nd rounders, will that really matter that much?  

[DCOrange]

I would guess the Patriots are the most likely of the 3 to draft a QB. Sounds like the Jets plan to move forward with Darnold. I'm not really sure what Miami will do; I wouldn't be surprised if they took a QB but at the moment I would guess they do not.

[Cruiserplayer]

1 hour ago, frostbitmic said:

QB musical chairs ...

 

Jests - Draft Fields

patriots - Trade for Matt Ryan

Colts - Despite dead cap, Eagles cut Wentz and Colts sign him

Falcons - Trade for Watson

Texans - Trade for Darnold and bring in Gase as OC.

Dolphins - Stick with Tua and Fitz

Lions - Draft Wilson

If I was Darnold I would retire at this point

Edited January 22, 2021 by Cruiserplayer

[Strethor]

Patriots will draft one first 

[ganesh]

The Jets...have a new HC..he will want his hand picked QB...They will be going after a QB in that 1st round

[Punching Bag]

8 hours ago, frostbitmic said:

QB musical chairs ...

 

Jests - Draft Fields

patriots - Trade for Matt Ryan

Colts - Despite dead cap, Eagles cut Wentz and Colts sign him

Falcons - Trade for Watson

Texans - Trade for Darnold and bring in Gase as OC.

Dolphins - Stick with Tua and Fitz

Lions - Draft Wilson

 

Are you trying to get Darnold to commit suicide?

[GunnerBill]

11 hours ago, DCOrange said:

I would guess the Patriots are the most likely of the 3 to draft a QB. Sounds like the Jets plan to move forward with Darnold. I'm not really sure what Miami will do; I wouldn't be surprised if they took a QB but at the moment I would guess they do not.

 

Agree on Miami but I think the Jets will end up taking one. I think this is a decent class at Quarterback and it lacks too many other "can't miss" type players at other positions. I think as the process goes on they end up deciding it is by far the best way to use a top 10 pick in this draft.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I must say I'm a little pissed off with all the talk of the Jets or Dolphins landing Watson. We've put in the work for a QB and the Texans might hand our division rival a franchise QB? 

 

 

[TBBills]

Probably the Jets b.c Miami is fooled by That. New England who knows what Bill does but it probably won't work out like most his drafts.

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I must say I'm a little pissed off with all the talk of the Jets or Dolphins landing Watson. We've put in the work for a QB and the Texans might hand our division rival a franchise QB? 

 

 

Not really worried about Watson...